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  • #61
    When plastic manifold usually come apart where they are glued together as they are two pieces. I have seen the FSVT IM take 22 psi.
    95 SeVT 3.0L
    Audi A4 From Hell

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    • #62
      Originally posted by CSVT#49 View Post
      OK well I'm going to let the cat out of the bag. The ST220 intake is no different then the standard Mondeo intake manifold. As a matter of fact after talking with the UK guys the only difference (engine wise) between the ST220 and the standard Mondeo are three things. Completely different exhaust, different intake air box, and transmission. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. So moral of the story, don't get suckered into paying insane amounts of money for a "ST220" intake.
      Well, that's a bunch of bad information. The "std" mondeo v6 was the 2.5L which always used the same dual runner design intake manifold, cams, and pistons as the non-svt contour did. Even after the Contour was discontinued. The Mondeo ST200 used the same intake, cams, & pistons as Contour SVT.

      The ST220 had it's own special intake and unique camshafts. Cranks & pistons were the same as the 3.0L Taurus & Escape.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by procyon View Post
        Well, that's a bunch of bad information. The "std" mondeo v6 was the 2.5L which always used the same dual runner design intake manifold, cams, and pistons as the non-svt contour did. Even after the Contour was discontinued. The Mondeo ST200 used the same intake, cams, & pistons as Contour SVT.

        The ST220 had it's own special intake and unique camshafts. Cranks & pistons were the same as the 3.0L Taurus & Escape.
        Well when I said standard I was referring to the 3.0L V6 Mondeo. I talked with the UK Mondeo owners and the engines of the 3.0L ST220 Mondeo versus the 3.0L Mondeo are exactly the same. The only differences with the ST220 are the exhaust and the intake air box. Don't believe me... fine go talk to the people across the pond like I did and they'll set you straight

        EDIT: just to point you in the right direction here is one of the threads I started with some good information for you to read up on... linky

        EDIT2: Better yet I'll just quote it for you...
        Originally posted by logiclee from MEG
        There were major mechanical differences between the old 2.5V6 and ST200 but not between the 3.0V6 and ST220.
        Myself and an old member on here went through the part numbers. The differences between the 3.0V6 and ST220 are airbox (5speed only), exhaust and alternator. The intake side of things including the manifolds and throttle body are the same on both varients as well.

        The exhaust is a massive difference though, the 3.0V6 uses the standard 2.5V6 system which is quite restrictive.
        Both banks are joined at the manifolds and all 6 cylinders are fed through a common precat then through the main cat, then through the middle silencer, then through the left handle silencer and then piped over to the other side of the car and through the back box.
        On the ST220 each bank is kept seperate through twin sports cats and then passed through freeflowing twin entry and exit silencers and to the twin rear silencers.



        The power curves for both engines are indenticle all the way upto 5000rpm (There's 3bhp in it at 5k), at the final power peak the standard unit starts to tail off while the ST220 breaths better and longer.

        Looking at the extra inlet on the airbox I'm not sure what good that did as it's tiny and they deleted it on the 6 speed models anyway.
        As for the Alternator difference? Don't have a clue unless it's a clearance issue on the exhaust manifolds.

        Cheers
        Lee
        -Mike
        If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
        98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
        85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

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        • #64
          Originally posted by contour2gq View Post
          Can you do as one member suggested and fill both intakes up with water to see which one holds more volume?And where did you say you got your motor from?
          Water filled results for the ST220/Mondeo intake are in...

          The intake held 7.5L of water. I would give a plus or minus of 150mL for a tolerance though given the condition and the measuring device.
          -Mike
          If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
          98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
          85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

          Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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          • #65
            mike would you mind filling yoru plastic manifold too?
            R.I.P. CSVT "clockwork" totaled 10/29/10 n/a 3L 220whp 212 trq

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            • #66
              Originally posted by TRicker View Post
              mike would you mind filling yoru plastic manifold too?
              +1 I want to know the difference. I will try to fill up my EH SVT UIM to compare as well! How did you cap off every hole? So I can do it in a similar manner. No Hurry tho, I know how much time this can take. I just wish my car was in my own garage where I can work on it day in and day out. I gotta buy a house!

