F the police

[Y2KSVT]

I've been pulled over probably a good 15 times, and have had a ticket for what seems like everything imaginable. Most of those were legitimately my fault, but while we're on the subject of whining about BS tickets, here are my two.
My first ticket was just a few months after I got my license. Driving home from school, I go right by a police station in a 55mph zone on the highway. A kid one grade ahead of me flies by me, right in front of the police station. I get up to my turn and the cop flies by me. I think to myself "hell yes, I can't stand that fugger, I hope he gets a ticket!" Then, he pulls a u-turn through the grass median and pulls me over! He tells me his back radar went off and he couldn't see who was speeding, but saw that I had my ball cap on and thought it had to be me. :shrug: There was no way to explain to my Mom that I wasn't a 16 year old speeding in my first car.
My second BS ticket was on a Friday or Saturday night a few years back in my old SVT. I went for a cruise on a main strip. I was approaching the intersection at the 40mph speed limit when the light turns yellow. Well, I would have had to have stood on the brakes to come to a screeching stop, so I had to keep going. The intersection I was going through is 8 lanes wide, which is impossible to get through at 40mph. Well, there was an officer in the turn lane, and saw my ass end not make it through the intersection. I really thought about contesting that one, but figured it was easier to pay the ticket.

One funny story. An old friend of mine and I drove down to Louisiana for Mardi Gras five years ago. I was driving his '01 Mustang GT with bolt-ons, and I got on it a little on the highway. Cop pulls us over in Arkansas and asks where we're going. We tell him back to Indiana. He asks where we're coming from. I'm hoping my friend shuts his mouth like I told him, because I doubt a cop wants to hear about 2 guys partying at Mardi Gras. Well, my friend says "we're coming back from Mardi Gras!!!!!" I could just see myself in handcuffs at that point, but what do you think the cop says?

"Did you boys see some titties!?!?!"

We both obviously laughed and let him know that we had indeed seen some titties. He told us to slow it down, and let us go. :crazy:

Mark

 

[PurpleMystique]

"Did you boys see some titties!?!?!"

We both obviously laughed and let him know that we had indeed seen some titties. He told us to slow it down, and let us go. :crazy:

Mark

Ha! That's good.

 

[Kremithefrog]

in NY, any aftermarket exhaust is illegal. must be a stock replacement. i've been nailed countless times for my magnaflows. they're real anal about that here. im pretty sure its like that in most states

not in georgia. They would have to spend all day pulling people over for exhausts. Technically anything that could be a noise violation (a contour with mufflers of almost any sort would not be considered a noise violation) after 9pm could be ticketed. They really don't enforce it.

 

[ST Two Ton]

how do you know that is the case? He may have been genuinely annoyed by your exhaust, he may have been in a bad mood, you may have fit the profile of what he considers a trouble maker, or he may just feel like enforcing those ordinances are important. A pillar gauge pod is a very unlikely reason for an officer to have pulled you over.



what exactly makes someone a "proper criminal"? First off, most of police work is order maintenance, not crime control. Second off, a crime is a crime, no matter how important you think it is. People should just feel lucky every time they get a warning or a cop lets them get off. A cop technically SHOULD ticket you for every offense, arrest for every offense they can arrest someone for, and so on and so forth. You should be thankful that police utilize their discretion and DONT always ticket or arrest.

Oh dear, Touched a nerve have we?

 

[alien_yet_familiar]

What I think a lot of people don't realize is that cops don't necessarily pull people over who have minor infractions just to write tickets for those infractions. They pull people over who have made small mistakes because a lot of times that's the only things that they see. Often, from those small infractions come bigger results.

A stop for a brake light or turn signal violation may result in taking a drunk driver off the road. It may keep someone without insurance from running into you!

My favorite example to cite is Timothy McVeigh. The bomb at the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City went off at 9:02 am. It killed 168 people and injured more than 500. A little more than an hour later, Timothy McVeigh was pulled over by an Oklahoma State Police officer for a license plate violation. The officer discovered that McVeigh was carrying an illegally concealed handgun, and arrested him for that. While he was in custody, McVeigh was identified as “John Doe No. 1,” the primary suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing.

