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#712745 08/05/03 12:28 PM
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Where is the place you guys were buying the scanner for about $30 ????


I can't find it...


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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46030

It was $39 on sale it is now up to $49 if you check back for a little while it might go on sale again or you might want to get there catalog because sometimes they have catalog prices and internet prices so you could check both.


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Checking at Ebay they have this thing that connects to a Laptop...


Is that any better than a normal reader that only gets the code ???


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Better in what way ?

If has many more things that it can do but if you only need to read your trouble codes then it is no better (I would get one that connects to a laptop)

The auction that you posted has the wrong connector type for ford (ford uses PWM that auction was VPW (GM type)) if you are going to get one to connect to a laptop I would reccomend getting the one I have. http://www.obd-2.com/ from alex peper. Check out the taurus club and see if they still have a continuing group buy going for it (they used to have one that everytime they got 20 people (max discount) they would send in the order).

When I bought mine thru the group buy a few years ago I think my triple combo was around $100 I am not sure what group buy prices run now. you can check out his website for more details on the software.

I admit that I dont know anything about the proscan software/hardware that the guy on ebay is selling but I have been very happy with the package from alex peper http://www.obd-2.com/

Not an ad just what I like.

IF you want to get one from that guy on ebay at least get the right connection like this one and let the rest of us know how it works out when yoiu get it.


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thank yyou for the clarification.

I am reading about the one u have.


And regarding the connections... if I buy a FORD connection, I won't be able to read others cars codes ??

I thought all OBD II were standards... or at least u could use it on other car having the right adaptor.



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i bought just the ford one, but it works fine on my friends 96 grand am...


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I am not sure exactly how the standards thing works but I know there are 3 different types of protocols that you can have on your car.

from obd-2.com
ISO - for European, Asian, Chrysler
VPW - for General Motors
PWM - for Ford

They all have the same type of connector but they use different pins of the connector I think.


from http://www.obd-2.com/hist.html

OBD-2 is in reference to Title 13 California Code 1968.1 titled "Malfunction and Diagnostic System Requirements-1994 and Subsequent Model-Year Passenger Cars, Light-Duty Trucks, and Medium-Duty Vehicles and Engines. filed on 8-27-90 to Air Resouce Board (ARB)
This requires a standard electrical connector, open source standarized diagnostic trouble codes (DTC), data, and communication protocol with more specific self-diagnostic on-board monitoring of emission malfunctions.


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  Within the OBDâ??II standard, there are three protocols.  You have to have an OBDâ??II system which supports the same protocol that the car to which you are connecting it uses.  The three protocols are:
  • PWM â?? used by most Ford vehicles
  • VPW â?? Used by most General Motors vehicles
  • ISO â?? used by almost everthing else

  Looking at the item on eBay, it appears that it comes with support for VPW, but that if you want support for PWM or ISO, you need to by a separate item to add that support.

  I have the Alex Peper unit, which has already been referenced in this thread, and I will add my own voice to the recommendation made in its favor.  I have the 3-Combo unit, which supports all three protocols; he also offers cheaper units which support only your choice of one or two out of the three.

  As for the utility of getting one of these PC-based units instead of the $49.99 code reader from Harbor Freight: The latter unit will read the trouble code, but won't tell you anything else.  WIth the Alex Peper unit, at least, and most likely with nearly any other PC-based unit, you can retrieve much more data than just the trouble codes, and I have, on a few occasions, found this additional data to be very helpful in diagnosing problems which turned out to be something other than what the trouble code itself indicated.  For example, I was, at some point, getting codes that indicated that my O2 sensor was going bad. On examining the data from my O2 sensor, I was able to see patterns that indicated that it wasn't really the sensor itself, but an electrical connector that was failing to make a good connection.   Instead of having to replace the O2 sensor, I only needed to clean up that one connector.


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Can I reprogram the chip with the Alex Peper unit ???


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I just use the OBDII scanner at my brother's work. You can also read RPMS, vehicle speed, throttle position, timing, etc. I can use it whenever I want.


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