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Longitudinal transmissions that fit 3.0?

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I've wanted to pick up another ranger for a while. I'd like to find a 95-97 (OBDII, but still using the beam suspension) with a blown V6 and swap in a different V6.

I know the cast iron SOHC 4.0 from a later ranger/explorer is a direct swap pretty much, but I wonder if a duratec 3.0 from a lincoln LS would bolt to a ranger/f-150 5spd or maybe a mustang trans?

I'm also curious how hard it would be to run the loom from an Eddie Bauer V8 between a Ranger and a 4.6 from a Mustang...

just curiosity now, obviously dont have funds for anything like this. humor me if you happen to know.

thanks guys
 
if the duratec and the vulcan have the same bolt pattern then i believe so, yes.
 
well the vulcan and the duratec both come on the same trans in the taurus, and the duratec 3.0 and the duratec 2.3 I4 Both come in the escape, and the vulcan and the I4 duratec both come in various years of the ranger, so that would lead me to believe shoving a lincoln LS 3.0 into a 96 ranger with the mazda built 5 speed would be no problem. I trust that trans because it was used in basemodel v8 f150's as well. I think the f150 one is spec'd slightly higher, so I'd find one of those to use for the project.

I guess another question would be go for dough between a lincoln 3.0 and a mustang 4.6, for a little over 50 hp and ease of install.

with the duratec I could use the cologn/vulcan (the same right?) harness and splice so connections and get the ecu tuned (I even have a spare Xcal II now thanks to a yard sale)

with the 4.6 I'd have to do about the same, plu find a V* explorer engine loom and pcm with key... you cant tune a v6 pcm into a v8 pcm can you?
 
yeah I know they put 4.6's in them and I also know they use the explorer v8 loom and computer most of the time. my question was effectively if doing a duratec swap would be harder, easier, more practical ect.

I'm pretty sure with the 4.6 they swap in the f150 trand, which is the same trans as the ranger trans, but spec'd up a little, they used the same trans in the supercoup too...

I'm hunting pictures to veify both bell housings are the same and tail shaft lengthes are the same of if a custom drive shaft would need to be made. I know it would need a disk brake rear axle from an explorer too, they have a bigger diff.
 
on trucks the 4.6 they used was from a marauder and then they upgraded to a cobra engine i believe. and with the 4.6 i thought they used a mustang trans. i don't recall, it's been a while since i've seen it.
 
Im pretty sure the 4 cylinder Duratec and the V6 Duratec have a different bellhousing pattern. and the Vulcan has a different pattern as well.
 
but they all bolt to the same transmissions was my thinking. technically the bolts a taurus uses to hold the engine to the trans are different than the mtx 75 but most of the holse still line up, know what I mean?

I got bored the other day and decided to photo shop a picture of this dream truck. I wish I had the money to make it happen



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my imagination wants to drag me off to a drive train like this swap: 2nd gen 4X4 SOHC 4.6 swap

but with an aluminum Dohc from a later Mark VIII, and the AWD center diff from a mountaineer, which would match the upgraded front beam/diff assy. and big rear end, also from a mountaineer, and then sitting on some air ride.

290HP, AWD/full time 4wd, manual trans, 2900lb street truck FTW!

it would be effectively like we added AWD, a manual trans, and did a thousand pound weight reduction to the lincoln Mark VIII.

oh, and added a bed to haul stuff around in. and a trailer hitch...

I need to win the lottery tomorrow
 
KAOS_3.0 said:
but they all bolt to the same transmissions was my thinking. technically the bolts a taurus uses to hold the engine to the trans are different than the mtx 75 but most of the holse still line up, know what I mean?
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the bellhousing pattern of the Duratec in the Taurus is the same as the 2.5 Duratec in the Contour. the only difference is the oil pan bolts and thats due to the oil pan itself, not the block. as an example, the Zetec and Duratec in the Contours all bolt up to the MTX75 transmission, but the Zetec has a different bellhousing pattern and as such you CANNOT use a Zetec MTX75 on the Duratec (or the other way as well). Just because 2 engines use the same transmission, does not mean they both have the same bellhousing pattern. again, the Vulcan in the Ranger may use the same transmission as the Duratec I4 but they do not have the same bellhousing pattern and as such they are not direct swaps for each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_bellhousing_patterns
 
what I'm saying is the 5mod bell housing is integral to the housing, and the applications that accept it accept the modular v8, as well as the vulcan v6. are you saying the trans in the taurus has a different bell housing for the different engines?
 
KAOS_3.0 said:
what I'm saying is the 5mod bell housing is integral to the housing, and the applications that accept it accept the modular v8, as well as the vulcan v6. are you saying the trans in the taurus has a different bell housing for the different engines?
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Just read his link.

btw, in case anyone asks, the 3.7 duratec has the same bolt pattern as other duratecs as well.
 
KAOS_3.0 said:
what I'm saying is the 5mod bell housing is integral to the housing, and the applications that accept it accept the modular v8, as well as the vulcan v6. are you saying the trans in the taurus has a different bell housing for the different engines?
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Yes. the Contour is the same way. both engines use the same transmission (with some minor internal differences like input shaft length) but the bellhousing half of the case is different to accommodate the different patterns.
 
well then I guess the 4.6 DOHC from a mark VIII is the way to go. I would have rather kept the weight down in the front, but the 4.6 is all aluminum and still heavy as crap...
 
it's a late year, it's the stx package, supposed to be like an Xtream s10 sort of. it never had side skirts though, so the bumper cover is way to deep for the factory body. instead they put stupid step rails on it. It wont match right without the STX grill though, which is also a direct bolt on for your 2010...
 
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