That officer gave a lot of families closure by pulling someone over for what a lot of people would call a "BS" stop.

 

[Rodewaryer]

Wow. A lot of different views on the world.

"SVT badging a non-SVT would be a ticketable offense if i was a cop"

Now that's ^^^^just about the most ridiculous thing I could imagine getting pulled over for. Ever.

“Killersport... the officer is lying to you.

My best friend was manager at 1st class auto in Brighton..before they went out of business. Which was a car customizing shop for 18 years...They did after market exhaust daily. They also worked on cop cars in the same building.

Fight the ticket...he was just giving you a ticket for noise pollution. Or he just didn't like you. Guys Brighton cops are pricks...i got a ticket for going 28 in a 25 one day. The city just needs money.”

I’m with ya on that one^^^^ most pigs are ego tripper god complexes with badges anyway. Not all, but most. And I've met more than just about anyone, and yes, at the window of this motorhead's car.

“So you WERE speeding... and their the pricks...”

I don’t follow this one, I guess you must be one of the sheep and since I don’t know any sheep, I don’t understand that type of thinking. Motion is speed, and this speeding tag placed too quickly on something THAT mickey mouse is sad. You’d think someone was racing or something. No one drives the speed limit (or almost no one) and when a person does, they make 90% of the traffic around them angry since at least 90% of the numbers on the signs are unreasonably low anyway. That’s the REAL world, the signs and the numbers on them are the pigs world that only counts in the range of their vision and takes into consideration the wet behind the ears 16 year olds and the 80 year old senile cataract candidates. Anyone that’s got some sense, can see and has a clue how to drive isn’t scary driving within a reasonable percentage of what they post. A pig taking his life in his own hands stopping someone for 28 in a 25 is chicken crap and that would be my pick as the moron of the story.

“motorcycles are alot louder stock then a car with an exhaust...”

No joke. I don’t get how I see all kinds of decent cars pulled over and never those two wheeled stump pulling harley types. They aren’t loud, they are obnoxiously irritating. The employees of the police state are a highly flawed part of our society that don’t really work the way they should. To protect and serve is such a crock. To hassle and control is more like the truth.

I keep saying it and people think it's crazy but I'll say it again. They keep making it harder and harder to be completely compliant with everything. Like the $180 buck ticket for the license plate frame ticket or the $500 potential fine for tint too dark when a ticket for not using a seat belt is something like $35. Now there's logic for ya.

 

[PurpleMystique]

I’m with ya on that one^^^^ most pigs are ego tripper god complexes with badges anyway. Not all, but most. And I've met more than just about anyone, and yes, at the window of this motorhead's car.

Your sample is flawed. I shouldn't even have to explain why.

I keep saying it and people think it's crazy but I'll say it again. They keep making it harder and harder to be completely compliant with everything.

I agree! If you don't do anything to your car, it's so way totally hard to be compliant!

 

[andreslobo]

Too much misplaced anger

Too much misplaced anger

I am amazed how much hostility many members of this list harbor towards the police. Listen, police are people too and like anyone you meet they run the full spectrum from nice to not nice. Just like the rest of us, they let some things slide and obsess about other things, they are human beings after all.

We all get stopped from time to time, with rare exceptions the outcome of a traffic stop depends on YOUR attitude. Bad attitude leads to a bad time, good attitude, maybe you slide.

If you break the law, get stopped, and ticketed, don't blame the police for the ticket. You broke the law that society at some point decided needed to be on the books and it is their job to enforce those laws. Be thankful that MOST police let most infractions slide. I know I am grateful everytime I ride my barely legal dirt bike on the road.

Imagine a society that had no laws and no enforcers, it would be hell, kinda like Somalia. Society needs rules to function smoothly. Like expecting that you can go through a green light safely without someone deciding that they can run the cross traffic red light.

