No talk about Kilpatrick; what gives???

[00SVT]

One point of clarification:

Da Playa Maya from da D wit da Sex Texts didn't use city money. The MLK breakfast club (or whatever group it was he spoke to) in Ashland paid...

They've got to be pleased as punch at their decision to bring him down there.

 

[Barge]

Oh, I'd let the people leave before I bulldozed the city, I mean, that's only polite

Oh, and if you have no job, maybe you should take that $8 an hour job instead of living off people who actually work. Or maybe get an education so you don't have to work for $8 an hour.

I've been through enough drivethroughs to have the opinion that most of those people don't even deserve the $8 an hour that they do get.

 

[00SVT]

There's a lot of factors that come into play, though. You've got a public school system that's in shambles, so you get people who are unprepared for college sliding through the system. Back in the day, you could go grab a manufacturing job at one of thousands of places in the area and you'd be straight. You could do OK. Now those jobs are dried up, and while a single person might be able to scrape by on an $8/hour job (as long as you can walk to work and your rent is dirt-cheap), if you have kids... forget it. And you can't afford to move to a better school district or send the kids to private school, so it becomes cyclical.

Getting back into school isn't as easy as applying for financial aid, either... If you're a 30-year old dude that's spent the past 10 years working on the line making OK money with a wife and kid, how TF are you going to support them going to school full-time while working a $8/hour job 40+ hours a week?

Not always as simple as "go back to school, dummy"... unfortunately, this is why a good school system is crucial... far more important than a pretty Riverwalk or a skating rink at Campus Martius.

 

[reddired]

What does this even mean? Why would anyone want to live there? Poor property value, bad community, extremely high crime, unsafe neighborhoods...the list goes on and on. Yes, I live in the suburbs, heck I've talked to a lot of ex-Detroiters who moved out to the suburbs, and they all pretty much had the same logic; the city was falling apart without any shiney light in sight, and it was simply time to pull the plug.



Which only further shows you what kind of mayor you're defending. Sure, great...a nice superbowl, cleaned up downtown....but the fact still remains, unemployment is nearly ~20%, which is ridiculous.



I think you're taking this the wrong way. Nobody has grudges against the poor, man. If anything I think I speak on behalf of most on here, and feel pitiable that people who are earnestly trying to provide for their families do not have the opportunity to even do so.

Furthermore, we drive Contours; that pretty much makes us all poor! Personally, I'm recuperating from debt, live with my parents, and barely have a dime to my name!



Ummm, we all live in MI. This is a single state recession. We all are fighting to find or keep our jobs. My father was just laid off from Ford/Visteon. You speak as if the rest of MI is in some sort of economical treasure chest.



The mayor spent $9 million dollars of the city's money, which wasn't even necessary. He then goes off and spends the city's money on a resort in SC. Now I don't give a damn about the guy's personal life. Only thing he's messing up is his marriage and kids' life, but I'll be dumbfounded to hear people like you defending him when the evidence we have been given isn't enough to provoke some sort of questioning towards the guy's morals towards leading the city.



Ehh, we're still in SEMI. Haven't moved.....yet.



No hate, just really fail to see your rationale. :shrug:

I appreciate your position.
Let me say that in no way shape or form am I defending this Mayor. I am sickened by the actions and I personally feel that he should be held accountable for:
1. misspending taxpayers money
2. lying in court (perjury)
3. not coming clean at the end

My beef is the people who really don't give a f#$&, and classify all Detroiters under one umbrella. I now live in Southgate but was born and raised in Detroit. My heart goes out to the city.
I believe that if one addresses a problem, the one should pose a possible solution.
What was happening here was smart-alecs simply making offensive statements and this saddens me.
Again, I do appreciate your position and somewhat agree.

 

[reddired]

Oh, I'd let the people leave before I bulldozed the city, I mean, that's only polite

Oh, and if you have no job, maybe you should take that $8 an hour job instead of living off people who actually work. Or maybe get an education so you don't have to work for $8 an hour.

I've been through enough drivethroughs to have the opinion that most of those people don't even deserve the $8 an hour that they do get.

you are a funny guy.
my education and knowledge would stifle you.
and no, my friend, i don't make $8 an hour, however, i empathize with the people who do.
I wonder how many people walk/drive past your job and try to make sense of why you make what you make.
it's judgemental, closeminded people of your sort that create separatism and what a shame that is.
like i said, you're a funny guy. i feel for you.:nonono:

 

[reddired]

Of course not. Plus, how many times has he looked dead into the camera before and flat-out lied before? Why would/should anyone believe him this time?

