fullyarmed101
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Crazy concept...
What do you think of taking the Mazda V6 and changing it to a RWD vehicle...
Do you think it's possible?
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was thinking... if you gonna go through all that trouble why not change the trans also and make it a 6speed... hmmm.. I might have to include this in my future project... It won't start till the warranty stops though... and I have the extended one.. So hopefully I can gather all the info I need to do what I want...
Maybe a TT V6 Mazda 6 AWD... It would be intresting... lol... Once it's out of warranty my wife said I can turn it into my project car. I was really excited about that especially since the tuner is out... 2 more years there should be a lot more stuff out I hope...
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3.0 V6 RWD with a 6 speed manual trans would be nice?
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Better engine? We have a great engine. The Nobles used the same block in one of there high performance cars... I think our engines are awesome and have been tuned in other application with high whp...
The thing with our car is the ECU and that is one of the reasons people get a lot of CEL when tunning.. But now you can get the tuner...
Also those darn precat and pvc valves.. Mazda error not the engine...
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honestly, I want to have a project car with my son. I have a mazda and when he is about 3 or 4 I wanted to take it apart and do stuff with it... I really don't care what the heck we do with it. It's a project car. A car to be a one and only that my son and I worked on. Not a street car. I think we have a great engine with great abilities. A few people are using it as a daily driver with 8psi. Either using a supercharger or turbo... What I'm doing is just trying to get idea's...
One of the things I ran into was our wheelbase. All the RWD or AWD that use our BLOCK engine wheelbase is 107.4" across 3 other ford platforms...
While our car wheelbase is 105.3"
the other thing was to maybe find another vehicle frame work that uses the 107.4 wheelbase then i might just have to extend the front which will give more room for working with when modding the car but I can get it to be RWD a lot easier...
The thing I don't know is if I can use one of there transmissions and then get a 2.2" shorter drive shaft...
Well there is a lot other things to think about.. but right now i'm trying to see if there is one working for our engine with the same wheel base. Then need to find out if it will work in our cars.. If I can do that I just saved myself a lot of money.. or if our car would be able to got with minor modifications in a car with a 107.4" wheel base car that has a stronger frame that uses our engine....
Again, these are all theory... Nothing totally figure out.
I just wish more people like, dude that would be awesome. you should go here for more information...
Why do it? Because I can.
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I'm researching this and I research what everyone tell's me. I'm 100 percent able to do this on my own and I always welcome everyone's idea and help. I'm fullly open to any suggestions and anythoughts that might be helpful if i do go ahead with the plans. The day i lose my intersted i will post it in this forum.
If I was to do this project I would do it in steps
1. Mod exsisting engine and learn how to tune engine properly with a single turbo setup. Learn everything about the engine because I'm going to be turning it 90degrees
2. Gut out the entire car completely ( I want to learn every inch about the car.
3. Do the RWD system and make the chassy stiffer.
5. Install the engine and test it before I finish putting it all back together.
4. Work the inside of the car and install roll bars and upgrade the inside the way I want (only gonna be a 2 seater now so might make it a coupe)
Yes, I can cut, weld, and bend...
5. Body kit, full effects, and paint job.
My son and I will have a lot of fun on this. This is for me to spend time with my boy while he grows up. So once I start I will be in no hurry. I tell you one thing. When it's all said and done. My son and I would have a great car that we know everything about and have spent great time with eachother. Then it's on to have fun....
Hopefully I can have a 3.0L Twincharging Mazda 6 V6 RWD Coupe with a 6 speed transmission and 800+hp...
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Yea the jag did you a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.
Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0
I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.
I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..
Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.
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No problem... The tranny I use will be a big debate for a while... One... i don't fully know how much space is there for I can narrow down one that would be perfect for it. Right now I want to look at the size of the AWD on the speed6.
now the jag rearend is smaller then ours by 2.1" I'm not sure about the lincoln. Do you have the year that you are talking about for the lincoln? i'm looking at the wheelbase information and rear track size...
If I can find all the information i need about all the cars then it will be a little easier to narrow down what needs to be done.... Making the project a little easier...
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Any picture would be a great help.. Surfing for that stuff is hard... lol...
If anyone can help out.. I need pictures of 3 cars.
Mazda 6, MS6, and the jag s-type
The better the detail of each section on the bottom would be great... Then we can compare and see what we can make from it...
If someone can figure out the what size tranny will be able to fit on the 6 would be awesome. Want to look at what trannies are out there. I heard a 5 speed is more recommended for more HP... ???
Justin, If you are able to take those pictures of the Jag let me know. I'm think of everything I might want pictures of... Like how the engine is mounted compaired to ours. Things like that.
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Posted on 6crew by me...
Looks like some of my good friends(welder) in el paso want to get in on the build... So it will be my friends and there kids and my son and I. I have a friend who father is a master tech for acura/honda, gonna see if he wants to get in on the build... The more people brainstorming the less issues I hope. I will also be posting everything here as much as I can. For now we have to continue our brainstorming because now this is going to happen.. When? When I get out of Iraq and buy me a daily driver since right now my car is a daily driver. I want a truck...