 

[FIND]

I don’t follow this one, I guess you must be one of the sheep and since I don’t know any sheep, I don’t understand that type of thinking. Motion is speed, and this speeding tag placed too quickly on something THAT mickey mouse is sad. You’d think someone was racing or something. No one drives the speed limit (or almost no one) and when a person does, they make 90% of the traffic around them angry since at least 90% of the numbers on the signs are unreasonably low anyway. That’s the REAL world, the signs and the numbers on them are the pigs world that only counts in the range of their vision and takes into consideration the wet behind the ears 16 year olds and the 80 year old senile cataract candidates. Anyone that’s got some sense, can see and has a clue how to drive isn’t scary driving within a reasonable percentage of what they post. A pig taking his life in his own hands stopping someone for 28 in a 25 is chicken crap and that would be my pick as the moron of the story.

First off. There is a quote button at the bottom of each post. Putting something in quotes doesnt work. If you want to copy and paste and then make the quote you need to enter [ quote ] before and [/ quote ] after what you copy and paste to make it a quote. Remove the spaces though. You can also add =sumguysname to make it show who you are quoting.

second off. Laws are laws for a reason. Just cause you dont agree with them, doesnt make them any less valid. Yes most people do drive the speed limit. No speed limits arent only for 16 year olds and 80 year olds. I have the feeling from reading your post that you drive like a little kid and therefore get ticketed a lot and this is where all this hostility towards cops comes from. Plus you are probably very hostile with them when they pull you over, so that probably adds to your problems. You can drop the pig comments though, cause many people on this forum are involved with law enforcement in one way or another, and many others are supporters of law enforcement. Most of this forum is smart enough that childish comments like pig are beneath us, and we understand the function police serve in our society. Sure some of us may complain when we get ticketed, but you pay to play. Besides. The officer that pulls you over doesn't know if you have the driving skills to put you in an F1 circuit or if you are just as horrible a driver as you were when you were a "wet behind the ears 16 year old", which my guess, given the information you provided elsewhere in your post, your skills are severly lacking.

I keep saying it and people think it's crazy but I'll say it again. They keep making it harder and harder to be completely compliant with everything. Like the $180 buck ticket for the license plate frame ticket or the $500 potential fine for tint too dark when a ticket for not using a seat belt is something like $35. Now there's logic for ya.

Now the first part of this is the one thing I will agree with you on. It does get harder and harder to stay compliant. There are so many things I could do on cars in the 90s that I cant do today.

I'll explain the logic behind the tickets to you though. The licence plate ticket is priced high because it obscures the police view of your license plate. This is something you have to actively do, not something you forgot. The potential fine for tint is because to dark of tint is obscuring your view, which endangers other motorists. The seatbelt fine is low because its easy for many people to forget, and you are the only one who gets hurt by not wearing one.

 

[xchang]

Is this really still going on. Jeez!

If you don't want the police bothering you, don't do anything that would make you stand out like a sore thumb. Most exhausts are usually "Off-road use only", care to read the packaging?

Oh, POs are on duty 24/7... We, as citizens, have the duty to retreat during any deadly situations, where officers (on or off-duty) do not have that luxury. There are always bad apples in any bunch, but next time you are thinking "F the Police", I seriously hope you understand that they are putting their life on the line for you when your sleeping without even knowing you, because putting an uniform on everyday, your a walking bullseye for real criminals. Same goes for the Military!

 

[D.Acker]

Is this really still going on. Jeez!

If you don't want the police bothering you, don't do anything that would make you stand out like a sore thumb. Most exhausts are usually "Off-road use only", care to read the packaging?

Oh, POs are on duty 24/7... We, as citizens, have the duty to retreat during any deadly situations, where officers (on or off-duty) do not have that luxury. There are always bad apples in any bunch, but next time you are thinking "F the Police", I seriously hope you understand that they are putting their life on the line for you when your sleeping without even knowing you, because putting an uniform on everyday, your a walking bullseye for real criminals. Same goes for the Military!

Well said sir!

