IC: Pudmunkie Performance Projector fog lights

[teamSVTour]

Did you donate brackets to Sping Zing? Pudmunkie did which seems to be way before you posted anything about your projector fog light crap.

Unprofessional is you posting the same group buy after Pudmunkie did. Granted i don't think he should have used your cut off pic, but be still beat you to the projector fog light issue by years. And obviously to the Group buy thread as well.

Did I attend SZ....no I was working. Projector fog light crap huh....but once you have them on "they will be the shizzle".

The reason he posted the GB 2 days after my pics is obvious, doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

use the term "years" a little loosely hmm?

 

[starjammir]

Bill you have to drive your car first to worry about something happening to the lights .. And damn you stop modding your car I can't keep up :crazy:.

Aaron

Hey I put 40 miles on it today Anywho I still like these and cant wait to see how this GB (either of em) turns out.

 

[Steeda...]

Alot of people didn't attend SZ but still donated stuff to be raffled off.

well i first saw these projectors last summer soo you tell me how long ago that is?

Also my lights are soo amazing i have zero use for foglights. I only turn mine on during the day time.

 

[SF-SVT]

looks good!
i've been running a similar setup or over a year using the Hella 90mm Fog's. I'm using the stock brackets with SS adapter plates, keeping the use of factory adjusters. i have tried with a Hella projector and stock mount.. I think the stock plastic fog mounts were a bit 'weak' for the heavier projector unit.. I didn't think the 2 bracket mounts on the SVT bumper look strurdy enough, even with a new metal projector bracket. (plus i'm lazy and wanted the lights in!) The only thing i noticed with the Hella Fog's or the projector is the glass cover on the front. since the fog locations sit pretty low.. the pretty glass covers get pitted and eventually cracked from road debris.. the 90mm run pretty hot and so does the halogen projectors, with road debris and water hit hot glass, it get damaged pretty quick.. (i have a long commute)
*edit* Oh one can possibly but like a 3+mil clear bra on the glass lens to protect them. this came to my attention after i clear bra'ed the front end of my S2k, but the damage had been done to the lights..

i can get closer pics of the fogs if ppl are interested. but i think there is a pic of the passenger side fog in this gallery

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...cmd=user&user=52151&op=view_album&album=22050

 

[Pudmunkie]

SF: Nice work! how well has the modification to D2S kept water out of your headlight (the 90mm at least)?

Issues for consideration:

Expensive foglights like the PIAA's that chip are only attainable in pairs (as far as I know). Hella 90mm's are available (readily) from www.rallylights.com and one replacement will only cost you 58 bucks. While not exactly cheap, it is significantly cheaper than a pair of PIAA lights. For additional security a 3M type clear bra (or yellow for that lexus look) will help protect the lenses from rock chips.

These ARE HID compatible! The 90mm projector unit starts life as either an h9, or an h7. You could take the time to 'retrofit' a set of 80 dollar OEM xenon bulbs into them and risk leaking or you can pick up a rebase kit (h9, or h7 depending) for 100 bucks (Ill include a relay harness, free). I dont feel like OEM HID components or 80 dollar OEM bulbs are necessary for fog lights. Rebase kits are cheaper, and most come with a warranty. Being that this equipment will be more subject to weather than a headlamp kit.... this would be my choice.

Flat cutoffs are not necessary, but preferred. I will provide replacement sheilds with the kits, or I can knock a few bucks off and you can shave down the stock sheild (similar to what Milan did with his headlamps).

Any other questions? Ill be happy to answer them

I should add, if you are interested in this kit add your name to the list. If you are waiting to see who will have the lowest price I ask that you still add your name to the list. I am confident I can provide the lowest prices and would like to get an accurate number of those interested.

-Alex

 

[SF-SVT]

Thanks Alex!

But yes, www.rallylights.com is were i got all my Hella lights from.
This site is a god send! http://faqlight.carpassion.info/


Sorry if i'm hi-jacking your thread!
But here is some backround if ppl are intereted..

The Projector refit i had the goals in mind..
1. retain factory headlight adjustments
2. weather sealed like stock
3. get the bluish/purple 'tint' like the Audi/BMW projectors. (this was optional)

At the time I started no one had done this yet.. half way through my R&D Millian made his quad projector setup and did a group buy.. (check the old forums)
R&D took 2 set of 90mm projectors, an HID set from a wrecked A6 from Ebay, 2 set of Contour headlights from the salvage yard, dremel, a whole bunch of SS bolts silicone sealant, ad JB Weld!

