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why was the contour a dud?

I wouldn't say that the Contour was ever a better car than the Taurus, and that goes for comparing the SVT and SHO iterations directly as well.

We sure have short memories. The Tauruses in general were buckets of crap. No one remembers the trans failures? They were dropping like flies. And the 3.8 head gasket failures? No owner was safe from either failure. I will grant that the SHO was generally better, but the early ones were plagued with early clutch failure and shifter problems.

One of the things I disliked most about the Taurus was the driver's left foot rest. It was too close to the seat and at too steep of an angle. I felt like my leg was being jammed into my hip. I also disliked the handling. They wallowed like an old Cadillac with its boulevard ride.

When I paid off my Contour, dealers were contacting me to by a Taurus. No way. Until the newest version (including the 500), the Taurus was much more troublesome than Contours ever thought of being.
 
E36 is a 3 series not a 5er. The M5 would be an E28, E34, E39 or E60 depending on the year.
your right. I dont know BMWs designations like that but I was referring to the M5 that started production in the same time period as the E36 M3 was ending, which would be the E39 M5.

my point though, was that the M5 had an all black interior, inclluding the headliner.
 
We sure have short memories. The Tauruses in general were buckets of crap...
Disagree respectfully. I have a family member that has literally owned every single generation of Taurus except 2nd gen, ever since they were introduced in 1986. Still waiting on her to get the new re-release, though. They've been quite good, and she drives cars HARD. She's never kept anything longer than about 75k mi. Reasons for trade-off were:
1986 XL - cracked head gasket
1991 S - tie rod broke
1996 SL - just got tired of it
2001 - still driving, amazingly enough...

We'll see if she gets the new one. I hope not. Not to derail too much, but... now, finally, the Taurus may suck. They've jacked up the base price way too high. The way it competed with Camry and Accord before was by being of decent quality, but CHEAPER. Now it fails at $25k. Aesthetically they chopped off the front of a Camry, the rear of a Chrysler 300, and glued them together as a full-size car. :/

The old Tauruses drove great. I learned to drive on one, then went into my first car of a 1986 VW Golf. While vastly different, the Taurus was clearly no crown vic or caddy or SUV in handling. They were easily driveable, with great power from those 3L's. I understand your criticism compared to a smaller car or the Contour, but rated vs. other mid-size cars (what the Taurus used to be, now a full-size), it had great driveability and handling.

Anyways, point being that, sadly, as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, the Contique was not better than the Taurus. Sales proved it. :/
 
Disagree respectfully. I have a family member that has literally owned every single generation of Taurus except 2nd gen, ever since they were introduced in 1986. Still waiting on her to get the new re-release, though. They've been quite good, and she drives cars HARD. She's never kept anything longer than about 75k mi. Reasons for trade-off were:
1986 XL - cracked head gasket
1991 S - tie rod broke
1996 SL - just got tired of it
2001 - still driving, amazingly enough...

We'll see if she gets the new one. I hope not. Not to derail too much, but... now, finally, the Taurus may suck. They've jacked up the base price way too high. The way it competed with Camry and Accord before was by being of decent quality, but CHEAPER. Now it fails at $25k. Aesthetically they chopped off the front of a Camry, the rear of a Chrysler 300, and glued them together as a full-size car. :/

The old Tauruses drove great. I learned to drive on one, then went into my first car of a 1986 VW Golf. While vastly different, the Taurus was clearly no crown vic or caddy or SUV in handling. They were easily driveable, with great power from those 3L's. I understand your criticism compared to a smaller car or the Contour, but rated vs. other mid-size cars (what the Taurus used to be, now a full-size), it had great driveability and handling.

Anyways, point being that, sadly, as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, the Contique was not better than the Taurus. Sales proved it. :/

The sales prove the lack of appropriate marketing, not the quality of the car. I worked mostly in Ford and Lincoln Mercury dealers while both of those cars went through their product cycles, and proportionally, the Taurus had far many more problems. I had to face those extremely irate customers when their Tauruses had catastrophic failures. I will respectfully disagree, but those customers were anything but respectful.
 
Disagree respectfully. I have a family member that has literally owned every single generation of Taurus except 2nd gen, ever since they were introduced in 1986. Still waiting on her to get the new re-release, though. They've been quite good, and she drives cars HARD. She's never kept anything longer than about 75k mi. Reasons for trade-off were:
1986 XL - cracked head gasket
1991 S - tie rod broke
1996 SL - just got tired of it
2001 - still driving, amazingly enough...

