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3L turbo final round

Pudmunkie said:
It is smart to not get yourself into a debate you're sure to lose. Split ports are great on 2.5s. em on a 3 liter.

Send your trans to Livin, get the Zetec FD.

Leave the oval port manifolds, you'll love how the car drives. Trust me!
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okay. lets talk about this then. i've been back n forth with elraido about why i wanna keep the svt manifolds. so heres a list of pros n cons for using the 3l manifolds.
PROS- 1) for the sake of no argument, i'll put better driveabily under pros
thats about the only pro for doing this that i see FOR ME. pls expatiate if u care.

CONS- 1) looks terrible
2) more power that i cant use efficiently
3) more work for me as i'd have to relocate the coilpack
4) more money as i'd have to pay joey for another tune, couplings, and piping
looking at that list, it'd be more sensible FOR ME to go with my svt uim.
 
icysvt said:
As I CLEARLY stated above I have owned BOTH, wait till I get this car I have on a dyno I'll leave it at that.
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I'm looking forward to your peaky 200whp dyno plot.


BAD -> My arguments assume you're also going to use the better cams (oval port)

BAD SVT said:
PROS- 1) for the sake of no argument, i'll put better driveabily under pros
thats about the only pro for doing this that i see FOR ME. pls expatiate if u care.

MUCH better, I can't tell you how much I miss not needing to shift after 6k.

CONS-
1) looks terrible
Subjective, Oval port engine bays end up being much cleaner and organized
2) more power that i cant use efficiently
It is linear power at lower rpms. If you can't use the power you need to upgrade your tires or learn how to drive your car better. Livinsvt doesn't seem to have much problem with his oval port pushing 375+
3) more work for me as i'd have to relocate the coilpack
Putting the coil in the cowl is a 5 min job when you've got the motor out. Lets you use stock wires. You'll have to relocate it anyway if you use the good valve covers (the ones on your new motor)
4) more money as i'd have to pay joey for another tune, couplings, and piping
What is one reflash going to cost? Not much. No reason your couplings and pipings can't be made to work... Easily. If this is the hitch then you have no business swapping the engine, right?
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BAD SVT said:
and can someone explain to me how this works?
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You pull the final drive ratio out of a Zetec and send it to a trans shop and have them put it in. It will make first gear longer, and easier to modulate. You'll also have a lower highway cruising speed.
 
Idk why people dislike the 3l intake look. I think it looks way better than the svt. Svt just looks restrictive as hell conpaired to the 3l intake. Didn't you 3l come with a harness an cop? If so just swap to the cop. It's easy to do. An the pipe from the intake to the turbo would be easy to fab ur self. He'll you can get alot of different intake pipe bends off eBay for like 50-60 bucks
 
Pudmunkie said:
I'm looking forward to your peaky 200whp dyno plot.


BAD -> My arguments assume you're also going to use the better cams (oval port)





You pull the final drive ratio out of a Zetec and send it to a trans shop and have them put it in. It will make first gear longer, and easier to modulate. You'll also have a lower highway cruising speed.
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u seem to be missing the point pud. i get what u're saying. but the positives that come with using the 3L parts seem negligible compared to the simplicity of me just leaving it the way it is. no hassle, little or no money spent, better uim looks. etc. the cons weren't hitches. they were exactly what i said they were... cons, or negatives. as for me having no business swapping engines? well, u're probably right. its still sumthn i wanna do myself tho. as i said b4, the final drive install will be done. and since when did it become common knowlege that the 3l cams are better than the svts? must've missed that...
 
contour2gq said:
Idk why people dislike the 3l intake look. I think it looks way better than the svt. Svt just looks restrictive as hell conpaired to the 3l intake. Didn't you 3l come with a harness an cop? If so just swap to the cop. It's easy to do. An the pipe from the intake to the turbo would be easy to fab ur self. He'll you can get alot of different intake pipe bends off eBay for like 50-60 bucks
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yeah, i threw away those harnesses, as i had no need for them. so essentially what u guys are telling me is that if i do use the 3L manifolds and valvecovers, i'll be driving a TC'd taurus? can't do it, sorry:nonono::laugh:
 
i was doing some thinking... someone fill me in on this pls; since putting all our power down on the tarmack effectively without spinning wheels is a problem for our cars, wouldnt it make sense that any 3l turbo car would want svt cams? heres what i mean... In general, TC'd cars are money makers in the back half of the race, right? meaning when the car finally gets traction. and we've established that 3l cams give u all the power midrange. svt cams on the other hand shine on the top end of the rpm range. on paper, wouldnt it then make more sense to use svt cams? and if i decide to go with the 3l cams & valvecovers(for the pcv benefit), i can just slap on joey's LIM and svt upper right? anyone has this specific setup? most seem to have svt cammed or 3l cammed full swaps.
 
