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Non-intercooled kit

Ok so all things being equal if I were to get the non intercooled kit would it just be plau and play or are there parts that I need to make turbo functional? Thanks again.

the kit comes with all u'll need. would a higher stage clutch be beneficial? yes. absolutely neccessary? no, long as u stay away from dumping it all the time. the tranny should hold up too according to others who r running stock trannies. i'm not. i've got a quaife and stage 3+ clutch in mine. even then, i can count on one hand how many times i've dumped the clutch in the year i've owned the turbo.
 
The most I've ever launched my car is about 3000 rpms, stock diff and everything.

If your smart, and easy on it, it should last a while without anyproblems.
 
Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. I now have a decision to make whether or not I want to go turbo or a vortech I just ran across trying to do some research on the vortech but can't seem to find much. Any thoughts I'll listen. Thanks again for the help. - Justin
 
If you are looking for a supercharger http://www.3lduratec.com/supercharger.html is the place to look

I know all about that site but thanks. I wasn't really planning on a supercharger this just kinda came up. Its a vortech and I dont know much about them except that the spindals sometimes strip. Other than that I can't find much info on this and whether or not its a better purchase than the non intercooled kist at about the same price.
 
So does any one know if the guys at npg are busy or what cause I emailed them some questions about the their non intercooled kit and I haven't heard anything back from them in about a week now and was wondering if I should just keep waiting or try another channel?
 
So does any one know if the guys at npg are busy or what cause I emailed them some questions about the their non intercooled kit and I haven't heard anything back from them in about a week now and was wondering if I should just keep waiting or try another channel?

call them. their number is on the website. thats how i get in touch with joey.:shrug:
 
I know all about that site but thanks. I wasn't really planning on a supercharger this just kinda came up. Its a vortech and I dont know much about them except that the spindals sometimes strip. Other than that I can't find much info on this and whether or not its a better purchase than the non intercooled kist at about the same price.

Just so others don't get the wrong information from reading this thread. The supercharger kit we sell on www.3LDuratec.com is completely different than the kit Vortech sold a few years back which had a jackshaft that stripped out. We don't have a jackshaft in our setup so there isn't anything that can strip out. There aren't any components shared between the old kit and our kit. Even the supercharger head units are different. Ours spins counter clockwise and the old Vortech kit spun clockwise so they are not interchangable.
 
So does any one know if the guys at npg are busy or what cause I emailed them some questions about the their non intercooled kit and I haven't heard anything back from them in about a week now and was wondering if I should just keep waiting or try another channel?

We're around! :D

We are busy though. So let me try to answer your questions.

Non-intercooled kit is a great way to start adding a little power to the car. By little I mean you can look at probably 240wHP and an estimated 200-220 ft-lbs of torqe with a light tune on around 4psi or so. If you add a water injection kit then you can start running 8-10pounds but it would take some tuning and you've have to be careful. The most important consideration with a kit like this, a supercharger, or any kit without an intercooling system will be prevention of detonation.
Primarily intake air temperature is the culprit. In the dead of winter an intercooler wouldn't matter, but in summer it becomes a huge deal. The air coming out of the turbo at just 8psi approaches 190*F when ambient temps are in the high 80s to low 90s. If you run the car under hard boost and the intake air temps going into the engine start creeping above the 140-150*F range then you will likely detonate and break the piston ringlands.

On the non-intercooled kit the key to success is moderation and self-discipline! You get it tuned for a certain boost level and you LEAVE it there. If you don't then you may run those intake temps too high and hurt something. Don't get me wrong, this is still an issue with intercooled kits, but the intercooled kits are just tested at higher boost levels and if you crank the boost up on them you can run into the same problem.

The only way to prevent this is limit the boost, run high octane fuel, and pull some timing. Of course getting an intake temp gauge is very helpful in learning your car. Since any engine performance is directly affected by the intake temps, I find that next to a wideband, the Intake temp gauge is the most informative and potentially helpful choice if you mount the probe just prior to the air entering the throttlebody.

