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Engine needs to be replaced. Its making a loud rattaling noise.!?

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Matsch22

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Well I took it in and I knew it wouldnt be good news. They say the motor needs to be replaced :(. There looking around for an SVT replacment motor, but I'm sure they wont find one. What do I do now??

The car is a silver 98 with about 101,000 miles on it. Would it be worth it to drop a new motor in it? Im not really thinking so. Is there another motor besides another SVT motor I could drop in there? Taurus or something? Just out of curiosity. Labor would be around $1300 + new engine.

What would you do?
 
buddy i need to know please, when u say a rattling noise, where did it come from? What caused it to make the noise, is it an expensive part to replace or can u replace it at home? Does it happen on idle or does it happen at a certain revs? Please if u can put up any info on this it would really be appreciated as id really like to know whats happened to it thanks :)
 
Compare pricing to a 3L route.

Getting an SVT engine will be VERY expensive (VERY!!!!!).. Don't let the shop shaft you and get an SE, then toss your intake on top.. you'll miss a ton of the grunt you get from the SVT goodies, and you're still paying $1300 in labor on top of that!

Price out a 2001+ Escape 3L and there's your engine!
Peruse the 3L forum we have, its got a ton of info in it. finished 3L swaps are making 180-190 WHEEL horsepower and gobs more torque. So, for a much cheaper route, you get much more power and torque.

No brainer, here, I would think.
 
Where are you located? There are a few people on here who do 3L swaps, and that includes me. Are you close to Michigan!?!?
 
Well, its coming Directly from the engine and to me it sounds as if someone droped a bolt in the engine and its rattaling around. When I droped it off at a shop the mecanic called me back and said he stared it and imedietly shut it off. "It sounds like its getting worse, as if its self destructing." They towed it to a different shop and they told me that it was the rod bearing.
 
Matsch22 said:
I live in Hastings MN
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Well hello :) I live in Inver Grove Heights... If you would be interested I have a 2.5L SVT shortblock + heads out of my 00' that I might sell. It had 51k miles when I removed it. PM me if interested I don't want to turn this into a for sale thread ;)

Otherwise if you need a hand figuring something out I'm not too far away. Actually you'd probably recognize 3/4 of those pictures I just posted in the pictures/video section as they were in your hometown :cool: http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?t=18082 Mostly Hastings and Prescott, WI


Edit: Oh yeah I almost forgot, We have www.3lduratec.com right up on the other side of the cities. His name on here is blackcoog and has swapped in plenty of 3L's.
 
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Matsch22 said:
Well, its coming Directly from the engine and to me it sounds as if someone droped a bolt in the engine and its rattaling around. When I droped it off at a shop the mecanic called me back and said he stared it and imedietly shut it off. "It sounds like its getting worse, as if its self destructing." They towed it to a different shop and they told me that it was the rod bearing.
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so im guessin when u turn yur car on it starts to make the rattling noise instantly? Mine has started to make the rattling noise, but only when u rev it up to 2-2.5 k on the rev counter, it sounds like a rattle, its only happened when i had a sparkplug blown out of cylinder 1 and i had it helicoiled and it sounds like it wants to do it again, ive checked the plugs for the right gaps, there brandnew, the leads are magnecore competition ones which are brandnew, i changed the new coil pack brandnew yesterday and that solved my hesitation problem, but now im getting this rattling, if im like at 4k revs and i let go of the gas pedel it stops rattlin but if i touch the gas pedel it starts agian, its goin into the ford dealers, but it sounds like either the helicoiled bit, may be loose :shrug:

my friend said it could be my precats on the headers, to me it sounds like a rattling tappet, but as said on idle it doesnt make a noise, the car sounds like it should normal, anyone got any ideas, its really worryin me :(
 
Matsch22 said:
Well I took it in and I knew it wouldnt be good news. They say the motor needs to be replaced :(. There looking around for an SVT replacment motor, but I'm sure they wont find one. What do I do now??

The car is a silver 98 with about 101,000 miles on it. Would it be worth it to drop a new motor in it? Im not really thinking so. Is there another motor besides another SVT motor I could drop in there? Taurus or something? Just out of curiosity. Labor would be around $1300 + new engine.

What would you do?
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Sounds a lot like what my problem is.
Check out http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?t=17394

For me it was suspected to be the timing chain...

Oh well. At least I got my bike up and running now even I did end up dropping it, breaking the gear shift lever :D. No insurance, no license, and barely any experience for the win!
 
