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OK, the 1999 Contour SVT PCM is here. I tried it ... got access with the Ford IDS, it was possible to reprogramm it. The bad thing is that I have problems with the keys/PATS. Go the following fault codes:
B1213: number of programmed keys is below minimum
B1681: no signal from PATS receiver

The PATS receiver is the same in Contour and Mondeo.

So there may be 2 problems:
Keys are not compatible?!
Wiring is different?!

Can someone help me out with a engine wiring plan from a 1999 Contour SVT? So I can check for differences.
Second way would be to kill PATS in the PCM. Is it possible to solder some wires in the PCM to have full function without PATS? (this information please send by PM :rolleyes:)
 
It's not unheard of to bypass the factory PATS system. This is done all the time when aftermarket alarm systems are installed in cars. I wonder if that would be a solution or not... I believe the correct bypass syste you need is the DEI XK04, which is the old model that has not been replaced with the DEI PKFM. Either one of those PATS bypass systems should work for you. Check out the www.directed.com website as Directed Electronics makes a number of security systems that are compatiable with our cars when using these PATS bypass modules.

Here is a direct link for the interface modules.

However with all of that said, usually these systems trick the PATS system to make it think the key is present. Since your PATS system doesn't appear to be working at all... potentially due to wiring... maybe this is not the solution.
 
ST200 said:
OK, the 1999 Contour SVT PCM is here. I tried it ... got access with the Ford IDS, it was possible to reprogramm it. The bad thing is that I have problems with the keys/PATS. Go the following fault codes:
B1213: number of programmed keys is below minimum
B1681: no signal from PATS receiver

The PATS receiver is the same in Contour and Mondeo.

So there may be 2 problems:
Keys are not compatible?!
Wiring is different?!

Can someone help me out with a engine wiring plan from a 1999 Contour SVT? So I can check for differences.
Second way would be to kill PATS in the PCM. Is it possible to solder some wires in the PCM to have full function without PATS? (this information please send by PM :rolleyes:)
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in the past, members have bought the keys with the pcm. Do you know anyone at fords who can try programing your keys ? Stick the old pcm in drive there, swap to new pcm etc etc. Might be less complicated, not cheap but less complicated... G.
 
gorman said:
in the past, members have bought the keys with the pcm. Do you know anyone at fords who can try programing your keys ? Stick the old pcm in drive there, swap to new pcm etc etc. Might be less complicated, not cheap but less complicated... G.
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If thats the problem he should be able to just buy a blank key have it cut and then program it to his car.

However it could be that the wiring is not the same between the Mondeo and the Contiques such that the PATS system isn't wired into the same pinout on the ECM.
 
CSVT#49 said:
It's not unheard of to bypass the factory PATS system. This is done all the time when aftermarket alarm systems are installed in cars. I wonder if that would be a solution or not... I believe the correct bypass syste you need is the DEI XK04, which is the old model that has not been replaced with the DEI PKFM. Either one of those PATS bypass systems should work for you. Check out the www.directed.com website as Directed Electronics makes a number of security systems that are compatiable with our cars when using these PATS bypass modules.

Here is a direct link for the interface modules.

However with all of that said, usually these systems trick the PATS system to make it think the key is present. Since your PATS system doesn't appear to be working at all... potentially due to wiring... maybe this is not the solution.
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To use a PATS bypass unit I need a working PATS system. When I understand it, I've to put a working key in the blackbox and it simulates that the key is in the ignition lock. Actually impossible!

If someone has a wiring plan of the Contour SVT (mine was built October 1999), I can check the whole engine wiring and the wiring to the PATS receiver at the ignition lock. If the wiring is not the same, I can correct it and try again with programming. If the wiring is the same, I can order 2 blank US keys and programm them with a european key without transponder. After that that I can glue one US key behind the engine lock cover. That would be the better way for me than a PATS bypass blackbox. It's easyer to swich to european PCM if needed.
 
gorman said:
in the past, members have bought the keys with the pcm. Do you know anyone at fords who can try programing your keys ? Stick the old pcm in drive there, swap to new pcm etc etc. Might be less complicated, not cheap but less complicated... G.
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I got just the blank PCM.

Ford diagnostic hardware is no problem. I'm working at a small german Ford dealer. I've full access to the Ford-IDS and all wiring plans.

