I have heard mixed reviews about DSS. Were they properly quenched? I feel like they might have cut some corners. I saw they are the only ones that make axles for us but I personally didn't even consider it an option. I would custom make them myself before I bought from DSS. Especially for how much they want for them.
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Fastest Contour/Cougar
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The Digital Slacker
Hard-core CEG'er
I may not have a total understanding of drag racing optimization but I would think that all that would be needed is just a little bit of trial and error. For the turbo cars find out the max psi you can run per gear to keep a bit of traction then get a multi-stage or gear-dependent boost controller.
I'm willing to bet thats much easier said then done but that would be the most logical patch. 1st gear 1 psi, 2nd gear 3 psi, 3rd gear 6 psi ... etc. Or find a way to do RPM + gear based boost control. I bet there are some hardware hackers out there that could get it going.
I'm willing to bet thats much easier said then done but that would be the most logical patch. 1st gear 1 psi, 2nd gear 3 psi, 3rd gear 6 psi ... etc. Or find a way to do RPM + gear based boost control. I bet there are some hardware hackers out there that could get it going.
biminiLX
Hard-core CEG'er
Lots of options for that, I use an AMS500 boost controller, allows me to set a certain boost limit off a 2-step launch rev limiter and themn when the clutch comes out for launch it goes to timed ramp-in for total boost. This is adjustable and you can have to boost come in fully once you have traction.
12s are possible if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, I personally don't want to do that withmy car, DD and I want to maximize the handling.
-J
12s are possible if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, I personally don't want to do that withmy car, DD and I want to maximize the handling.
-J
contourspd98
Veteran CEG'er
Faster times than 13s is possible... But someone will have to get with Goumba and set up their car for AWD. 3L at 10psi would easily break past 13s if it was AWD.
bhiggs89
Veteran CEG'er
The AWD is very weak, so you would have to spend even more money upgrading all of those components.
elraido
I kant speel
It is still a matter of getting a decent 60' launch. These cars just can't do it with what we have. With no turbo, my axle snapped like a twig under a moderate launch....i.e. under 3K with slipping of the clutch.
95_Mystique
Hard-core CEG'er
i have yet to snap anything on mine launching at 5K, but then again i make a little less power with the 2.0 Zetec 5 speed. Best 60' time was a 2.503...
99cougar
CEG'er
I have broken stock axles. BUT... I have also ran stock axles with a 125 shot on my 2.5L with drag radials. Yes I'm sure they will break eventually but it's not like they break every single time I run down the track.
striker2
Official CEG Vendor
I wonder how many pre98 axles have been broken. I know the stock diff was stronger but even with the turbo I never had a problem dumping the clutch at about 3-4K RPM on the stock pre98 axles.
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
This thread is hilarious.
I'm going to sum things up here for those that have trouble with reading comprehension.
1. Fastest known contour is presently low 13's regardless of power.
2. Not many people (if anyone) have made a serious dedicated and knowledgable effort to go faster.
3. Power levels have not been the limiting factor so far. A number of cars have been built that have enough power to easily run 12's.
4. One main limiting factor has been driveline durability. Broken axles, stock and upgraded aftermarket, and broken stock diffs (both torsen and quiafe have proven solid though) prevent hard launching of these cars.
5. When parts don't break, tires just spin or hop. In order to be really fast on a dragstrip, a contour will need some custom suspension work, both in geometry and in strut/spring tuning, and it will need to be done by someone that knows what they are doing.
Without solutions for #4 and especially #5, it will take massive amounts of power to make a contour even a little bit quicker in the 1/4. You would run ridiculous trap speeds, but ETs won't improve nearly as much.
To the OP, if you are even still reading this thread, I know its hard to believe but most of the folks in this thread are trying to help you avoid wasting money on things that won't actually make the car any quicker . . . and to avoid some pitfalls that the folks on this board have already learned. But, you've been too arrogant to even acknowledge it, and continued to blindly go down the wrong road, at least according to what you've said, because its just as likely that the things you've said are complete BS anyway.
I'm going to sum things up here for those that have trouble with reading comprehension.
1. Fastest known contour is presently low 13's regardless of power.
2. Not many people (if anyone) have made a serious dedicated and knowledgable effort to go faster.
3. Power levels have not been the limiting factor so far. A number of cars have been built that have enough power to easily run 12's.
4. One main limiting factor has been driveline durability. Broken axles, stock and upgraded aftermarket, and broken stock diffs (both torsen and quiafe have proven solid though) prevent hard launching of these cars.
5. When parts don't break, tires just spin or hop. In order to be really fast on a dragstrip, a contour will need some custom suspension work, both in geometry and in strut/spring tuning, and it will need to be done by someone that knows what they are doing.
Without solutions for #4 and especially #5, it will take massive amounts of power to make a contour even a little bit quicker in the 1/4. You would run ridiculous trap speeds, but ETs won't improve nearly as much.
To the OP, if you are even still reading this thread, I know its hard to believe but most of the folks in this thread are trying to help you avoid wasting money on things that won't actually make the car any quicker . . . and to avoid some pitfalls that the folks on this board have already learned. But, you've been too arrogant to even acknowledge it, and continued to blindly go down the wrong road, at least according to what you've said, because its just as likely that the things you've said are complete BS anyway.
I also don't spend much time working on this car at all.
It was already welded to a bend I wanted to use, I figured I would just leave it in. It did make mocking it up a lot easier too, I did it all on the ground. We have a two post lift now though. Ill probably cut it out when I redo/remake the y pipe in the spring.
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
Nice to see you picked the most irrelevant parts of my post to respond to, and ignored any of the actual technical content. WTG.
I read that whole post, and I would have quoted it with the picture of that guy beating the dead horse it was a smiley here. Everything you said has been said over and over. How many times have I asked for help here? I didn't ask for anyones help or opinions. I asked a question and before I had typed 3 sentences this thread was a 22 page flame fest.
I was agreeing with you on your second point. But I am sorry if you calling my whole build BS gets a little under my skin.
actually, i take it back. I didnt realize you were using the flat flanges on the headers and not ball/socket. the flex pipe will def make assembly easier.
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
Which is why I said I was summarizing the thread . . . Your posts about going faster by just making more power imply you're missing some very important points about why there hasn't been anyone in the 12s yet. You don't seem to grasp the fact that people here WANT to see someone go faster than 13s, and WANT to help you succeed at it, but you've just been an arrogant smartass about the whole thing so far. We've seen lots of arrogant smartasses come make big claims in the past, and here we are still with nobody faster than low 13s . . . you'll excuse me for thinking it might be possible that your build is all BS then. Plus, you claimed back in March that you were 90% done with the build, and today all you can post are a couple pics of a crossover for a turbo? You've made no indication of anything you are doing to address items #4 and #5 on my list at all, aside from some chrome-moly axle shafts, which doesn't even address the weakest part of #4.
I don't really feel a need to put all my pictures up. I have 120 pictures of my build so far. If you cared to take a look around you would find I have posted a lot of pictures. Kind of like how you said my build doesn't exist.....just because I haven't shared my plans for my chassis/suspension work, they obviously don't exist right?
PS: I have only owned the car for one year exactly today.
*edit* I asked a mod to delete this thread after my second or third post. It should have been done, I knew this would ensure.
PS: I have only owned the car for one year exactly today.
*edit* I asked a mod to delete this thread after my second or third post. It should have been done, I knew this would ensure.
And before you say "Oh wow a split case thats all you have to show" this picture is from March....
Can someone seriously please delete this thread?
