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I never even considered the split port Taurus injectors.... Very interesting..
Didn't I ask if there were taurus split port injectors? :shrug: :laugh:
I never even considered the split port Taurus injectors.... Very interesting..
Didn't I ask if there were taurus split port injectors? :shrug: :laugh:
If you don't know what you're doing, do NOT attempt to custom tune your car, or at least maybe take an Internal Combustion Engine theory class at your school. In addition, you'll need the software to program with the Xcal.
you need the Xcal and then you need the PC program to change the tune and upload it to the Xcal. from there you use the Xcal to replace the tune on the PCM.Yeah it's ok...I am a junior in the Automotive Engineering and Technology program here at Ferris. I am not saying I know everything but I know the teachers that know everything so they will help me out. So buying the Xcal or the Livewire Handheld system would work?
Good info guys.
Yes, I was getting a tune that's why I asked.
I am unsure if my 17# injectors are EV1. Something is different and "top feed/bottom feed" comes to mind, but I am not sure what that changes in my application.
I will do a really good documented swap for the other '95 3L owners that retain the OBD1 system.
This is what I am thinking will happen:
-fuel injector clip won't fit
-splicing 19# or 22# or 24# injector harness will have to happen
-intake spacer will be needed because the injector splicing will take up too much room
After everything is swapped I expect the car to really run like crud until it is tuned. I have a 4 selection SCT Eliminator chip and can get 3 tunes "mail order" for $175.
I have a wideband O2 sensor now so I can atleast give some feedback on AFR to get the tunes correct. So basically, if I stick with the E0 injectors and harness, I only have to front $175 for my tunes and I am done. If I get the 22#-24# I will have added cost of approx $100-$150 and might not have good results with the tuning.
Also, because of the ported setup, does it really matter whether the injectors are split port or oval port?
But there are ported engines setups with oval injectors and others with SVT injectors. So which is better?
a ported 3L used the stock lim, therefore the split port injectors should be used. using the oval port injectors in the split port would most likely cause fuel to run down the lim walls because of the wide spray angle/difference in location.
The only real valid choices would be either the svt's injectors or the early taurus ones.
Then why are people even discussing using the 24lb injectors? The only real valid choices would be either the svt's injectors or the early taurus ones.
this is where i agree with you. if he is going to get a mail order tune, from say NPG, then just stick with the 19s since it has been done so many times. yes, your pushing the limits of them but it seems to be easier to get the car running right with them on a mail order tune. If he is going to get a dyno tune some place then go with the 24s as they will be able to better see whats going on with the car since its in front of them.
here is some more info I found.
according to these 2 sites
http://www.fuelinjector.citymaker.com/FORD_PASSENGER_CAR_FUEL_INJECTORS.html
http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tableifc.htm
from the first site, the 98 SVTC uses a Bosch 0-280-155-710 fuel injector. looking that part number up on the second site reveals its only rated at 18.25lbs/hr flow at 43.5PSI. with a BSFC of .52 at 95% duty cycle, each one is good for ~33.3 HP, times 6 gets you to 199.8HP.
the 96-98 duratec Taurus uses a Bosch 0-280-155-715 injector. they are rated at 22.45lbs/hr at 43.5PSI. with the same .52 BSFC and 95% duty cycle, each one is good for about 41HP, times 6 is 246HP.
while i cant seem to verify the injectors used in the later oval port 3Ls, i suspect they are Bosch 0-280-158-075 which are rated at 24lbs/hr at 43.5PSI. these are good for about 43.8HP, times 6 is 262.8.
Also, apparantely the 98 SEs are listed as having Bosch 0-280-155-725 injectors. those are listed as ALSO being rated at 18.25lbs/hr at 43.5PSI :shrug:
obviously, depending on your exact BSFC depends on how much HP you can get out of each injector at a given flow rate. a more effecient engine with a lower BSFC will be able to make more power on each injector.
if you can find 24# injectors with a zero spray angle, if using in a split port LIM then they can be used ... I have no idea if they even exist.
How can you recommend him to find a part or even talk about a part that to you doesn't even know exists :help:
I have an entire 98 SVT motor in my 95, so by default I have the 98 LIM. Aside from numerous other minor changes (like making the LIM Vacuum Operated) I made the stock wiring and stock fuel system hook up to SVT injectors and fuel rail etc.
So....my experience that's relevant to this discussion is that you can certainly plug the 95 connectors onto later model injectors by turning them around. They still fit neatly into the bracket.