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Bellhousing Adapter Coming Very Soon
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striker2
Official CEG Vendor
the Noble still has a transverse engine. IMO, if he is able to do the fab work to get the engine and trans mounted then fabing an oil pan and pick-up tube is cake.
cobrawannabe
Addicted CEG'er
Versus destroying the car's structural soundness? I'll take the blown engine, thank you.
Dammit Dan why do you have to come in here and one up me like that
800 to the tires in a Focus? I somehow see that as being a "handful" to drive :laugh: I can believe a properly built 2.0L making that kind of power though... look at what they do with the Mitsubishi 4G63 as far as power goes
Shannon
striker2
Official CEG Vendor
:laugh: handful doesnt even cover it. thankfully it only has to go in a straight line 1/4 mile at a time.
yeah, the Mitsu engines are pretty damn tough and can make a lot of power. I know of a couple 6G72 engines that are making well over 1000AWHP. :crazy:
yeah, the Mitsu engines are pretty damn tough and can make a lot of power. I know of a couple 6G72 engines that are making well over 1000AWHP. :crazy:
:laugh: handful doesnt even cover it. thankfully it only has to go in a straight line 1/4 mile at a time.
What fun is that only driving it in a straight line a 1/4 mile at a time? I drive my 700 hp car everywhere and all the time :laugh:
Well okay I fibbed on myself there... tonight was the first time I've started it up in about three weeks
Shannon
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
LMAO, I missed this thread before, the retarded bickering about driveline losses and Duratec vs. 5.0L is ridiculous.
To the OP, I am very glad to hear about this bellhousing adaptor, it may mean we'll actually see someone complete a RWD contour/cougar project. Don't be discouraged by the silliness here in this thread, and keep us posted on both the bellhousing adaptor, and your project as well.
To the OP, I am very glad to hear about this bellhousing adaptor, it may mean we'll actually see someone complete a RWD contour/cougar project. Don't be discouraged by the silliness here in this thread, and keep us posted on both the bellhousing adaptor, and your project as well.
Stylin55_oh
CEG'er
i can't believe no one thought about using this custom bellhousing to put a duratec turbo 3.0L in a different vehicle. Sure the wiring would be a pain but if you brought the ecu it shouldn't be that bad. you would surprise a lot of people with a 3.0L turbo duratec v6 mustang.
not saying i would do that, just saying its interesting.
heck according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg-Warner_T-5_transmission you could make a 3.0L duratec turbo astro!
not saying i would do that, just saying its interesting.
heck according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg-Warner_T-5_transmission you could make a 3.0L duratec turbo astro!
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
Yep. it opens the door to using the Duratec V6 in a lot of project cars.
And in regards to the pan discussions, the center sump version of the pan and pickup, like the escape pan, is pretty symmetrical, and should be a reasonable option for any mounting orientation (ok maybe not inverted...)
DanMyers
Hard-core CEG'er
Sounds sweet, to the OP: DOOOO IT!
I've always loved the Duratec and would love to see it in any number of RWD applications, all aluminum FTW. Plus with how short it is, should be really easy to shove farther back in a quest for 50/50 weight distribution.
Also, to "newb" I'd rather have a 185 WHP Contour that's rear drive than a 400 WHP front drive, these cars are mostly loved for their handling and driver satisfaction, both of which can only get better with RWD.
Although it is still gonna be nose heavy, but with the ability to steer with the rear wheels, who cares?
I've always loved the Duratec and would love to see it in any number of RWD applications, all aluminum FTW. Plus with how short it is, should be really easy to shove farther back in a quest for 50/50 weight distribution.
Also, to "newb" I'd rather have a 185 WHP Contour that's rear drive than a 400 WHP front drive, these cars are mostly loved for their handling and driver satisfaction, both of which can only get better with RWD.
Although it is still gonna be nose heavy, but with the ability to steer with the rear wheels, who cares?
tsSVT
CEG'er
I personally would love to see a RWD Contour and this will definitely make that more of a possibility, but I think everyone is loosing sight of the fact that this is not focused on giving people with Contours/Cougars/Mystiques a quick and easy way to do RWD conversions. In all likelihood this is intended to provide the ability to use a Duratec V6 in a purpose built race car. Most likely of tube chassis design.
More power to whomever wants to build a RWD street driven Contour, but beyond the minor issue of the oil pan, think about where are you going to source rear drivetrain and suspension? How about the gas tank? Obvious solution for that is X-type tank like with Goumba's project, but there is no way that you could use the X-type rear suspension. Custom drive shaft not that big of a deal. The biggest things that seems to be being overlooked, beyond the issues with wiring, is where is that trans going to fit? How are you going to get the motor far enough back and low enough to clear the hood and not be dragging the ground?