 

[catfish]

second off. Laws are laws for a reason. Just cause you dont agree with them, doesnt make them any less valid. Yes most people do drive the speed limit. No speed limits arent only for 16 year olds and 80 year olds. I have the feeling from reading your post that you drive like a little kid and therefore get ticketed a lot and this is where all this hostility towards cops comes from. Plus you are probably very hostile with them when they pull you over, so that probably adds to your problems. You can drop the pig comments though, cause many people on this forum are involved with law enforcement in one way or another, and many others are supporters of law enforcement. Most of this forum is smart enough that childish comments like pig are beneath us, and we understand the function police serve in our society. Sure some of us may complain when we get ticketed, but you pay to play. Besides. The officer that pulls you over doesn't know if you have the driving skills to put you in an F1 circuit or if you are just as horrible a driver as you were when you were a "wet behind the ears 16 year old", which my guess, given the information you provided elsewhere in your post, your skills are severly lacking.

1st off try telling that to Thoreau. 2ndly do you honestly feel the speed limits near you represent the maximum driving speed of the flow of traffic? On some roads sure, but have you never been on an interstate before? Furthermore not all laws are legitimate, or even passed with the interest of the public in mind (see http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/report-billings-mt-rushes-to-install-red-light-camera-before-n/) Seems revenue generation is also a valid reason as far as governments are concerned. there was a study done of the towns near me comparing the percent of their operating budget that comes from tickets. Wish I still had it, but it was very significant for some towns, and much lower in a few others. Gotta love inequity in enforcement huh?

furthermore your argument loses a lot of credibility as you make assumptions and insult him. just makes you look like an ass tbh.

Furthermore you make it sound like the cops are always right and he's wrong, nice assumption. Sure there's a fair bit of decent cops, but did you miss the story/video about the guy who was held up while his mom was dying? or how about this one where the cop grossly oversteps his bounds and the reporter/photographers rights: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/report-billings-mt-rushes-to-install-red-light-camera-before-n/

I'll explain the logic behind the tickets to you though. The licence plate ticket is priced high because it obscures the police view of your license plate. This is something you have to actively do, not something you forgot. The potential fine for tint is because to dark of tint is obscuring your view, which endangers other motorists. The seatbelt fine is low because its easy for many people to forget, and you are the only one who gets hurt by not wearing one.

the seatbelt ticket is cheap because it was an unpopular law when enacted. But seriously, don't even pretend like you believe the ticking price structure is there for your safety or benefit. Go spend a day in an NJ traffic court; you wouldn't believe the they pull switching around moving offenses for non moving offenses that cost more (and keep "bad" drivers on the road to collect more offenses) Ever see a speeding ticket get changed to a "disrupting traffic" ticket? (which conveniently pays 2x as much to the municipality?) Thats the MO for traffic courts here...

 

[3xzsucof]

wow! ive been in nj traffic courts b4 they go crazy with money making! oh and ive done that b4 changed my ticket to something else, had to pay lik 600 wing wang when it was all over!!

 

[1314]

Wow! I can't believe this silly thread is still going. And for some reason I thought I was in the New Member Classroom forum.

 

[elraido]

I got pulled over yesterday for tint and no front plate. Sheriff asked me if I have been pulled over before for it, and I said yes but that was late in the fall and I had to wait until it was warmer out to fix it. He let me go with a warning.

 

[redrocket]

sucks, i have lived in MI my whole life and have had only maybe 3-5 cars with stock exhaust out of maybe 50 in the last 14 years....Only one ticket for illegal sized wheels on a car. Which was weird since i think it was just harassment. Mi is normally a good place to mod cars for sure though

 

[FIND]

1st off try telling that to Thoreau. 2ndly do you honestly feel the speed limits near you represent the maximum driving speed of the flow of traffic? On some roads sure, but have you never been on an interstate before? Furthermore not all laws are legitimate, or even passed with the interest of the public in mind (see http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/report-billings-mt-rushes-to-install-red-light-camera-before-n/) Seems revenue generation is also a valid reason as far as governments are concerned. there was a study done of the towns near me comparing the percent of their operating budget that comes from tickets. Wish I still had it, but it was very significant for some towns, and much lower in a few others. Gotta love inequity in enforcement huh?