Everyone is all up in arms about "I don't care what he does in his personal life" and that the cheating crap "is between him and his wife"... I want to know why nobody is talking about the 2 cops that lost their jobs because they knew something was going on? The ensuing lawsuit and trial that was not settled because Kwame's ego told him that he was untouchable? Furthermore, I want to know why Ella Bully-Cummings allowed THE MAYOR to fire 2 of her guys? Everyone in this town in any position of power is so deep in his pockets it's laughable.

the city should sue kwame personally for the money given to the 2 officers in the settlement. they woldn't get too much but they should !
Those officers should also be reinstated.
Personally, I hate to say this but the feds should run a full blown investigation on the DPD and the Mayor & staff. Not like that b.s. internal investigation a few years ago.

 

[reddired]

There's a lot of factors that come into play, though. You've got a public school system that's in shambles, so you get people who are unprepared for college sliding through the system. Back in the day, you could go grab a manufacturing job at one of thousands of places in the area and you'd be straight. You could do OK. Now those jobs are dried up, and while a single person might be able to scrape by on an $8/hour job (as long as you can walk to work and your rent is dirt-cheap), if you have kids... forget it. And you can't afford to move to a better school district or send the kids to private school, so it becomes cyclical.

Getting back into school isn't as easy as applying for financial aid, either... If you're a 30-year old dude that's spent the past 10 years working on the line making OK money with a wife and kid, how TF are you going to support them going to school full-time while working a $8/hour job 40+ hours a week?

Not always as simple as "go back to school, dummy"... unfortunately, this is why a good school system is crucial... far more important than a pretty Riverwalk or a skating rink at Campus Martius.

AMEN!!

 

[Barge]

Actually most people don't know what i make because i try not to blab about it, but besides that... actually people usually say something along the lines of... "That sounds hard" "that sounds complicated"...etc. So i guess I just picked an impressive sounding job

I'm also of the mind that in today's society everyone is given numerous opportunities to make their life better. If they don't take them then i don't feel any sympathy for them.

There are some people that bad things happen to, i get that. But that's no excuse to just give up.

and if you're jobless... well then get over yourself, because any job is better than no job.

Oh, and thanks for the compliment. I am a funny, judgemental, close-minded bastard.

 

[Pudmunkie]

I agree with everything barge has said in this thread.

More than half of the poor in detroit are poor because they are ing STUPID. Poor life decisions... Mostly not caring about school.

I refuse to listen to any of the excuses and about "Have you ever been poor" blah blah blah. My best friends family had NOTHING for years and pulled themselves up and out through hard work, now they make more than anyone else I know. Another good friend and his family came to the united states with something like 300 bucks.

At the offramp today I saw a bum posted out with a cardboard sign that said "WWJD". Do you know what Jesus would do? HE'D GET A ING JOB!

Christ people ITS CALLED WORK FOR A REASON!!!!

Next candidate who pledges to demolish Detroit gets my vote.

 

[Harrry]

You can flat out say you directed that posting for me. Let me explain why i feel this way.!!!!

i guess as long as you suburbanites hide safely in your homes then i guess it is safe to lob insults and derogatories at Detroit..

Lmao yeah thats it I have trained many Detroit police officers on many occasions martial arts(For Free). I have contributed.... heck i lived there paid my taxes and i still do. When i work inside Detroit and shop there i pay Detroit taxes. We still hire detroiters and we still have to pay taxes to Detroit for the work we/they provide.

Did you know that we must....I mean must have 60% Detroit staff working while we do any work inside Detroit. That means we must tell our workers who have families down river they are laid off for a short period. Because they don't live in Detroit(kwame's rules). Yet when we hire these new Detroit workers, they don't last more than 2-4 weeks PERIOD.
I'll tell you why.
They show up late 100% of the time!!!
Not showing up period on days then making up excuses why they couldn't make it to work.
Caught them doing drugs while working.drugs:help:
Drinking alcohol while working on school property wtf??