Okay with all that said, you will still pull buttloads more torque with the engine just running 3-4psi and some minor tuning and it will do this reliably for years.

The Vortech supercharger is a highly complex package and it suffers from the "too many moving parts" issues. More to break, and break it does....not to mention it has all the same issues with tuning I just listed above.
No centrifugal supercharger kit will make the torque that a turbo does, and definitely not in the lower rpm ranges. They are nice if you want to run through the gears and keep the rev's high though. Paired with the 3L it's less apparent due to the 3L's low end torque advantage but on a 2.5L it's all top end and you probably wouldn't even break 200ft-lbs torque until close to 6K rpm.

In the long run I think you should spring for the non-intercooled and leave it alone till you want more power, or just get it with the base intercooler up front and get max power out of it now.
I recommend the non-intercooled kit to anyone who wants to try their own hand at building an intercooler, air-air or water to air, water/meth injection, nitrous, etc.
 
Thanks for that.. it was exactly what I was looking for the only other questions that I had was how much of a pain the a$$ is it to upgrade to the intercooler, how much is the cost generally and could I get the piping painted?

Thanks again for taking time to anwser all the questions I have I appreciate it. -J-
 
It is not hard to upgrade later. You just pull off the short pipe, reclock the turbo and install the intercooler and piping, then away you go. The tune would be the same too....reason being that at lower boost levels it will work fine without an intercooler but if you raise the boost the tune is not set to compensate for the lack of an intercooler. Or, you can look at it that the tune will NOT work if you start cranking the boost beyond the recommended level and you don't have an intercooler present.
bottom line: run the recommended boost level with the tune and you'll be fine.

It's great for a two-step upgrade process so you don't have to front as much cash. Yes the pipes on the intercooler setup can be painted to match.
 
It is not hard to upgrade later. You just pull off the short pipe, reclock the turbo and install the intercooler and piping, then away you go. The tune would be the same too....reason being that at lower boost levels it will work fine without an intercooler but if you raise the boost the tune is not set to compensate for the lack of an intercooler. Or, you can look at it that the tune will NOT work if you start cranking the boost beyond the recommended level and you don't have an intercooler present.
bottom line: run the recommended boost level with the tune and you'll be fine.

It's great for a two-step upgrade process so you don't have to front as much cash. Yes the pipes on the intercooler setup can be painted to match.

So if I buy a non-intercooled kit and tune it it will be fine. When I'm bored with ~270hp I can purchase the intercooler and piping, install and crank up boost without needing an additional tune?
 
Typically, you can up the boost without additional tuning, but I would be sure you have the necessary guages to make sure everything is still 'safe' at the higher boost levels.

You will want a wideband to ensure AFR stays in the safe range and probably EGT to make sure timing is still good.

Those would be my suggestions...maybe they are overkill, but I prefer to err on the safe side.
 
YES!


Non intercooled kit = 235whp
Intercooled kit = 275whp +

Yes, that is Correct.

Sweet - I'm hopeful to be above that 235 due to the full 3L and supporting mods already done to the car. As soon as the SVT is off of daily driving I'll make the purchase.
Anything bad about driving the car in cruise control under boost? I mean - probably going to be doing 75+ for about an hour... bad?
 
No reason to be concerned about cruise control.

If you are driving in hilly conditions the car may feel 'surgy' as the computer doesnt know how little throttle will be needed after the turbo is installed to maintain/increase speed. Basically, if not on level roads, the cruise control is not as smooth.

As Brapple said, no boost under cruise on level ground.
 
at cruise on the highway it will not be making boost.

No reason to be concerned about cruise control.

If you are driving in hilly conditions the car may feel 'surgy' as the computer doesnt know how little throttle will be needed after the turbo is installed to maintain/increase speed. Basically, if not on level roads, the cruise control is not as smooth.

As Brapple said, no boost under cruise on level ground.

Huh - I guess I have no clue how boost is produced when driving then...I drive ~105 miles round trip to work and back, most 75mph driving. I thought that would kill a motor with boost, but I forget to realize there are a ton of factory boosted cars that do just fine.... :crazy:
 
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