To swap the european PCM with the Contour PCM is not a good idea. After that I should have 2 ST200 PCMs and no Contour.
 
ST200 said:
I got just the blank PCM.

Ford diagnostic hardware is no problem. I'm working at a small german Ford dealer. I've full access to the Ford-IDS and all wiring plans.

To swap the european PCM with the Contour PCM is not a good idea. After that I should have 2 ST200 PCMs and no Contour.
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when i asked at the dealership about changing the injector tables in my ST24 pcm... they said they couldn't do it with their equipment. Can you do stuff like that with your system access. ?.. G.
 
gorman said:
when i asked at the dealership about changing the injector tables in my ST24 pcm... they said they couldn't do it with their equipment. Can you do stuff like that with your system access. ?.. G.
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It's not that easy. There are 2 ways for that:

-Take a existing car, use the IDS and say "programm new PCM". It saves all date from the old and stores it in the new. You make a clone of the first PCM.
-You can take the right car without PCM and manually insert all needed data. You need the 4 digit code on the PCM "SFG2" or something else. It may ask you other things like fuel, tyres (if unclear). With this method you have to programm the keys new.

Both is not always possible. You can not programm a 1999 Contour V6 PCM software on a 2004 Focus PCM hardware. ST200 software on normal V6 hardware should work (matching years, matching PATS - internal / external ...). You can not take a ignition table from the ST220, IMRC of the ST200 and fuel of the SVT. Only the full PCM.
 
Now, I have a buddy who is an SCT dealer, do you have the PCM code for your current PCM? Ex. SFG2

Let me know what your PCM code is and i'll see if we can possibly pull the binary data off of it and get some things set up. I'll have to contact my tuner to see what he says, he's gotten a few guys set up internationally for this stuff before so he may be able to help you out a bit.
 
OK ... it can't work! :cry::cry::cry:
I ordered a wiring diagramm at www.wiring-diagram.com . First look was a complete mess!!! Ford did a lot of changes in PCM pin numbers. PATS receiver has complete different pin numbers on PCM. The Contour PCM has connetions like the Mondeo built up to 08-1999 ... the ST200 is different and has the later style wiring.
Now I study both wiring diagrams ... nice work for long cold winter nights. :crazy:
 
When I mentioned what you were doing before to my tuner he said pinouts could very well be different between the US and European PCM's...

Not sure if you read my last post but did you get the PCM code from your ST200 PCM?

EDIT: If you're interested in possibly getting set up with the SCT stuff and getting that to work PM me...
 
99Mystique ATX said:
When I mentioned what you were doing before to my tuner he said pinouts could very well be different between the US and European PCM's...

Not sure if you read my last post but did you get the PCM code from your ST200 PCM?

EDIT: If you're interested in possibly getting set up with the SCT stuff and getting that to work PM me...
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My ST200 ECU has the code ENVY / XS7V-12A650-AG. Would be great if SCT would support my ECU directly.

Do I need XCAL2 + Pro Racer or is the XCAL2 included in Pro Racer?
 
ST200 said:
Won a SFG2 PCM in ebay. Try to get it work. If successful, I'm back with a lot of questions! :cool:
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Yes, I'm very interested if this will work because then I can start tuning the UK cars that I sell turbo kits for! If so I can probably offer the PCM with a base tune for some added costs so that the UK mondy owners can order a more or less complete setup from our website.

I want to see Mondy's dominating the roads over there!
 
Found 5 moved pins:

ST200 / CSVT
17 / 19
18 / 82
19 / 17
68 / 45
104 / 34

Sould be no problem to change.
Mondeos (exp. ST200) built bevore 08-1999 habe the CSVT wiring. Built after 08-1999 have the ST200 wiring. The Mondeo has no lambdas after the cats.

A little confusing on the 1999 wiring diagram is:
-no knock sensor found
-"turbine shaft speed sensor" - what and where is this?
 
while you were looking at the wiring diagrams, did you notice if the trip computer had wiring pinouts allocated on the SVT pcm. ? Would be good to know if it is software or wiring for sure...thanks ..G.
 
according to my haynes book... pin 34 on the pcm (white wire) goes to the trip computer. Do you know what pin 34's function is on earlier SVT's pcm's? or later SVT's pcm's (non return/internal PATS) ..G.
 
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