BAD SVT said:
u seem to be missing the point pud. i get what u're saying. but the positives that come with using the 3L parts seem negligible compared to the simplicity of me just leaving it the way it is. no hassle, little or no money spent, better uim looks. etc. the cons weren't hitches. they were exactly what i said they were... cons, or negatives. as for me having no business swapping engines? well, u're probably right. its still sumthn i wanna do myself tho. as i said b4, the final drive install will be done. and since when did it become common knowlege that the 3l cams are better than the svts? must've missed that...
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Your pros for the SVT intake manifold are laziness? That seems to be the only 'pro' you've made.
 
If you are going to use the 3l valve covers why not just put the cop on? You can do it your self. An why is a Taurus motor a bad thing? Are you forgeting stock for stock the Taurus motor mad more power. So why is that a bad thing? Oh yeah an I don't think you can use the svt upper with 3l valve covers cause they are to high
 
Crewchiefpro has run his turbo on 3L cams and SVT cams. He seems to think the SVT Cams are like hell fire with the turbo. Im not sure what manifolds he used with both but you could PM him if you are contemplating which way to go.

Excuse my lack of knowledge of Turbo tech, but didnt NPG design the turbo size to be most efficient with a svt style intake and cams. By all mean Im not saying it wouldn't work great with the 3L intake, but that was my initial understanding.

Does intake and cam play a roll in deciding a turbo size/inlet/outlet?
 
contour2gq said:
If you are going to use the 3l valve covers why not just put the cop on? You can do it your self. An why is a Taurus motor a bad thing? Are you forgeting stock for stock the Taurus motor mad more power. So why is that a bad thing? Oh yeah an I don't think you can use the svt upper with 3l valve covers cause they are to high
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i told u already. because i threw the harness away. as for the taurus motor, i wont have the heart to tell someone thats what's under my hood:laugh:. thanx for the valvecover info. i did know that actually. just forgot in the midst of all this debate.

TourEnvy said:
Crewchiefpro has run his turbo on 3L cams and SVT cams. He seems to think the SVT Cams are like hell fire with the turbo. Im not sure what manifolds he used with both but you could PM him if you are contemplating which way to go.

Excuse my lack of knowledge of Turbo tech, but didnt NPG design the turbo size to be most efficient with a svt style intake and cams. By all mean Im not saying it wouldn't work great with the 3L intake, but that was my initial understanding.

Does intake and cam play a roll in deciding a turbo size/inlet/outlet?
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thanx evan. i'll track him down. and yes. intake and cam should play a factor in turbo sizing, as i think they generally are both designed together for optimal performance. lookn forward to seeing u saturday:).
 
BAD SVT said:
since putting all our power down on the tarmack effectively without spinning wheels is a problem for our cars, wouldnt it make sense that any 3l turbo car would want svt cams?
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Your theory is sound if you were working with an NA engine. Remember that one of the benefits of the SVT cams in an NA engine is increased overlap. However, overlap increases are typically frowned upon with FI.

The increased overlap of the SVT cams COULD allow enough of your intake mixture to escape out the exhaust, to effectively reduce your cylinder pressures to below what you would get with the 3L cams at upper RPM's. However, there IS a possibility that because of the more aggressive profile of the SVT cams, you may still end up with a power improvement despite the loss of some of the intake mixture.
 
yeah how many people ask what kind of car it is and then ask if its a svt motor other than the people who already know about a 3L swap? If they already know about a 3L swap they already know its a taurus motor.And when you brag/tell someone about it and you tell them about the motor what do you say? Its a custom 3L swap right? Aint no need in saying its a taurus motor if youre ashamed of it lol. I dont care. I tell everyone its a taurus 3L in mine
 
a bit of help pls... i'm trying to get the axles out. i've popped the control arm and tierod off. all i've got left is the big axle bolt inside the hub. therein lies the issue. the axle keeps spinning along with the wrench. how am i supposed to get the bolt off? i had the same issue as well with both wheels, as they just kept turning. is it a quaife thing?
 
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