I don't think it will ever stop being a mazda 6, that is for sure. The engine and the body of the car will always be a mazda...
Some food for thought and any help on this, as always will be greatly appreciated...
Yea the jag did use a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.
Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0
I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.
I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..
Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD tranny.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny. See attached pic...
Any details on the 2 cars and specs would be great. So far I was only able to find the attached pic for the Mazdaspeed...
**Edit...
Found that Jaguar did make a manual with the 3.0 with RWD
http://www.cars.com/jaguar/s-type/20...A0&mode=search
The wheelbase is longer then ours 114.5
The Rear track is 60.7 which is about 2" shorter then ours.
So our engine has been used as a RWD... hmmm... Damn need to get the specs of the jaguar and see how the engine is mounted and how their RWD system is setup...
Will continue to dig further....
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things i'm looking into...
turning the engine 90 degrees is not going to be to hard. I have the jaguar stype and lincoln ls to see how it was setup in there car and maybe even use there engine mount.
for the tranny the jaguar using a getrag 221. i don't want to use the transmission.. Not good for putting up the hp. I'm thinking of the tremec T5 but i'm still working on that. Still need to get dimensions on what will fit there first. a getrag 233 would be awesome and last forever!!! lol.. anyways it's open to options..
For the front i'm just gonna disconnect it from the tranny... and keep it that way...
For the suspension and rwd i'm thinking of using the MS6 setup.
That is where I am at now..
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I have to look into the musting I know they use the tremec tranny a lot.
Yea with the supra I would never have to worry about the tranny just everything else lol... Though I think it will cost $$$ to find a used one. Also the GTR-Skyliner uses it...
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If I can find information like this for our tranny, and the T56, T5, TR6060 would be great....
Turbosupras Technical - Getrag V160 Transmission
MTX all the way. The 221 getrag used in the jag from year 2000–2002 is a 5 speed manual RWD. Though I won't use the Tranny is horrible for more hp... I'm just gonna use the car for reference on how they held the engine and tranny. I would love to put in a getrag 233 would be awesome but then I have to change the gearbox and adaptive plate because it's a 6speed that is used in the toyota TT supra.
What tranny do we have? I want to look up specs... If I can use the one we have now in the 6 then I don't have to worry about getting adaptive plates so it can fit a diff. tranny.
http://www.fordcontour.org/topic/13466-30-duratec-fwd-to-rwd-conversion/
http://www.6crew.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15794
What do you think of taking the Mazda V6 and changing it to a RWD vehicle...
Do you think it's possible?
-------------------
was thinking... if you gonna go through all that trouble why not change the trans also and make it a 6speed... hmmm.. I might have to include this in my future project... It won't start till the warranty stops though... and I have the extended one.. So hopefully I can gather all the info I need to do what I want...
Maybe a TT V6 Mazda 6 AWD... It would be intresting... lol... Once it's out of warranty my wife said I can turn it into my project car. I was really excited about that especially since the tuner is out... 2 more years there should be a lot more stuff out I hope...
------------------------
3.0 V6 RWD with a 6 speed manual trans would be nice?
------------------------
Better engine? We have a great engine. The Nobles used the same block in one of there high performance cars... I think our engines are awesome and have been tuned in other application with high whp...
The thing with our car is the ECU and that is one of the reasons people get a lot of CEL when tunning.. But now you can get the tuner...
Also those darn precat and pvc valves.. Mazda error not the engine...
-------------------------
honestly, I want to have a project car with my son. I have a mazda and when he is about 3 or 4 I wanted to take it apart and do stuff with it... I really don't care what the heck we do with it. It's a project car. A car to be a one and only that my son and I worked on. Not a street car. I think we have a great engine with great abilities. A few people are using it as a daily driver with 8psi. Either using a supercharger or turbo... What I'm doing is just trying to get idea's...
One of the things I ran into was our wheelbase. All the RWD or AWD that use our BLOCK engine wheelbase is 107.4" across 3 other ford platforms...
While our car wheelbase is 105.3"
the other thing was to maybe find another vehicle frame work that uses the 107.4 wheelbase then i might just have to extend the front which will give more room for working with when modding the car but I can get it to be RWD a lot easier...
The thing I don't know is if I can use one of there transmissions and then get a 2.2" shorter drive shaft...
Well there is a lot other things to think about.. but right now i'm trying to see if there is one working for our engine with the same wheel base. Then need to find out if it will work in our cars.. If I can do that I just saved myself a lot of money.. or if our car would be able to got with minor modifications in a car with a 107.4" wheel base car that has a stronger frame that uses our engine....
Again, these are all theory... Nothing totally figure out.
I just wish more people like, dude that would be awesome. you should go here for more information...
Why do it? Because I can.
----------------------
I'm researching this and I research what everyone tell's me. I'm 100 percent able to do this on my own and I always welcome everyone's idea and help. I'm fullly open to any suggestions and anythoughts that might be helpful if i do go ahead with the plans. The day i lose my intersted i will post it in this forum.