Engine noises can be caused by any number of problems and many don't require engine replacement. A rattle sound didn't make it to my lexicon of engine noises in another post as to its cause but with only a small bit of sleuthing, it might be possible to narrow the list down to only a couple of possibilities. If the engine runs smoothly when it runs, the valve train can probably be eliminated. Engine bearings make a knocking sound (usually) so the only other device(s) that would rattle would be the timing chains, either because of a chain or its tensioner going bad. You only say that the rattle is coming directly from the engine but don't mention which end or whether it's coming from the top or bottom. I might add that an EGR can make a rattling noise too. Were I you, I'd double check everything before spending the amount of dough it will require to replace the engine.
Karl
 
98SVTC said:
Engine noises can be caused by any number of problems and many don't require engine replacement. A rattle sound didn't make it to my lexicon of engine noises in another post as to its cause but with only a small bit of sleuthing, it might be possible to narrow the list down to only a couple of possibilities. If the engine runs smoothly when it runs, the valve train can probably be eliminated. Engine bearings make a knocking sound (usually) so the only other device(s) that would rattle would be the timing chains, either because of a chain or its tensioner going bad. You only say that the rattle is coming directly from the engine but don't mention which end or whether it's coming from the top or bottom. I might add that an EGR can make a rattling noise too. Were I you, I'd double check everything before spending the amount of dough it will require to replace the engine.
Karl
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sir its commin from the left hand side of the engine where the timing chains are, if u were standing in front of yur car and looking at it, its sounds deff the top of the engine, if u put yur ear next to the first cylinder bank on the heads u can hear the rattle but only when u rev it up past 2k revs, anything under is not making the noise, sometimes u can rev past the 2k and it wont make the noise and then u let go of the throttle and push it again and it will make the noise, if u rev it up to like 3.4-4k and let go of the throttle it wont make the noise comming back down the rev range if this makes sense, any info on what u think it could be would be appreciated hope to hear from u soon Freddy
 
fred22 said:
sir its commin from the left hand side of the engine where the timing chains are, if u were standing in front of yur car and looking at it, its sounds deff the top of the engine, if u put yur ear next to the first cylinder bank on the heads u can hear the rattle but only when u rev it up past 2k revs, anything under is not making the noise, sometimes u can rev past the 2k and it wont make the noise and then u let go of the throttle and push it again and it will make the noise, if u rev it up to like 3.4-4k and let go of the throttle it wont make the noise comming back down the rev range if this makes sense, any info on what u think it could be would be appreciated hope to hear from u soon Freddy
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Okay, so is it a true statement to say that, aside from this "rattle", the engine runs good? If so, like I said, you can probably rule out anything in the valve train like a broken lifter or follower as you'd likely get an engine miss. Therefore you need to determine if there is a problem with one of the cam chains or their tensioners. I think a slack tensioner would allow the chains to slap around on deceleration rather than an on the gas situation. Anyway, you've got to start somewhere. Just don't let the repair shop tell you that you need a new engine without checking out all the possibilities.
Karl
 
thanks buddy, yeah when i took it into the ford garage, the man heard it and said, nope engine gone, and i thought what, he said its piston slap, yeah u need a new engine, and he looked like a forgive me dumb apprentice sent out there to get rid of me, i started to explain to him the symptoms like it wont do it on the drop down from revin, it only does it after 2-2.5k on the rev counter, if it was piston slap or anything to do with that, i would have thought it would have done it all the time as its movin with the crankshaft, and ever at say 1.5k it should still do it, it waits till 2-2.5 to start doin it and it doesnt do it all the time, sometimes u can go past this and it wont do it, u let go of the throttle and then apply it again and it might do it, today i had my friend try to listen to it, but just my bad luck it wouldnt do the noise on him, aint that a ******, i know its there, i wanna take off the head cover to see if somethin is in there rattling and causin the noise, or take it to another place, im just stumped to what it is but when i find out i will deff let yall know, thanks for all the help, its really appreciated :)
 
You know, mine had a real bad rattle like that, and it turned out to be the bearings in the alternator. Just for the sake of it, pull the belt off and start the car. It may be a bearing in the alternator, tensioner, or idler pulley. They sound like they are coming from the engine, but it may not be. Mine rattled for about a week, when finally the engine stopped and wouldnt turn. I thought for sure the motor seized. I took the belt off and it started right up. The bearing in the alternator had seized, and the drag was enough to kill the engine. It's worth a shot before pulling an engine out, since it does take all of 5 min to pull the belt off.
 
turbo_fox said:
You know, mine had a real bad rattle like that, and it turned out to be the bearings in the alternator. Just for the sake of it, pull the belt off and start the car. It may be a bearing in the alternator, tensioner, or idler pulley. They sound like they are coming from the engine, but it may not be. Mine rattled for about a week, when finally the engine stopped and wouldnt turn. I thought for sure the motor seized. I took the belt off and it started right up. The bearing in the alternator had seized, and the drag was enough to kill the engine. It's worth a shot before pulling an engine out, since it does take all of 5 min to pull the belt off.
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will do actually buddy thanks for the info, because when i did the alternator change, i used an alternator from a scrap yard as it was the cheapest option and ive never had any problems with it, but if it was the bearing wouldnt it do the noise at 1.5k revs or at idle? Ill try it but it sounds like somethings ratteling or hitting in there :shrug:


as said thanks for yur help its appreciated :)
 
Take the serpentine belt off and fire it up to see if the rattle is gone. I had bad A/C compressor bearing once and it made a huge racket. Some of the belt pulley's and P/S pumps make a bunch of noise when the fail.
 
ive noticed if i take my foot off the throttle the noise is still there, im gonna have to try this in the weekend to see if its the pulleys on one of the ancilleries thats causin the noise, but im still sure its comming from the top of my engine, like cams side of things, as when i first come to start the car in the morning or when its been sittin and has cooled down it doesnt make it and when it warms up it starts to make it more :shrug:
 
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