I wasn't quite understanding what was going on in this thread. But I guess I get it now. Like phil said, the driver can out drive you and the car he built is better than anything you can wet dream about. See it in action; it's awesome. I don't understand some of the comments here. It's an autox vehicle, it and the driver kick butt,,, so are some of ya'll just mad you don't have the driving skills nor the ability to build that caliber of a vehicle?