God the list goes on. It disgusts me you pay these people $24 an hour to perform on the job. Yet they still won't do the damn job you are paying them. It pisses me off!!!!

Don't give me that suburbanite BS.We stop doing jobs inside of Detroit because we couldn't staff enough Detroit workers to get the job done. Therefore we paid 5-25k in fines for not completing jobs we received because of there lack of work ethics. So don't start lecturing me. Its not like they're working for free. We are paying them very good money to work.

"Oh no you mean i have to show up 8-530 everyday on time???? Yeah you dumb you do!!!"

Heck you don't know how many cegers have written me for a job on here.

i would love to see one of you in a position where NOBODY hire you for over $8 hr..

I did, i worked back in the day at 3.25 an hour. I'll take anything to live. In american to survive you must work. Or you could live in Detroit and collect the longest recored ed welfare amount in any city:shrug: Or do things illegally and do what others call work:shrug:

Would u want others to label you as lazy good for nothing.
have any of you who hold these grudges against the poor there, ever been poor?.

Hell yeah we lived in Detroit. My family who came here from Greece, were piss poor. I mean piss poor!!! We all shared 1 bedroom. We learned to grow as a family to make our lives better. Not stay there deal drugs go to jail and steal from one another. We couldn't buy anything without it getting stolen in 1 month. Police did nothing to protect us. I mean nothing.

Well, if you care, DO SOMETHING. Don't simply hide behind a screenname and throw pot shots at a suffering city..

Hide where??? are you serious....This sounds like a lame attempt to insult people. My family has grown up there, worked there and provided work there even after we left. It was the people of Detroit that we gave up on. Only because they let us down over and over again and again and again.

 

[reddired]

@BARGE / HARRRY / PUDMUNKIE:

first yes, let me make this clear, i direct the below statements to you 3.

if you *carefully* read my msgs, then you would understand my position.
you guys make detroit sound like this is the only city where there are the said problems. all these little country towns in mid/northern MI have the same problems with laziness, excuses, and so forth.
my issue with you 3 is that your tone is not that of recognizing a simple problem with suggestions of change, but grouping a certain class (your perception anyway) of people together and further tearing them down.
again, if you 3 **carefully** read my msgs, i think to a degree we are likeminded in regards to each pulling their own weight.
Unfortunately this does not happen in Detroit, but also here downriver where I hear the same excuses from the people out here regarding timeliness & dedication to a drug/alcohol free workplace.
You see, it's not just Detroit.....it's livonia, redford, southgate and all surrounding cities that have these same problems. you guys may cover up a little better....which i can actually respect.
do you guys know......
the biggest cost of welfare comes from rural areas??? shocking huh?
the problem is not who is on welfare as mentioned in these idiotic outbursts i replying to, the problem is how many people are fine with being on welfare for life & you & i pay for this.
we all have spectacular stories of how our "friends" were sooo poor but they kept trying or "i only made $3.25hr" (1980's)..... but not everyone catches the breaks.
i do agree with you.......all people should fight for a better life whether it be schooling yourselves or working 2 jobs and it is a shame that folks don't do this. I have NO sympathy for one who does not put forth an effort, however, i have ABSOLUTELY NO PATIENCE for classism, racism or any other "ism" that puts a people indiscriminately under one umbrella in such a negative fashion. THATS MY BEEF !!
now you all can twist what i say and respond with more simple comments but again:
*read my msgs careful*

 

[todras]

all these little country towns in mid/northern MI have the same problems with laziness, excuses, and so forth.

That's the largest crock of **** I've ever seen posted here! I've never seen more hard working people then in the small towns littered across MI than in any other place.

 

[Harrry]

That's the largest crock of **** I've ever seen posted here! I've never seen more hard working people then in the small towns littered across MI than in any other place.

Amen to that.

Not only are they hard working but they rely on each other everyday to survive. Thats something you don't find in larger cities anymore.

 

[Trapps]

The problem with 'ism' is that they are often based upon stereotypes. A vast majority of stereotypes are based upon the truth.

One notable exception would be jism.

 

[00SVT]

Guys, there's a lot of poverty and uneducated people outside of Detroit... Lake County, Isabella County, Berrien County... those are just off the top of my head. They all have some pretty bad poverty problems and deal with a lot of the same issues (on a smaller scale simply due to population, but they're worth discussing because of the percentages)...