We'll see if she gets the new one. I hope not. Not to derail too much, but... now, finally, the Taurus may suck. They've jacked up the base price way too high. The way it competed with Camry and Accord before was by being of decent quality, but CHEAPER. Now it fails at $25k. Aesthetically they chopped off the front of a Camry, the rear of a Chrysler 300, and glued them together as a full-size car. :/

The old Tauruses drove great. I learned to drive on one, then went into my first car of a 1986 VW Golf. While vastly different, the Taurus was clearly no crown vic or caddy or SUV in handling. They were easily driveable, with great power from those 3L's. I understand your criticism compared to a smaller car or the Contour, but rated vs. other mid-size cars (what the Taurus used to be, now a full-size), it had great driveability and handling.

Anyways, point being that, sadly, as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, the Contique was not better than the Taurus. Sales proved it. :/

i'll have to disagree with u as well. ur family member was fortunate. tauruses are worse cars than contours. do some more research. and am not just saying that cos i have one. my aunt had a 99. horrid vehicle! bud of mine had one as well. :laugh: i have no words... there are also more older tours on the road now than tauruses. considering they made like a billion of them. lol. have u ever been to a junkyard? when next u go to one, count how many tauruses with undamaged exteriors and untouched motors in them that u found. then walk over to the contour isle and count. i'm willing to bet u $100 that the odds are 3/4:1 in favor of the taurus.
 
one of the reasons we have better cars over here, may be the price of oil. You guys have cheap oil and large reserves... this allowed car makers to make bigger heavier cars that handled like a brick... over here oil is expensive, so manufacturers wrung the last bit of performance out of smaller cars. I like the look of the 98 0n contours... it's like a MK 1 mondeo rear and a MK2 mondeo front ... and it works. It definately looks better out back than the sedan MK2 mondeos ..FUGLY ... and now you guys have put 3.0L in them ... handling and power ..top job ... i'd like to find a right hand drive SVT..G.
 
We sure have short memories. The Tauruses in general were buckets of crap. No one remembers the trans failures? They were dropping like flies. And the 3.8 head gasket failures? No owner was safe from either failure. I will grant that the SHO was generally better, but the early ones were plagued with early clutch failure and shifter problems.

One of the things I disliked most about the Taurus was the driver's left foot rest. It was too close to the seat and at too steep of an angle. I felt like my leg was being jammed into my hip. I also disliked the handling. They wallowed like an old Cadillac with its boulevard ride.

When I paid off my Contour, dealers were contacting me to by a Taurus. No way. Until the newest version (including the 500), the Taurus was much more troublesome than Contours ever thought of being.

It stands to reason that you saw more Tauri come in for service during your dealership tenure -- Taurus outsold Contour many times over.

I like both cars very much, but would not say that Contour bested Taurus.

The SEFI 3.8s did have head gasket issues. But most Taurus buyers opted for the venerable Vulcan 3.0.

The SHO does not wallow. Because it is not a small car, it does require some steering effort when the roads get particularly twisty. It easily outguns the Contour SVT from the moment the accelerator is depressed, and while it gives up a modicum of skidpad grip in absolute terms to the smaller Ford, it is a much more communicative, stable feeling car at or near the limit than the SVT.
 
It stands to reason that you saw more Tauri come in for service during your dealership tenure -- Taurus outsold Contour many times over.

I like both cars very much, but would not say that Contour bested Taurus.

The SEFI 3.8s did have head gasket issues. But most Taurus buyers opted for the venerable Vulcan 3.0.

The SHO does not wallow. Because it is not a small car, it does require some steering effort when the roads get particularly twisty. It easily outguns the Contour SVT from the moment the accelerator is depressed, and while it gives up a modicum of skidpad grip in absolute terms to the smaller Ford, it is a much more communicative, stable feeling car at or near the limit than the SVT.

You missed point. It was not the total quantity of cars I saw. I know that Taurus outsold Contour. It was the nature and severity of problems. Contours did not have a huge quantity of engine failures during warranty like Tauruses did. Contours did not have a huge quantity of transmission failures during warranty. I have never seen a Contour with power door lock problems, but they failed frequently on Tauruses. Contours did not bake coolant like the Taurus with the Vulcan did for a few years. We did not have Contour owners in the shop every day complaining about how rough the 2-1 shift was like we did with the Taurus.

I know there were some owners that didn't have much trouble with their Taurus, but the quantity that did was astonishing.

And it didn't stop with the Taurus. The Taurus based products were even worse. The 88 through 94 Continental was a true bucket of $***. The Taurus platform just wasn't up to the task. But Ford didn't learn and used the platform for the Windstar with the same disastrous results. Transmission failures and blown headgaskets were rampant.

But heck, it kept the shop busy. Unfortunately it created a lot of customers that will never buy another Ford, some of my family members included.
 
