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what is the best intake out there for the pre 98?thanks.
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I use CTA intake, there are other brands out there. I have had no problems with the CTA system.
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not to rain on anything.
but.
i dont' see spending that kind of $$ on an intake.
as i said i made mine for a hell of a lot less, and did the same thing, if not more or less.
sure , i had a supercharger, but i modified it to fit that too, no way was i using that crap tube that J/R has.
and people barking about pvc? whats the diff? it works..... does the same as metal. weighs less, costs less...
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*** WARNING ***
PVC when heated releases toxic fumes.
Also, it can melt under normal driving conditions.
If you're going to use plastic,
use a poly carbonate based plastic (like PC-ABS which is available and only slightly more expensive).
The CTA intake is a great ready made intake,
but with a little time & effort,
one could make one just as or more efficient.
And do it cheaper.
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I bought mine for 60 bucks from Xtreme Motorsports. I think they made it. It's for a ZX3. To see it click on the link in my sig.
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
*** WARNING ***
PVC when heated releases toxic fumes.
Also, it can melt under normal driving conditions.
If you're going to use plastic,
use a poly carbonate based plastic (like PC-ABS which is available and only slightly more expensive).
The CTA intake is a great ready made intake,
but with a little time & effort,
one could make one just as or more efficient.
And do it cheaper.
sleeper I feel you are wasting your time as am I for responding to this remember the last time this came up him and kremit said well mines not letting off fumes...
so I say let them kill themselfs if they want to.
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Yeah, but I got to educate when I can.
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Yeah, but I got to educate when I can.
you can only educate the ones who are willing to listen and learn 
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would you free up hp by removing the black thing that covers the throttle bodY? The only thing i changed on my intake was everything from the air to the MAF sensor, everything from the MAF to the engine is stock. Should I get rid of the black part?
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dude, mine never let off any fumes, nor did mine ever melt. hell it didnt even lose shape. all i did was sand it, paint it twice with ceramic paint and went on my way.... and another thing, if it lets off toxic fumes, how come i had it for over 2 years and am not dead? and why didn't i smell anything? or anyone else? and also, how the hell are they going to come into my a/c? granted i had no a/c for about 6 months since disconnecting the pulley, but still...
hrm....
btw, theres a 12 second *yeah* old RX7 with a PVC elbow for a SCOOP on it's carb.... it hasnt melted.
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Originally posted by WannaBe-SVT:
dude, mine never let off any fumes, nor did mine ever melt. hell it didnt even lose shape. all i did was sand it, paint it twice with ceramic paint and went on my way.... and another thing, if it lets off toxic fumes, how come i had it for over 2 years and am not dead? and why didn't i smell anything? or anyone else? and also, how the hell are they going to come into my a/c? granted i had no a/c for about 6 months since disconnecting the pulley, but still...
hrm....
btw, theres a 12 second *yeah* old RX7 with a PVC elbow for a SCOOP on it's carb.... it hasnt melted.
1 you got lucky
2 brad noon told of a guy with an escort who made a PVC intake and he DID have it melt on him.
3 the ceramic paint you did probably held in the fumes so I bet your engine was injesting them which is not good for the motor, like that matters now since your car is toast.
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Read the characteristics of PVC plastic.
It is NOT meant for automotive uses.
The fumes would come in through your heater, not your a/c.
I'm going to agree with ZetecRacing on this and say;
the paint helped some, and the fumes were ingested by the engine.
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at first, it wasnt coated, it was regular, and i dont see how it harmed the engine, always ran fine, and never lost speed.
melted on him? oh well gotta suck to be that mo-ron.
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mine never melted, never lost shape, nothing. stayed same. Never smelt any fumes. I seriously think if it does release fumes, it does it so slowly that it won't hurt me any more than anything else we encounter in our daily lives. Though my design wasn't smoothest or anything so my high end wasn't that great, but my homemade intake beats the CTA intake in low end because of less heat transfer and smaller diameter. If it anyone wants it, I'll sell it for real cheap, comes with filter.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Yeah, but I got to educate when I can.
you can only educate the ones who are willing to listen and learn
Too true! 
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Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
someone do this...
Way ahead of you!
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The problem is this...the fumes that are given off...as far as I could tell did not emmit an odor....Now also guys temps under the hood are different. So maybe it was not bad to deform it, maybe it isnt even bad enuff to give off the fumes. The risk is there. The other thing to ponder...not shooting at anyone....but lets say, for argument, that it did get warm enuff to cause the piping to give off fumes. What if those fumes carried some of that PVC into your TB and coated the intake and the TB with a fine powder or just looked like minor debris? Now, you may not have a problem....but....food for thought, it could... COULD happen.
YES removing the Black thing on the TB is a good idea as it is restrictive as well. The CTA motorsports intake does that.
Also, you can go to autozone and get a honda civic/acura integra intake and modify it to fit.
