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Found A good way to set up Ram Air :D

PEN² said:
I'm still missing the part where this is half-assed? I guess it's because he's just doing something on his own instead of buying something already made that you put on with a few bolts. I'm willing to bet he'll be more than happy with it for the sole reason he did it himself.

I suppose that means I'm going to also be half assing a project real soon when I make my snorkel out of parts from Home Depot for $400 less than the cost of just buying something premade that's "pretty."
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thank you. why spend hundreds of dollars on a part that has been "tested and designed" by a big name company when you can build the exact same thing for a portion of the price.

and so what if it doesn't look right at first. if the OP doesn't like it i'm willing to bet he'll redo it until he has the look that he is after with the functionality of his idea.
 
PEN² said:
I'm still missing the part where this is half-assed? I guess it's because he's just doing something on his own instead of buying something already made that you put on with a few bolts. I'm willing to bet he'll be more than happy with it for the sole reason he did it himself.

I suppose that means I'm going to also be half assing a project real soon when I make my snorkel out of parts from Home Depot for $400 less than the cost of just buying something premade that's "pretty."
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Cost has nothing to do with it. I'm the kind of person that would rather save a few dollars if I can do it myself and do it right. What I'm saying is, he's going to take foglights that are intended to mount behind the fascia and now mount them on the lower grill area which exposes the very unappealing light housing. Each has a bracket that attaches to the top and bottom of the foglight so that has to be taken into consideration also. To me, making an inconspicuous bracket that has to mount to both the top and bottom of the foglight and mounts to the fascia is going to be difficult especially when the bracket is probably going to be made from materials from Home Depot. The other part is getting rid of the "it's obvious I took OEM foglights and mounted them on my fascia" look. It will look out of place imho. Let's not forget the wiring will now be exposed to rain/snow as well.
 
He never specified he'd be mounting them on the outside of the mesh, which is what I think you're implying. I think if he mounts them on the backside of the mesh, with a little creativity on how to do that...it'll be fine.
 
Rara said:
fwiw, the "ram air" effect doesn't do much of anything below ~200mph.
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i have a cold air intake in my lower grille... the improved throttle response makes overtaking in fifth at highway speeds a breeze... not a turbo by any means though ...G.
 
gorman said:
i have a cold air intake in my lower grille... the improved throttle response makes overtaking in fifth at highway speeds a breeze... not a turbo by any means though ...G.
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yes, but you arent actually getting any ram air effect from it, just air that is colder than the air in the engine bay. while colder air is a good thing, feed tubes from the from the front are not going to get you anything other than colder air. you could have feed tubes from the side of the bumper, or under the engine bay and get the same effect.
 
get a cheap wind speed meter, put it on your intake, and gauge the wind speed going into your intake. That will tell you exactly how effective ram air would (not) be. You will need to move air quite a bit faster than that to really make positive pressure in your manifold to give you any positive effects, and even if you are just looking to overcome some of the pumping losses by the engine, you still won't get far unless air is moving quite a bit faster than your intake air is sucked in.
 
Four pages in and no pics. Next time you have an idea, execute it first, then post about it.
P.s. don't move your fog lights. Just buy a proper CAI like a normal person.
 
Tourgasm said:
Four pages in and no pics. Next time you have an idea, execute it first, then post about it.
P.s. don't move your fog lights. Just buy a proper CAI like a normal person.
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I'm sure he posted this in hopes of having ideas bounced around before executing it, to optimize the idea. Instead, he was run out of the conversation simply for thinking outside of the CEG box.

P.S.

Don't be so rude and help the kid like a normal person.
 
cobrawannabe said:
I'm sure he posted this in hopes of having ideas bounced around before executing it, to optimize the idea. Instead, he was run out of the conversation simply for thinking outside of the CEG box.

P.S.

Don't be so rude and help the kid like a normal person.
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I'm just having fun.
I understand where he's at. I used to be a broke contour owner looking for cheap ways to make my car faster but the fact is, paradoxically, trying to save money is a waste of money.
 
striker2 said:
yes, but you arent actually getting any ram air effect from it, just air that is colder than the air in the engine bay. while colder air is a good thing, feed tubes from the from the front are not going to get you anything other than colder air. you could have feed tubes from the side of the bumper, or under the engine bay and get the same effect.
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Not true, i have two pipes which go down to a forward facing scoop which sits behind the lower grille mesh. My pipes don't just point down like the extra snorkel on the ST200 intake. Both pipes go from the scoop to the air filter box so air doesn't just get forced out. I get a round dirty patch on the underside of my K&N which indicates that air is being forced in since you don't get that with the ST200 intake.