...The 88 through 94 Continental was a true bucket of $***. The Taurus platform just wasn't up to the task. But Ford didn't learn and used the platform for the Windstar...

At my buddy's shop a couple weeks ago, I was walking around under the Challenger lift and thought I was looking at the underside of a Taurus until I stepped back and saw the Windstar body. It amused me.

I'll give you that the '88-'94 Contis were not standout cars. Between head gasket issues and air ride failures, not to mention the fact that a Lincoln of that supposed stature should have had more nags under the hood, I have no burning desire to put one in my driveway. And I do acknowledge the quality issues with the Windstar. The same buddy who owns the shop mentioned above calls them "Windrats."

And for what it's worth, when it comes to Taurus, I more or less automatically think of the 1986-1995 cars, which I like very much. I am not as fond of the cars from 1996-2004.
 
I think with the Taurus that was around when the Contours were (gen 3) one of the biggest issues was that a lot of people who had Taurus' just didn't care about them. There were some recalls (coil springs being the one I'm most familiar with, having done several) but there were on the Contours as well, some very similar. From what I heard many of the techs at the Ford dealer I worked at say, the CD4E was not much better than the AX4N or the AX4S (I think that's the designation) that 3rd gen Taurus' have. My wife drives a 96, it now has 145K or so on it, and it was her first car. I've pushed that car as hard as any of my Contours through some corners and besides some tire squeal, she held on and never made me question if it could do it. Heck, I've even seen my wife darn near lift a rear tire making an emergency move. We've had to replace the waterpump and a tensioner (somewhere around 130K I think) a brake line that rusted out (around 120K, thank you Michigan)and some other maint. items like plugs, wires and misc. filters, but otherwise, it's been a solid car. We're looking at getting rid of it only because the body is finally starting to rust out on it. When we go anywhere over a hundred miles or so away, we always take her car because it's been so reliable and is so good for long trips. Overall, having owned a 95 Mystique, 99 Contour SE Sport and a 00 SVT, all while she's had her Taurus, I have to respect the bugger.
 
My opinion would be that most people want a car that they can easily work on.

you honestly think that car sales are affected by how easily a car is to work on? :confused: heck, the majority of "car guys" probably dont even wrench on their own cars, let alone regular plain clothed civilians!


Dark interiors get lighter headliners because people don't like to feel like they are in a black cave in their car.

I've had three fully-optioned cars with dark interiors: Contour (midnight blue), Maxima (black), Legacy (black). Each had a gray headliner. The latter two had gray pillar covers.

How often does a dark interior have a black headliner? I can't think of any vehicles off the top of my head.

ive seen plenty of mustangs with black headliners. my moms C class benz, my buddy's old POS cavalier, and a few more.

I think this hits the nail on the head.

For me, the Contour couldn't confortably fit three kids across the rear, let alone adults. So my choice was to either save the money and buy a cheaper Escort with just about the same interior room as a Contour or go with a larger Taurus, for not much more (or even less) money. In the end the wife had to be happy so it was a Taurus.

I am wondering where the Pontiac Grand Prix and Grand Am and other cars like it fit in.

It seemed to me that the Grand Prix was a sporty looking car, a step up from a Contour in size, if not in technology.

Aside from the fact that the Contour is a sedan only and the Grand Am came in a coup, if you are going to go smaller than a Grand Prix or a Taurus, the Grand Am was a very attractive, very sporty looking option, especially the GT. Put a Grand Am GT and a CSVT next to each other and 9 out of 10 single 20-something females are going to choose the Grand Am just based on looks alone.

At the end of the day however, every single person who drives my CSVT is impressed.


-Tim-

i havent met too many females that actually like the looks of the contours, even the csvt. and forget the 3rd Gen Taurus lol. seemed like women hated the round jelly bean shape.

I wouldn't say that the Contour was ever a better car than the Taurus, and that goes for comparing the SVT and SHO iterations directly as well.

It was, however, a dynamic, solid, well-performing car with great looks and hot numbers and handling in the uplevel guises (particularly SVT). I loved my SVT, for the record.