Basically to achieve the goals above the projector nds to intergrated into the stock Hi/Low Reflector housing. So alignment of projector cut-off and hi-beam is crucial and time consuming. But this will allow you to keep the factory adjustments. i got this from looking at alot of headlights. The closest example iis if you look at an A4 head light their hi/low assembly contains the projector.

The D2S refit is water tight on the Projector conversion! 3 plus years and holding. All parts for the Hella 90mm projector was recycled on this build.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=viewimage&img=376651
on that picture you can see the SVT center cap converted to a D2S retainer with seal that was recycled from the Hella's glass projector cover. If you look closely on the back of the projector, you can the 'dirt line' made by the seal on the retainer. think this was the first i took the retainer off in years for the pic.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=viewimage&img=376654
The the low beam seal on the headlight housing is still retained too. In the pics you can see that the rear diameter of the 90mm projector is about the same diameter of the stock 'inner ring' of the 9006 reflector bulb base. (outer ring is still in tact i pic.) Carefull cutting with a Dremel on factory reflector assebly will allow the Hella projector to fit perfectly in place. (look at the stock 9006 reflector housing base, with seal off and you'll see the part that nds to be cut off)

Oh. i still have an extra set of the H9 bases and bulbs from this project, with an H9 to 9006 wire harness in the trunk. Just in case a D2S goes out and i nd light. I can swap bases and bulbs and be on the road again!

Think i wrote enough.. 0.0 If there are more ?? PM me.. If is enough interest i'll try to do a write up...

Diatribe off..

 

[Blast47]

I understand this is for the fog lights...
What is the general purpose for this mod? Aestethics only? Is there some type of improved visibility I am missing out on by just using the stock fogs instead of something like this? If I do decide on "upgrading" or modifying to this set up, can I go back to stock fogs if I say... want to sell my car or something to that effect? If I have this set up with stock headlights, will it look stoopid? (I don't know if I am asking that correctly, hopefully you get what I mean)

Sorry about all the ?s I am just really noobish at this type of *ish.

 

[RandyCSVT]

Let capitalism and the American Way solve this.

I will buy my foglights from the person who makes the best quality product at the lowest price. I don't care who did it first, I just care about who gives me a better deal.

 

[Rara]

I understand this is for the fog lights...
What is the general purpose for this mod? Aestethics only? Is there some type of improved visibility I am missing out on by just using the stock fogs instead of something like this?

Aesthetics is part of it, and improved light output is the other part. The contour lighting "system" as a whole isn't all that great. The headlights have poor output compared to many other common vehicles, and the foglights do as well. The upgraded foglights are practically a must if you have already done the headlights, but are a pretty good improvement on their own as well.

 

[CSVT1214]

That would be great because if Im going to drop some cash on these I want to make sure they are going to last and not have to worry so much about a rock hitting and smashing the glass again.

+1

After a set of Hella Optilux and PIAA 510's both breaking in no time, I don't want to waste any more money than I already have. So far $190. :blackeye:

I went back to stock after that and said I wouldn't bother with aftermarket glass again.

I'd like to hear how many miles these have gone sucessfully used, condition of the glass after some miles, etc.

 

[SF-SVT]

Agree.. lighting quality is greatly increased on Hella fogs vs stock. (spread pattern and light intensity) I'm not sure how the Hella fogs compare to the PIAA ones.. I went this route since it was cheaper. @ $58 buck a piece. I guess it has something to do with the glass covers and better reflectors. Looks wise they look similar to stock except for the clear glass cover. I think most ppl don't really notice them unless they know what they are looking for.. (hey! these aren't Stock!?) Durability, the glass get chipped and cracked. The fog's sit very low and are subjected the full force of road hazards.. Like mentioned before. A 3+mil Clear-bra to the covers should help out alot. (hindsight is 20/20) Both mine have cracks on them after 1+ year of commuting... The Hella fogs can mounted on the stock fog brackets with minor modding to the bracket, fab'ing 4 simple 'L' brackets. (i used that 'plumber tape' in SS or you can use the galvanized, that they sell at home depot to hold the water heaters to the wall) and a few SS bolts. oh. the other thing i noticed is the Hella fogs are prob twice as heavy as the stock. (glass covers)

 

[muntus]

Let capitalism and the American Way solve this.