Cost $39.99 for intake tube, use the accordian tube, keep the bend on the intake tube and go get an ABS cleanout elbow...total for all including filter I think was $65...maybe...
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No debris were on my TB. To me, it seems that if it releases fumes, it's over a long period of time and you'll probably be OK. A friend of mine told me he knows a guy with a turbo'd mustang that has partial PVC intake and hasn't had any trouble. But the CTA intake is better to go with just because it's smoother, and it's bigger helping to gain in mid/high rpms. Heat soak sucks though. If only street flight had made an intake for us..... 
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Originally posted by sosaudio1:
The problem is this...the fumes that are given off...as far as I could tell did not emmit an odor....Now also guys temps under the hood are different. So maybe it was not bad to deform it, maybe it isnt even bad enuff to give off the fumes. The risk is there. The other thing to ponder...not shooting at anyone....but lets say, for argument, that it did get warm enuff to cause the piping to give off fumes. What if those fumes carried some of that PVC into your TB and coated the intake and the TB with a fine powder or just looked like minor debris? Now, you may not have a problem....but....food for thought, it could... COULD happen.
YES removing the Black thing on the TB is a good idea as it is restrictive as well. The CTA motorsports intake does that.
Also, you can go to autozone and get a honda civic/acura integra intake and modify it to fit.
Cost $39.99 for intake tube, use the accordian tube, keep the bend on the intake tube and go get an ABS cleanout elbow...total for all including filter I think was $65...maybe...
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The point is to get rid of the accordian tube also for a smoother airflow.
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2:
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Way ahead of you!
You need to relocate the battery first. Then it shouldnt be too hard.
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and the fuse box...then after that looks pretty straight forward. No cutting required, it just sits right there.
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There is a much better place (almost the same spot) to relocate the filter and it doesn't require relocating the battery or fusebox.
Just need a small heat shield.
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anyone know how big the opening is where the intake tube would fit on? sorry im just being lazy and don't feel like taking my resonator tube off in the rain?
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Speaking of relocating the battery, how hard is that? Wouldn't it involve a lot of manhandling of long heavy cables around the passenger compartment to the trunk? Sounds like a pain.
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Man, running cables in our cars is so easy. I wouldn't call it manhandling. I'd think it'd be pretty easy to relocate the battery.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
a little less than 2".
is that it? i figured atleast 2"  -2 1/4"
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which opening are you talkinag about the TB or what?
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TB is little less than 2",,, MAF is about 3".
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at the TB. yeah i guess that does seem right
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UMMM NO the TB is NOT less than 2 inches the diameter is over 65mm wich is close to 3 inches in diameter if you want I have a picture of that with a ruler showing it.
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very strange. Somehow I had a 2" coupling fitting AROUND the TB. I've seen your picture, but I've had a ruler on mine and had the coupling on.
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i still can't run wires through from the engine to the f*ckin cabin...either I'm just stupid or I don't have the same damn whole as everyone else.
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well i used a hole that on your car is filled with stuff needed for the MTX. but there are other places to go through or you just drill, or you can run under the car like some have with the cables inside a pipe.
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i think i'm just gonna drill...cuz the only hole i have after found has a rubber thing on the other side and I can't get it off...
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there is a hole behind whee the brake pedal is at if I get a chance I will take a picture tomorrow
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
there is a hole behind whee the brake pedal is at if I get a chance I will take a picture tomorrow
That is where all my wire enters the car. 
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the only thing I see behind the brake pedal is this black knob thing...I twist it off and there is a screw right there...thats all I see  I think I'm just retarded...
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That's where mine go too. Some cars have this thing filled though. Ninja, PM me with your email address and I'll send you a pic of this hole from what it looks like from the engine bay. It's a tear drop kinda look piece of rubber that you can poke right through.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
UMMM NO the TB is NOT less than 2 inches the diameter is over 65mm wich is close to 3 inches in diameter if you want I have a picture of that with a ruler showing it.
wreeeeong.. 2 and 3 something inches.
it's not over 65mm, not by a long shot, i believe its either 52 or 55mm. can't remember. all i know is 2" was too small, wouldn't fit and 3" was too big
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2" is too small? yet a put a 2" coupling on it? weird....
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
That's where mine go too. Some cars have this thing filled though. Ninja, PM me with your email address and I'll send you a pic of this hole from what it looks like from the engine bay. It's a tear drop kinda look piece of rubber that you can poke right through.
yeah I've seen a couple of pics like that before...but like I said something is wrong with my car or I'm retarded cuz I don't have that...the only rubber piece i had has a rubber piece on the other side and i can't get it off...
oh yeah and can't we just agree that the TB opening is 2.5"
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Poke something through that rubber and see if anything comes out on the other side.