What really cramped its style on the sales charts was the tight back seat and the price that blew right past the Tempo and kept on going. Ford delivered a bit too many up-optioned Contours to dealers in the early going, and that sent the wrong message out of the gate. People who had been loyal to Tempo for its value and dependability could have found the same virtues in the Contour. Some did. But others were put off by those initial window stickers of cars that were loaded with way more equipment than they wanted, price shoppers that they were.

in 1998 i bought my first (and only) brand new car, a 98 honda accord. the accord had just jumped up in overall size and was now offering the V6. i was a honda fanboy back then (2nd accord). it was a GREAT car! gave me ZERO problems all the way up till the mid 60k mark when i sold it. i HATED fords back then. bad experiences with them before. i hadnt even heard about the csvt back in 98, or i may have gone to check it out, though my hatred of ford probably would have prevented me from buying it. and for the same price, you could get a larger, well equipped accord which would be the far safer bet reliability wise. the contour just didnt fit in at the time. people could either buy a 4 door escort if they were on a tight budget and would accept a small car or move up to a taurus. and a contour certainly was no match for a camry/accord in 1998. maybe in 97, but not with the newer/larger cars in 98. it wasnt until i drove a focus that i became impressed by fords newer vehicles (compared to the older stuff). then, when i test drove a csvt, i fell in love! :cool:

now, the fusion is in the right spot at the right time.. the taurus is MUCH bigger and more expensive. the fusion is a good sized vehicle, looks good, and gets good mpg, which is a major concern for many family car buyers now.

Disagree respectfully. I have a family member that has literally owned every single generation of Taurus except 2nd gen, ever since they were introduced in 1986. Still waiting on her to get the new re-release, though. They've been quite good, and she drives cars HARD. She's never kept anything longer than about 75k mi. Reasons for trade-off were:
1986 XL - cracked head gasket
1991 S - tie rod broke
1996 SL - just got tired of it
2001 - still driving, amazingly enough...

We'll see if she gets the new one. I hope not. Not to derail too much, but... now, finally, the Taurus may suck. They've jacked up the base price way too high. The way it competed with Camry and Accord before was by being of decent quality, but CHEAPER. Now it fails at $25k. Aesthetically they chopped off the front of a Camry, the rear of a Chrysler 300, and glued them together as a full-size car. :/

The old Tauruses drove great. I learned to drive on one, then went into my first car of a 1986 VW Golf. While vastly different, the Taurus was clearly no crown vic or caddy or SUV in handling. They were easily driveable, with great power from those 3L's. I understand your criticism compared to a smaller car or the Contour, but rated vs. other mid-size cars (what the Taurus used to be, now a full-size), it had great driveability and handling.

Anyways, point being that, sadly, as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, the Contique was not better than the Taurus. Sales proved it. :/

the new Taurus is HUGE. its about the same size as a 7 series bimmer. its not the same Taurus from before. people who dont want to spend that much or have a car that large can opt for a nicely equipped/sized fusion instead.

i think the two main buyers of the contour and taurus were families and commuters. thats what i still see driving them now. for the $, the contour was just too small for a real family car. it would be like buying a trailblazer when you can get a tahoe for almost the same price. who would do that?? :shrug: or buying a V6 S10 if you could get a silverado for a little more (for work usage). and if you were buying one for a commuter car, why not just get an escort. almost the same size but less expensive :shrug:

and lets face it, in 1998, the standard edition escort, contour and taurus were nothing to get excited about in the looks department. which is what MANY people base a larger part of their purchases on (other than reputation for reliability). looks and reliability, not exactly two strong points for Ford in 1998 lol.
 
Windstar with the same disastrous results. Transmission failures and blown headgaskets were rampant.

We got a good one. '98 Windstar, 125,000 no head gasket\trans problems, of course I bought it at 52K so maybe they had already been fixed. On the flip side 99 Taurus (sold 2 yrs ago) bought at approx 55k, 3.0 Vulcon, torque convertor failed, steering rack fail, all before 70K. Still liked the handling\comfortable ride of the car. Even the ext. design didn't bother me.
 
Many of you have said it or touched on it, but it is very simple. It sat in-between the Escort and Taurus and cost as much as a Mustang. Ford should have dropped the Escort line and added a 2 door Contour. The car would probably still be in production.
 
I purchased my 95 in May of 1996 for $18,000 - drive out. It was a loaded demo with 4800 miles on it. We bought another loaded 95 a few months later with 15 miles on it for the same price. Ford was marketing them as a grocery getter, not a sports sedan. Who would pay over $22,000.00 for a grocery getter?
I have a large file folder full of recalls but the only problem the car gave me under warranty was front brake lining. Everything else was repaired under recall. Once I found the Mintex European brake lining that problem went away.
Recent years I had the usual vacuum leaks, 2 bad injectors, broken sway bar brackets and a fuse box problem. My ex got rid of hers and bought a Tribute. I now own a 2006 Escape after my transmission started to shift hard around 130,000 miles. I think the electronic controls started to fail due to the WOT runs over the years.
 
Quality issues killed the car. I purchased mine back when due to the marketing and the search for a mid sized car. I loved the idea of having a small 6... 2.5L at the time gave reasonable fuel econ but had enough power...
 
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