              - amyn
              '99 (Mystichrome Bay) CSVT - 0532 - I can finally say that my car is a car again!!! www.facebook.com/fapauto - www.fapauto.com

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              • #67
                Originally posted by TRicker View Post
                mike would you mind filling yoru plastic manifold too?
                Originally posted by qbcsvt View Post
                +1 I want to know the difference. I will try to fill up my EH SVT UIM to compare as well! How did you cap off every hole? So I can do it in a similar manner. No Hurry tho, I know how much time this can take. I just wish my car was in my own garage where I can work on it day in and day out. I gotta buy a house!

                - amyn
                Come on you guys... do you really think I wasn't going to do the escape manifold too and leave you guys hanging! You should know me better then that... It's just a royal PITA to do though I will say that. I did the ST220 intake because I wanted to ship it out to Extrude Hone today. So as soon as I finished with the test I packaged it up.

                I had a late day at work and just got home about an hour ago. However I should be able to run the test on the escape manifold tomorrow or Wed.

                Also when I get my ST220 intake back from Extrude hone I may do it again, but I doubt there will be a huge difference.
                -Mike
                If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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                • #68
                  This is going to be the thread of all threads! I wish you the absolute best of luck with this build Mike and can't wait to see it finished. I will be keeping close track of this thread for sure!
                  2006 Cobalt SS/SC AEM intake and nothing else atm......
                  2004 GSXR 1000
                  2005 Foci ZX5
                  GONE 98 #0895 3L, 99 #2439, 98 #0474 3L, 98 #0844

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                  • #69
                    I have a few questions about the ST220, maybe someone can answer them. Did this ST220 incorporated vvt? Did it use DAMB or RFF? and What is the cam profile compared to the SVT Contour cams?
                    98 Black CSVT #1244 3L (Sold - seabass 00SVT)
                    88 Festiva LX 5 Speed - Go cart (Sold)
                    04 Passat B5.5 1.8T - Grocery Getter
                    94 Emerald Green SHO MTX (Rot Free) -Daily Drivr

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                    • #70
                      There isn't much info on the ST220 online but from what I could find it looks like the ST220 did not have VVT. No word on DAMB or RFF but I'd guess RFF.
                      Visit: 3LDuratec.com for a prepped 3L ready to drop in!

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                      • #71
                        ST220 was RFF non-VCT.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by CSVT#49 View Post
                          Well when I said standard I was referring to the 3.0L V6 Mondeo. I talked with the UK Mondeo owners and the engines of the 3.0L ST220 Mondeo versus the 3.0L Mondeo are exactly the same. The only differences with the ST220 are the exhaust and the intake air box.
                          That's funny...spent nearly a decade working with the Duratec engine and I never knew there was a 3.0L Mondeo vehicle not designated as an ST220. Whenever it was talked about in engineering circles, it was always referred to as being for the ST220 Mondeo.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by procyon View Post
                            That's funny...spent nearly a decade working with the Duratec engine and I never knew there was a 3.0L Mondeo vehicle not designated as an ST220. Whenever it was talked about in engineering circles, it was always referred to as being for the ST220 Mondeo.
                            Learn something new every day

                            Not a bunch of bad information after all eh
                            -Mike
                            If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                            98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                            85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                            Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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                            • #74
                              Update on Exhaust

                              Say hello to the first new part of my 3-3.5" SS cat-back exhaust. I finally gave in. I'm going to remove my Borla cat-back and recreate it with 3-3.5" T304 stainless steel. I'll buy new Borla mufflers and a Borla resonator. As an added perk I'm also going to install an electric cutout to provide more flow at the track.

                              -Mike
                              If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                              98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                              85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                              Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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                              • #75
                                Update on Engine

                                Well my old engine builder that did my Camaro's engine doesn't work with the new age engines. They prefer and continue to work on the old 350's. So Competition Engines of Eagan, MN is out for me. After calling around and talking with a lot of repetable shops I've chosen Wagamon Brothers to hone out the block and balance my rotating assembly. Their V6 performance guy was out today, but I will be calling back tomorrow and making an appointment to meet with him in person this Friday. Based on our discussions I will be making the decision on my rod and piston combo. I may have them do my head work too as a one stop shop
                                -Mike
                                If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                                98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                                85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                                Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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