That isn't even touching on how badly this will distort the handling balance of the car. The factory sway bars wouldn't work. The spring rates would have to be custom along with strut valving. The only way this would be feasible in a Contour is if it was a dedicated track machine where all of these components are already being modified.
I don't mean to rant, and as I said I would love to see this in a Contour, but I'm just trying to be realistic.
Oh, and the argument about the 5.0 swap and the associated drivetrain loss... Disagreements like that are why people stop coming to this site and why so much good info gets covered up by all of the crap. If you want to have a discussion about what motor to swap in, take it to PM's, especially as it was a completely unrelated topic. The OP was kind enough to share a part that has the potential to be used in many cool projects. The continued bickering took a thread that should have been two or three pages of informed conversation about the potential benefits and issues associated with this product, to a six page pissing contest of mostly unrelated info, and deterred who knows how many people from following the progress of this thread.
More power to whomever wants to build a RWD street driven Contour, but beyond the minor issue of the oil pan, think about where are you going to source rear drivetrain and suspension? How about the gas tank? Obvious solution for that is X-type tank like with Goumba's project, but there is no way that you could use the X-type rear suspension. Custom drive shaft not that big of a deal. The biggest things that seems to be being overlooked, beyond the issues with wiring, is where is that trans going to fit? How are you going to get the motor far enough back and low enough to clear the hood and not be dragging the ground?
That isn't even touching on how badly this will distort the handling balance of the car. The factory sway bars wouldn't work. The spring rates would have to be custom along with strut valving. The only way this would be feasible in a Contour is if it was a dedicated track machine where all of these components are already being modified.
I don't mean to rant, and as I said I would love to see this in a Contour, but I'm just trying to be realistic.
Oh, and the argument about the 5.0 swap and the associated drivetrain loss... Disagreements like that are why people stop coming to this site and why so much good info gets covered up by all of the crap. If you want to have a discussion about what motor to swap in, take it to PM's, especially as it was a completely unrelated topic. The OP was kind enough to share a part that has the potential to be used in many cool projects. The continued bickering took a thread that should have been two or three pages of informed conversation about the potential benefits and issues associated with this product, to a six page pissing contest of mostly unrelated info, and deterred who knows how many people from following the progress of this thread.
Well since I don't visit this forum very much(NECO member) I'm glad to see this topic got people thinking and talking. First I wanna say to NEWB if you wanna talk about swapping a 5.0 in anything that is not something that is really that special, those types of swaps are done alot in many different applications so you "WOW" factor goes down a bunch. Now talking about a RWD/AWD Contour/Cougar thats a F'n wow factor to anyone that knows anything about this type of car.
And tsSVT good information and from what I understand this company builds these more for or less for Kit cars but there are many things going into consideration before anything happens with this project. And at this point it seems like a much better platform for at least AWD would be the Zetec platform as the Escapes did offer a AWD 5 speed which in terms of parts would be easier to come by. But if nothing else slowly more weapons are being added to the arsenal for the duratec platform!!!!!!!
And tsSVT good information and from what I understand this company builds these more for or less for Kit cars but there are many things going into consideration before anything happens with this project. And at this point it seems like a much better platform for at least AWD would be the Zetec platform as the Escapes did offer a AWD 5 speed which in terms of parts would be easier to come by. But if nothing else slowly more weapons are being added to the arsenal for the duratec platform!!!!!!!
crewchiefpro
Hard-core CEG'er
morbid
Hard-core CEG'er
I hope whoever buys Goumba's car will make a jig for the rear subframe/suspension. It would need to be modified to run a cobra rear though... the jag one would be pretty pointless.
crewchiefpro
Hard-core CEG'er
I thought it was designed to run the Mark 8 or Mustang rear end. If not then that would be a mandatory first step. I would love to see someone ( with the necessary skills ) try this.
tsSVT
CEG'er
It was setup for the Jag rear drivetrain. To make this feasible, for high HP, it would be best to use a beefier rear end. Honestly a Cobra IRS would be great and relatively easy to come by as swapping the IRS for a solid axle is a common mod on high HP Cobras.
crewchiefpro
Hard-core CEG'er
A Mark 8 ( 93 -98) , Cougar ( 94-97) , or ThunderChicken ( 94-97) would have a similar rear end ( but no posi ) for next to nothing at a junk yard. All of these vehicles had IRS and beefy aluminum control arms. Add a used limited slip for $50 and you are ready to go. Big brakes too if you wanted the whole setup.