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I have made several high speed stops, 100 and up, followed by normal driving and I have done this several times over. Most recently, Sunday afternoon. I forgot to mention earlier that I have seen cracked solid/blank rotors before. I have cracked two myself on my previous SVT and they were solid. But that was after getting them "racing orange". I've seen others cracked as well, but I believe they might have been cheap.
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Originally posted by Big Poppa: bawhahahahaha Naw guys I am just screwing with you. some of you are funny. I dont think anybody is this stupid to drill there own brakes. LOL I still have the stockers hahahahaha
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Originally posted by ssmumich00: the van der waals forces or whatever that hold the cast metal together will be altered when drilling on used rotors.
Van Der Waal's forces have nothing to do with this. Those are the forces that exist between any two molecules. By drilling the rotors, you do NOT affect these forces, other than take some material out. The remaining metal stays the same chemically. The chemical compostion cannot change by merely drilling a few holes, unless the temp gets extremely hot. If you doubt me, then go take 3 years of chemistry at any well known chemistry/pharmacy school, then come talk to me.
Anyways... this is a dead issue anyways. Someone just wanted to be funny. Good job
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that wasn't very funny really, I just kept thinking what an idiot and then you were like "i was just joking" and i was like.... oh well.
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That was actually stupid, not funny. It's a subtle but important distinction.
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Wow you are an idiot First off the holes have to be symmetrical and spaced properly also even drilled rotors that are real they donā??t do much. Drilling and slotting rotors has become popular in street applications for their pure aesthetic value. When you drill or slot a rotor it reduces rotating weight, an issue that is very important to racers who are searching for ways to minimize un-sprung weight, also Drilling diminishes a rotor's durability and cooling capacity. Let's look at some common rotor "modification" and "performance" upgrades that you may have been exposed to. Bigger rotors will make your friends think you are cool, bigger rotors look ***y, but bigger rotors do not stop the car. What a bigger rotor will do is lower the overall operating temperature of the brakes - which is a GREAT idea IF your temperatures are causing problems with other parts of the braking system.
Take for example, a Formula 500 racer, a small 800-pound, single-seat formula car. While the brakes are certainly much smaller than those found on a 3200-pound GT1 Camaro, that does not necessarily mean that they need to be made larger. In fact, installing a GT1 brake package onto a formula car would probably do more harm than good. That's a lot of steel hanging on the wheel that needs to accelerate each time the gas pedal is pushed. So the bigger the better until your temperatures are under control. After that point, you are doing more harm than good, unless you really like the look. Cross drilling your rotors might look neat, but what is it really doing for you? Well, unless your car is using brake pads from the 40's and 50's, not a whole lot. Rotors were first drilled because early brake pad materials gave off gasses when heated to racing temperatures, a process known as "gassing out." These gasses then formed a thin layer between the brake pad face and the rotor, acting as a lubricant and effectively lowering the coefficient of friction. The holes were implemented to give the gasses somewhere to go. It was an effective solution, but today's friction materials do not exhibit the same gassing out phenomenon as the early pads. For this reason, the holes have carried over more as a design feature than a performance feature. Contrary to popular belief, they don't lower temperatures. (In fact, by removing weight from the rotor, they can actually cause temperatures to increase a little.) These holes create stress risers that allow the rotor to crack sooner, and make a mess of brake pads - sort of like a cheese grater rubbing them at every stop. Want more evidence? Look at NASCAR or F1. You would think that if drilling holes in the rotor was the hot ticket, then these teams would be doing it. The one glaring exception here is in the rare situation where rotors are so oversized that they need to be drilled like Swiss cheese. (Look at any performance motorcycle or lighter formula car. for an example.) While the issues of stress risers and brake pad wear are still present, drilling is used to reduce the mass of the parts in spite of these concerns. Remember that nothing comes for free. If these teams switched to non-drilled rotors, they would see lower operating temperatures and longer brake pad life, at the expense of higher weight. It's all about tradeoffs. Slotting rotors, on the other hand, might be a consideration if your sanctioning body allows for it. Cutting thin slots across the face of the rotor can actually help to clean the face of the brake pads over time, helping to reduce the glazing often found during high-speed use which can lower the coefficient of friction. While there may still be a small concern over creating stress risers in the face of the rotor, if the slots are shallow and cut properly, the trade-off appears to be worth the risks. (Have you looked at a NASCAR rotor lately?)
Wow I am done that took awhile, but I hope it stops at least one person from drilling their rotors, themselves!
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Originally posted by JonnySVT: that wasn't very funny really, I just kept thinking what an idiot and then you were like "i was just joking" and i was like.... oh well.
Ditto, I think the word Idiot may have traveled through my mind a few dozen times too?
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wow, I saw the title...then I saw 4 pages and instantly knew someone was gettin flamed.
I read some of the thread...but just so I know.
What are some negative effects he might have from drilling them himself vs picking up some already drilled rotors?
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hmm this was all a jk that was a waste of 5 mins of reading.. either way u suck
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