 

[todras]

You hit a zinger with Lake County. Not going to disagree there. Still a lot of good people there though. Same as anywhere else.

 

[00SVT]

Still a lot of good people there though. Same as anywhere else.

Right... and nobody is calling those people stupid and lazy s**ts and wanting to bulldoze the cities... my whole point in all of this was (is), don't paint everyone with the same brush. Most people in Detroit are pretty damn similar to everyone here... they're not all sitting around waiting for the first of the month and walking the streets looking for s**t to steal.

 

[Harrry]

Right... and nobody is calling those people stupid and lazy s**ts and wanting to bulldoze the cities... my whole point in all of this was (is), don't paint everyone with the same brush. Most people in Detroit are pretty damn similar to everyone here... they're not all sitting around waiting for the first of the month and walking the streets looking for s**t to steal.

Yet they don't represent Michigan do they? Is the big 3 there, compuware? lions tiger redwings cobo hall???? NOOO

See that is why Detroit is targeted. Nobody is going to these small cities for these entertainment. Yet nobody can go downtown without a thought crossing there mind that they might die. This topic is about why this great city is being destroyed by some of there current residents. And wy these people keep voting such a corrupt mayor in office.

Hell let me invited strippers to the mayors mansion and kill her then use police vehicles to escort my wife. Or wait let me use 9 million dollars over the years to make my face look good on TV while Detroit is losing money.:help:


I'm not going to sit here and compare cities this is stupid. THe topic is trying to fix detroit.
1. Remove mayor
2. Clean up nieghborhoods (removing bad people)
3. Invest its funds in proper areas (not vacations strippers drugs guns and cars)

 

[00SVT]

Look, I can't stand Kwame. It kills me to see the City Income Tax taken out of my check every 2 weeks when I know how much he pisses away. I haven't seen a single person here backing him or disagreeing on the fact that he needs to go and there are neighborhoods that need to be cleaned up. That's flat-out common sense.

See that is why Detroit is targeted. Nobody is going to these small cities for these entertainment. Yet nobody can go downtown without a thought crossing there mind that they might die. This topic is about why this great city is being destroyed by some of there current residents. And wy these people keep voting such a corrupt mayor in office.

I go downtown every single day and I've NEVER had thoughts of dying. And guess what? Pick a large city in Detroit (Flint, Saginaw, GR, Lansing, Benton Harbor, Muskegon) and I guarantee you find some areas that will make you sh*t your pants. Guys aren't hanging out on the steps of JLA or Cobo or the DIA waiting to steal your wallet or shoot you for your shoes. And Biff and Muffy from Bloomfield Hills aren't jumping in the 7-Series for a quiet dinner in Brightmoor. Anywhere the suburbanites are going for their entertainment, whether it be a sporting event or casino, is safe.

You *should* look at other cities in this state when you start talking about the issues in Detroit, 'cause Detroit isn't alone. Sure, it's the largest city (and highest profile), and that's why the unemployment and poverty are going to be magnified there. We got away from talking about Kwame when the talk of the lazy residents and selling the city for scrap came up.

 

[MapOfTaziFoSho]

Look, I can't stand Kwame. It kills me to see the City Income Tax taken out of my check every 2 weeks when I know how much he pisses away. I haven't seen a single person here backing him or disagreeing on the fact that he needs to go and there are neighborhoods that need to be cleaned up. That's flat-out common sense.



I go downtown every single day and I've NEVER had thoughts of dying. And guess what? Pick a large city in Detroit (Flint, Saginaw, GR, Lansing, Benton Harbor, Muskegon) and I guarantee you find some areas that will make you sh*t your pants. Guys aren't hanging out on the steps of JLA or Cobo or the DIA waiting to steal your wallet or shoot you for your shoes. And Biff and Muffy from Bloomfield Hills aren't jumping in the 7-Series for a quiet dinner in Brightmoor. Anywhere the suburbanites are going for their entertainment, whether it be a sporting event or casino, is safe.

You *should* look at other cities in this state when you start talking about the issues in Detroit, 'cause Detroit isn't alone. Sure, it's the largest city (and highest profile), and that's why the unemployment and poverty are going to be magnified there. We got away from talking about Kwame when the talk of the lazy residents and selling the city for scrap came up.

The majority of the city should be bulldozed. End of story.