If I was to do this project I would do it in steps
1. Mod exsisting engine and learn how to tune engine properly with a single turbo setup. Learn everything about the engine because I'm going to be turning it 90degrees
2. Gut out the entire car completely ( I want to learn every inch about the car.
3. Do the RWD system and make the chassy stiffer.
5. Install the engine and test it before I finish putting it all back together.
4. Work the inside of the car and install roll bars and upgrade the inside the way I want (only gonna be a 2 seater now so might make it a coupe)
Yes, I can cut, weld, and bend...
5. Body kit, full effects, and paint job.
My son and I will have a lot of fun on this. This is for me to spend time with my boy while he grows up. So once I start I will be in no hurry. I tell you one thing. When it's all said and done. My son and I would have a great car that we know everything about and have spent great time with eachother. Then it's on to have fun....
Hopefully I can have a 3.0L Twincharging Mazda 6 V6 RWD Coupe with a 6 speed transmission and 800+hp...
--------------------
Yea the jag did you a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.
Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0
I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.
I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..
Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.
------------------
No problem... The tranny I use will be a big debate for a while... One... i don't fully know how much space is there for I can narrow down one that would be perfect for it. Right now I want to look at the size of the AWD on the speed6.
now the jag rearend is smaller then ours by 2.1" I'm not sure about the lincoln. Do you have the year that you are talking about for the lincoln? i'm looking at the wheelbase information and rear track size...
If I can find all the information i need about all the cars then it will be a little easier to narrow down what needs to be done.... Making the project a little easier...
-------------------
Any picture would be a great help.. Surfing for that stuff is hard... lol...
If anyone can help out.. I need pictures of 3 cars.
Mazda 6, MS6, and the jag s-type
The better the detail of each section on the bottom would be great... Then we can compare and see what we can make from it...
If someone can figure out the what size tranny will be able to fit on the 6 would be awesome. Want to look at what trannies are out there. I heard a 5 speed is more recommended for more HP... ???
Justin, If you are able to take those pictures of the Jag let me know. I'm think of everything I might want pictures of... Like how the engine is mounted compaired to ours. Things like that.
----------
Posted on 6crew by me...
Looks like some of my good friends(welder) in el paso want to get in on the build... So it will be my friends and there kids and my son and I. I have a friend who father is a master tech for acura/honda, gonna see if he wants to get in on the build... The more people brainstorming the less issues I hope. I will also be posting everything here as much as I can. For now we have to continue our brainstorming because now this is going to happen.. When? When I get out of Iraq and buy me a daily driver since right now my car is a daily driver. I want a truck...
I don't think it will ever stop being a mazda 6, that is for sure. The engine and the body of the car will always be a mazda...
Some food for thought and any help on this, as always will be greatly appreciated...
Yea the jag did use a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.
Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0
I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.
I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..
Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD tranny.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.
So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.
Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny. See attached pic...
Any details on the 2 cars and specs would be great. So far I was only able to find the attached pic for the Mazdaspeed...
**Edit...
Found that Jaguar did make a manual with the 3.0 with RWD
http://www.cars.com/jaguar/s-type/20...A0&mode=search
The wheelbase is longer then ours 114.5
The Rear track is 60.7 which is about 2" shorter then ours.
So our engine has been used as a RWD... hmmm... Damn need to get the specs of the jaguar and see how the engine is mounted and how their RWD system is setup...
Will continue to dig further....
---------------------
things i'm looking into...
turning the engine 90 degrees is not going to be to hard. I have the jaguar stype and lincoln ls to see how it was setup in there car and maybe even use there engine mount.
for the tranny the jaguar using a getrag 221. i don't want to use the transmission.. Not good for putting up the hp. I'm thinking of the tremec T5 but i'm still working on that. Still need to get dimensions on what will fit there first. a getrag 233 would be awesome and last forever!!! lol.. anyways it's open to options..
For the front i'm just gonna disconnect it from the tranny... and keep it that way...
For the suspension and rwd i'm thinking of using the MS6 setup.
That is where I am at now..
--------
I have to look into the musting I know they use the tremec tranny a lot.
Yea with the supra I would never have to worry about the tranny just everything else lol... Though I think it will cost $$$ to find a used one. Also the GTR-Skyliner uses it...
----------------------
If I can find information like this for our tranny, and the T56, T5, TR6060 would be great....
Turbosupras Technical - Getrag V160 Transmission
MTX all the way. The 221 getrag used in the jag from year 2000–2002 is a 5 speed manual RWD. Though I won't use the Tranny is horrible for more hp... I'm just gonna use the car for reference on how they held the engine and tranny. I would love to put in a getrag 233 would be awesome but then I have to change the gearbox and adaptive plate because it's a 6speed that is used in the toyota TT supra.
What tranny do we have? I want to look up specs... If I can use the one we have now in the 6 then I don't have to worry about getting adaptive plates so it can fit a diff. tranny.
http://www.fordcontour.org/topic/13466-30-duratec-fwd-to-rwd-conversion/
http://www.6crew.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15794