As for the butt dyno remark ... the speed i gain with very little throttle movement is surprizing... i get from 70 to 90 as if i cogged down a gear. I do have a fidanza which helps but i had the intake before and the acceleration was improved. Dan, just as with your 4 pot 6 pot comparison ... you'd have make one and see the before and after for yourself. (nutz fiesta btw)

To the OP... make one .. it's cheap and if you and i are wrong then it will have cost you very little. I think you'll find you can make one as good, if not better than those expensive kits on the auction sites. I remember seeing someone using a Lightning airbox which had the MAF and filter inside it ....mmmmm. Go for it ..... G.
 
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gorman said:
Not true, i have two pipes which go down to a forward facing scoop which sits behind the lower grille mesh. My pipes don't just point down like the extra snorkel on the ST200 intake. Both pipes go from the scoop to the air filter box so air doesn't just get forced out. I get a round dirty patch on the underside of my K&N which indicates that air is being forced in since you don't get that with the ST200 intake.
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I have to dissagree. this just means air is getting to the filter, nothing else. I have a SVT airbox with some holes cut in it and those are the most dirty spots on the filter also. and thats pulling air from in the engine bay ....
 
BrApple said:
I have to dissagree. this just means air is getting to the filter, nothing else. I have a SVT airbox with some holes cut in it and those are the most dirty spots on the filter also. and thats pulling air from in the engine bay ....
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to my mind, if the filter was sucking the dirt.. then it would be more evenly distributed. Since mine is very localized.. i'm assuming the speed of the air coming in is great enough that the bugs and dirt go straight to the filter above the lower pipe. I'm now thinking maybe it would have been better to put the second pipe in the end of the airbox closest to the engine instead in the bottom, that way the bugs wouldn't be fired straight at the filter. Next time i clean my filter i'll take a photo. .. we can compare our dead fly and bug counts ...lol.... G.
 
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gorman said:
here you go.. this guy has done the math for you .. http://www.karlsnet.com/mopar/ramair.shtml ... G.
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My first model, for a scoop on top of the front line of the hood shows that there would have to be 45 degrees total of bend to get from the scoop to the intake, that would create a 14.78% loss of air flow from the scoop to the inlet. The only other location is directly under the hood, which would require 135 degrees total of bend to get from the scoop to the intake, that would create a 42.69% loss of air flow from the scoop to the inlet. To me, a 28% difference in air flow wasn't worth a 3" hole in my hood for an experiment (especially since we've already seen that our scoop angle has 545% more air flow than the Trans Am ram air).
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Second Design: The first design worked great, but I modified the air box (read the air box modification - it is now only 4.78% restrictive, it was 78.3% restrictive stock) and I want to make up that 28% difference in air flow I lost placing the scoop under the hood with 135 degrees of bend.
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Final Project Conclusions: I finished all the projects by mid December 2001 and have the Quad Ram Air in permanently on my 1993 Dodge Shadow 2.2L NA. The K&N filter, Quad Ram Air, heavily modified air box, and crankcase vent mod / filter / ram all work together very nicely for a huge gain in performance and fuel economy. I saw a 57.9% increase in fuel economy (but I wasn't getting the stock EPA fuel economy rating, it nets a 20% improvement over the EPA rating). Horsepower based on 1/4 mile time says I gained 36.6% (34 HP), which I account mainly to the very poor breathing of the stock 2.2. My mods to my car may be a little severe for some people, and like every mod on a car you are trading off one thing for another.
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Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

Do you honestly believe that an intake gained him 36% more horsepower? 34 HP from an intake in a car without a bad intake system to begin with. 34 HP on an engine that gets ~93 hp from the factory with JUST an intake? 57.9% increase in fuel economy????????? Heck 20% over the EPA rating is pretty hard to buy. The car gets 26mpg from the factory, therefore he is claiming to have gotten an additional 5mpg over stock by just putting on an intake, and he is claiming an intake is giving him 12mpg over what he was getting. He must have gotten one of those intake tornadoes and fuel line magnets :rolleyes:
 
Tourgasm said:
I'm just having fun.
I understand where he's at. I used to be a broke contour owner looking for cheap ways to make my car faster but the fact is, paradoxically, trying to save money is a waste of money.
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Sorry, it just seemed like a typical CEG post, missed the humor. :cool:
 
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