Using revenues collected from traffic violations is a fair practice. Why shouldnt they? Why shouldnt there be fines attached to criminal activity? Would you rather pay higher taxes? Those who endanger public welfare should have to pay more to promote public welfare than those of us who dont endanger public welfare. No I dont feel that the speed limits represent the maximum driving speed, (flow of traffic is a mute point given where I live), but I do feel the speed limits represent speeds that carry with them some degree of safety when they are followed. Every time you raise speed limits, there is a rise in the number of accidents and traffic fatalities. The question when determining speed limits is the acceptable risk margin vs public demand for the ability to get where they are going as fast as possible. Oh, and yes I travel on the interstate frequently. I do a great deal of travel state to state. Also since I spent some time as a truck driver, I can say with some degree of confidence, that yes, I am familiar with driving in a wide range of conditions, in a variety of locations. Speed limits keep people safe. Lower speeds are safer than higher speeds.

furthermore your argument loses a lot of credibility as you make assumptions and insult him. just makes you look like an ass tbh.

My assumptions were based on reasonable conclusions derived from the fact he was proudly declaring how often he has been pulled over and ticketed, and therefore had more experience with police than most people, and the fact that he took such a disrespectful tone and said that almost all cops are bad guys. Generally speaking, people with a great deal of disapproval with police, use derogitory terms when describing police, and believe that police are out to get them, are the same people who conduct themselves in an unlawful manner. I stand by my assumptions.

Furthermore you make it sound like the cops are always right and he's wrong, nice assumption. Sure there's a fair bit of decent cops, but did you miss the story/video about the guy who was held up while his mom was dying? or how about this one where the cop grossly oversteps his bounds and the reporter/photographers rights: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/report-billings-mt-rushes-to-install-red-light-camera-before-n/

I never said cops were always right, however I will say now, MOST cops are good people trying to do their job well, and are nice guys (and gals) with a firm commitment to promoting the general interests of our society and making the world a better place and the people in it happier. Most people dont take a high risk, high stress, low pay job like that if they dont have the desire to do "good" with their lives. Some cops are jackasses, some cops overstep their bounds, some cops take a "whatever it takes" approach to their jobs, however they are the exception rather than the rule.

the seatbelt ticket is cheap because it was an unpopular law when enacted. But seriously, don't even pretend like you believe the ticking price structure is there for your safety or benefit. Go spend a day in an NJ traffic court; you wouldn't believe the they pull switching around moving offenses for non moving offenses that cost more (and keep "bad" drivers on the road to collect more offenses) Ever see a speeding ticket get changed to a "disrupting traffic" ticket? (which conveniently pays 2x as much to the municipality?) Thats the MO for traffic courts here...

While I dont have a lot of experience with traffic courts since I follow the traffic laws at all times, I do fully believe that pricing structures are in place according to the percieved seriousness of an offense and its effect on public welfare. You could view the NJ traffic court situation you sited as giving those "bad drivers" a chance at modifying their behavior and trying to help those people out. The only tickets I have gotten in my life were 2 disregarding stop sign tickets, one for impeding the flow of traffic(first time in LA, I got lost, and was driving the speed limit on the highway), and one for driving without insurance that I got instead of the ticket for not signaling a turn(young and dumb). All of the tickets I got were well deserved, and all had a potential effect on the welfare of others. BTW, seatbelt laws have been in the state I live in for more than a couple decades now. The ticket is still low. Not because it is an unpopular law that has been enacted(as most people accept it as a matter of fact type of thing). As with any law, if public support of the law is low enough, and the public disagrees with it to a great enough extent, that law will disappear. Nice thing about democracy.

Do you honestly believe that laws are made purely in the interest of making money for the state?

 

[Detailed]

Ok it is kind wierd that he got pulled over doing 35mph at about 2,000 rpm im not mad it wasnt me (sorry bro) but the thing i find to be B.S. is he was told he could keep the exhaust thats on the car and pay a big fine or fix it (put the resonators in the tips:laugh and pay a small fine. The fact that the car is a sport as the officer pointed out and not a svt should have nothing 2 do with getting a ticket. I think I has to do with cash a bassani at 2k RPM is not Loud

 

[Rachie]

They're = they are
Their = suggests ownership
There = place

This makes me happy :]

 

[zorrex]

This makes me happy :]

I like this newb already. :laugh: