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if traction is a problem i would look into a set of mt et streets...it should hook good with no wheel hop. I think that with a good clutch and polyurthane mounts these cars should hook pretty good and not break too many parts.
 
kidbanga10 said:
if traction is a problem i would look into a set of mt et streets...it should hook good with no wheel hop. I think that with a good clutch and polyurthane mounts these cars should hook pretty good and not break too many parts.
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I hear you and have already mentioned the bias-ply tires should help but I don't feel like breaking my DD.
Try it out and let us know :help:
-J
 
kidbanga10 said:
if traction is a problem i would look into a set of mt et streets...it should hook good with no wheel hop. I think that with a good clutch and polyurthane mounts these cars should hook pretty good and not break too many parts.
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Tell that to the axles. It isn't the tires getting traction that is the problem. It is either A.) You are going to make your stock differential explode or B.) if you have a LSD then your axles are going to snap/strip out the splines. Plain and simple. You can go out and spend over $800 for a set of axles that MIGHT work for our car.
 
kidbanga10 said:
if traction is a problem i would look into a set of mt et streets...
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ET Streets are good tires but clearly not the best out there. I used to use them on my Bird, but the last time they wore out I opted for a set of Hoosier QTP's. They hook better, and the weight difference between them and the MT's was 10 lbs. per tire. Doesn't seem like a lot, but it is when you start thinking about rotational mass.
 
I sure hope nobody tried really hard to get some decent times out of turbo setups. My friend built a custom turbo kit for his 2.2L Cavalier, went to the track with a half assed tune and went 11.5 @ 123mph on his very first run... :shrug:

Granted he's spent a good amount of money on the car and ended the season with grenaded differential but still...

Hope someone will truly push the envelop of that platform so we stop thinking low 13s is fast for 400+ whp cars :nonono:

Edit: Agreed the Hoosier QTP are awesome tires ! They would also probably save the axles because their sidewall can flex as opposed to a drag radial.
 
Avenger said:
I sure hope nobody tried really hard to get some decent times out of turbo setups. My friend built a custom turbo kit for his 2.2L Cavalier, went to the track with a half assed tune and went 11.5 @ 123mph on his very first run... :shrug:

Granted he's spent a good amount of money on the car and ended the season with grenaded differential but still...

Hope someone will truly push the envelop of that platform so we stop thinking low 13s is fast for 400+ whp cars :nonono:

Edit: Agreed the Hoosier QTP are awesome tires ! They would also probably save the axles because their sidewall can flex as opposed to a drag radial.
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Like people have said, its not that there arent plenty of Contours with enough power to run 12s or even 11s. the problem is that this chassis has major problems putting power to the ground so anything over about 250-300WHP just spins the tires, or if you have good sticky tires then you break the diff if you havent upgraded it or the axles if you have.
 
I know, I know.... Guess I just don't understand why that platform is so bad to get power to the ground. :shrug:

Someone ought to replace all the rubber bushings by urethane, get a set of custom axles, slap a set of sticky tires and dump the freakin' clutch, a twin disk if need be ! :laugh:

Even with a not so impressive 1.80 60ft, a 400whp car should go DEEP into the 12s if not high 11s. We're not talking about unbelievable traction to achieve 1.80, are we ?
 
Avenger said:
I know, I know.... Guess I just don't understand why that platform is so bad to get power to the ground. :shrug:

Someone ought to replace all the rubber bushings by urethane, get a set of custom axles, slap a set of sticky tires and dump the freakin' clutch, a twin disk if need be ! :laugh:

Even with a not so impressive 1.80 60ft, a 400whp car should go DEEP into the 12s if not high 11s. We're not talking about unbelievable traction to achieve 1.80, are we ?
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even those with the tubular control arms have problems. custom axles wont help because the diameter of the axle that enters both the trans and the hub cant be changed, and those are the weak points of our axles. Personally, I think its more reasonable to try in a Zetec, since it doesnt have the low end torque that the V6 has and as such doesnt have traction issues (I could dump the clutch at about 3-4K on my turbo Zetec and it would just hook and start going before the boost really kicked in).
 
OOOOOR Go ALL OUT on a 3L build. meaning squeeze as much power as u can from a 3L. all forged internals, cams, turbo, high boost, tune, exhausts, LSD, built tranny... i mean THE WORKS!!! i figure since traction is an issue, how about we forget about trying to get traction, and hope the immense power & torque the car has will get it into better numbers when u finally get rolling? stoopid idea:shrug:?
 
Avenger said:
I know, I know.... Guess I just don't understand why that platform is so bad to get power to the ground. :shrug:

Someone ought to replace all the rubber bushings by urethane, get a set of custom axles, slap a set of sticky tires and dump the freakin' clutch, a twin disk if need be ! :laugh:

Even with a not so impressive 1.80 60ft, a 400whp car should go DEEP into the 12s if not high 11s. We're not talking about unbelievable traction to achieve 1.80, are we ?
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I hear you and I agree.

It really has much more to do with the driver.
Very few dedicated efforts here by people who know their way around a dragstrip. The few I've seen haven't had terrible results, but few real efforts.
I can guarantee I can get a Turbo 3L into the 12s and bet you could too.
-J
 
This thread is why my csvt will be my DD and I will stick with Mitsubishi for the track star. First gen eclipse with $1500 or less in mods can get into 12s. But the csvt is pretty sexy and fun to drive, but you wont see me taking it to the track ever.
 
There was this kid that i go to school with that insisted that he watched a turbo contour running 20some pounds of boost was running 9's at closed down airport 2 weeks ago here in PA. i couldnt help but laugh at him.
 
BAD SVT said:
and hope the immense power & torque the car has will get it into better numbers when u finally get rolling?
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Only problem with that is, immense power usually means traction problems even from a roll. I can attest to that after riding in my buddy's turbo S2K last night...and having it break traction easily in 3rd gear.

Is there no way to build up a good auto tranny for these cars? I've seen a good bit of Cobra's swap to auto's to keep from breaking halfshafts in the IRS. The auto uses up a little more power in drivetrain loss, but it soaks up a lot of the drivetrain shock that causes breaking issues...?
 
2000ZxT said:
Contours can't break 13s man. Ev44rrrrr.
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I still want to disagree with this. I belive that one day a Contour will break into the 12's, its just a matter of someone dedicating themselves to do it...





Maybe a post Tempo build. 12 second Zetec Turbo.... LMFAO (i think my girlfriend would kill me if i built another car)
 
striker2 said:
even those with the tubular control arms have problems. custom axles wont help because the diameter of the axle that enters both the trans and the hub cant be changed, and those are the weak points of our axles.
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So your saying tensile strength of the stock axles is going to be the same as custom chromoly axles?
 
2000ZxT said:
So your saying tensile strength of the stock axles is going to be the same as custom chromoly axles?
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Im not saying the stock axles will be strong as chromoly axles. consider though that there have been people who have broken DSS stage 2 axles which are made from 4340.
 
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