I will buy my foglights from the person who makes the best quality product at the lowest price. I don't care who did it first, I just care about who gives me a better deal.

Indeed. Socialism's for suckers.

If these things are Bob Barkered, I might get em.

 

[Pudmunkie]

I understand this is for the fog lights...
What is the general purpose for this mod? Aestethics only? Is there some type of improved visibility I am missing out on by just using the stock fogs instead of something like this? If I do decide on "upgrading" or modifying to this set up, can I go back to stock fogs if I say... want to sell my car or something to that effect? If I have this set up with stock headlights, will it look stoopid? (I don't know if I am asking that correctly, hopefully you get what I mean)

Sorry about all the ?s I am just really noobish at this type of *ish.

The output and pattern are greatly increased. Just to toss this out there, while I dont recommend it... I was driving around with these as my only source of night time light going back and forth from my test spot while building some headlights. With stock headlights you can see how much better the fogs are :laugh:

These mount to stock location (for SVT). You unbolt your old foglamp, and using the stock screws bolt the new bracket in. No cutting, hacking, etc. etc.

 

[KyleQ]

Sounds awesome - you definatly did your homework.

 

[yamaha racer 686]

im in for just for the parts. wheres the list for me to put my name on?

 

[Blast47]

The output and pattern are greatly increased. Just to toss this out there, while I dont recommend it... I was driving around with these as my only source of night time light going back and forth from my test spot while building some headlights. With stock headlights you can see how much better the fogs are :laugh:

These mount to stock location (for SVT). You unbolt your old foglamp, and using the stock screws bolt the new bracket in. No cutting, hacking, etc. etc.

Sounds good, I would be interested as well. (thanks for the replies guys)

 

[BigBEN]

Besides all of the earlier bickering...i did learn a lot and wish i had the money to do any kind of projector retrofit.

 

[theSCHAFF]

How's the light output without the retrofitted fogs, and just the OEM fogs with HID's behind'em ? I just got my 6k hid's installed lastnight, and now my fogs look friggen yellow in contrast to my lowbeams ... sooo i may have to throw down on this kit to match.

 

[Pudmunkie]

Im not sure why you'd want to put HID into the stock fogs, they are a horrible design and not very resilient / water tight. I upgraded because i had a hard time keeping stock halogen bulbs from blowing due to weather!

I also understand that everyone is all hung up on HID for the fogs. Thats fine but also not very necessary. If you have stock lights, even stock lights with HID these projectors overpower them!

The difference in power between a 3k HID @ 100- 130 bucks is negligble when put next to yellow H9 bulbs @ 39 bucks. I suggest people start off halogen and if they have to go that extra little bit to be cool like teamsvtour they can buy an H9 HID kit for it down the road. And if anyones curious, ill be running halogen bulbs in my own kit.....

 

[Icefury]

Im not sure why you'd want to put HID into the stock fogs, they are a horrible design and not very resilient / water tight. I upgraded because i had a hard time keeping stock halogen bulbs from blowing due to weather!

I also understand that everyone is all hung up on HID for the fogs. Thats fine but also not very necessary. If you have stock lights, even stock lights with HID these projectors overpower them!

The difference in power between a 3k HID @ 100- 130 bucks is negligble when put next to yellow H9 bulbs @ 39 bucks. I suggest people start off halogen and if they have to go that extra little bit to be cool like teamsvtour they can buy an H9 HID kit for it down the road. And if anyones curious, ill be running halogen bulbs in my own kit.....

Exactally... the "only" reason I'm running HID in my projector fogs is to match the HID projector retrofit headlights pudmunkie (Alex) did for me (worth every penny!). If your not running HID in your headlamps, having HID fogs will vastly overpower your headlamps regardless of what brand of Halogen bulbs your running.

For those of you that currently have stock, proburners, or cyberwhite fog lamps, I can tell you having personally used all three of these, the Hella 90mm projector is VASTLY superior in glass thickness, light output, build quality, and aesthetics. You wont be disappointed.

I know I promised some pics, and I will have them soon. Between work and my two month old son, time for anything I want to do is in short supply. I should be able to get some descent pics up in the next day or two.