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Originally posted by WannaBe-SVT:
wreeeeong.. 2 and 3 something inches.
it's not over 65mm, not by a long shot, i believe its either 52 or 55mm. can't remember. all i know is 2" was too small, wouldn't fit and 3" was too big
SOME DAY people will learn to listen:
what's that thingy in top of the TB say OOH WAIT a minute look how close it is to 70mm 
BTW anyone who ownsa a CTA intake would be able to easily see that the pipe on it is ALL 3" pipe.
but yet again what the F&%K do I know 
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I believe the throttle plate is only 55mm though.
(I know that's not what was being argued)
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
I believe the throttle plate is only 55mm though.
(I know that's not what was being argued)
nope it's 60mm I measured that too when I had my intake off. just didn't get a picture of that though.
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Really?
Thats good to know.
Thanks.
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Yes the CTA PIPE is all 3" but what is it that connects to the TB? OO a silicone elbow. I'll be putting my optimized TB on soon and I'll post again about it. But it's strange how I had that 2" rubber coupling on there, I do remember having to shove a little, so maybe it's a little over 2" but not near 3". Maybe you have a freak TB? Or maybe I have a freak TB?
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is the picture not clear enough for you???? or do you need glasses???? no it's not a full 3" but it is close.
70mm would be 2.75"
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OOO i guess your picture is better than my personal experience. Just happens to be that I own a zetec and a ruler as well, but no digi cam. Wow, so that's what a TB looks like. 
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Jeez stop the damn bickering! 
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I'll let Steve take more pics with a ruler when I get my TB done.
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Originally posted by LoCoChick:
I'll let Steve take more pics with a ruler when I get my TB done.
what my camera is not good enough?
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by LoCoChick:
I'll let Steve take more pics with a ruler when I get my TB done.
what my camera is not good enough?
No!
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i know for a fact it's not that big, i have the old TB from my mustang, and it's 65mm and there is no way in hell its that big. also the stock tb is not bigger than the SVT fuckus @ 62mm.. ours is in the 50's.
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Originally posted by WannaBe-SVT:
i know for a fact it's not that big, i have the old TB from my mustang, and it's 65mm and there is no way in hell its that big. also the stock tb is not bigger than the SVT fuckus @ 62mm.. ours is in the 50's.
Maybe the Duratec. Our TB is big compared to other cars.
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word on stock tb.
55 MILLIMETERS.
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by LoCoChick:
I'll let Steve take more pics with a ruler when I get my TB done.
what my camera is not good enough?
No!
It is..but you know how it goes. There's never enough proof.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Man, running cables in our cars is so easy. I wouldn't call it manhandling. I'd think it'd be pretty easy to relocate the battery.
Where do you run the cables? Under the floor, or inside somewhere?
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Dude, measure the PLATE, not the opening at the top! If somebody advertises a 65mm throttle body, they mean that's the diameter of the plate.
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Originally posted by Paul Kienitz:
Dude, measure the PLATE, not the opening at the top! If somebody advertises a 65mm throttle body, they mean that's the diameter of the plate.
OK FOR THE TENTH TIME THE PLATE IS 60mm YES I SAID 60mm not 59mm not 120mm BUT 60 mm
60mm
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but the original question was the diameter of the TB to be able to make an intake which is why I showed the picture I had taken showing it is 70mm
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
I believe the throttle plate is only 55mm though.
(I know that's not what was being argued)
nope it's 60mm I measured that too when I had my intake off. just didn't get a picture of that though.
SEE PAUL I hope that you can see that I had already posted this but I gues not.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
OK FOR THE TENTH TIME THE PLATE IS 60mm YES I SAID 60mm not 59mm not 120mm BUT 60 mm
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Guess what?
Come on, guess.
Have you guessed yet?
The diameter of the plate is 55 mm. Just measured it myself. (I had a good reason because the CTA was bumping on my hood and wearing a shiny spot, so I had to move it around anyway.)
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Originally posted by WannaBe-SVT:
exactly as i said. 55mm.
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I guess I have a freask TB then cause it IS 60mm.
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yeah you do then. cus even ford says 55.
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My TB plate measures at 58mm and the TB itself at 68mm.
Is there a difference in size between autos and MTXs?
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
My TB plate measures at 58mm and the TB itself at 68mm.
Is there a difference in size between autos and MTXs?
could be there is a differance on the focus between the ATX and MTX
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That must be it because I know a had a 2" coupling fitting on mine and I also measured it (can't remember exact measurement, but closer to 2" than 3").
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
That must be it because I know a had a 2" coupling fitting on mine and I also measured it (can't remember exact measurement, but closer to 2" than 3").
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lets say you find out the exact measurment...then what? 
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I swear...its 60mm....no its 55mm....no its 58mm who gives a crap!
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obviously enough people to fight about it.
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
That must be it because I know a had a 2" coupling fitting on mine and I also measured it (can't remember exact measurement, but closer to 2" than 3").
huh? sometimes it would help if you speak with words and not smileys. 
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Originally posted by WannaBe-SVT:
obviously enough people to fight about it.
People on this website fight over the darndest things sometimes.
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Originally posted by LoCoChick:
People on this website fight over the darndest things sometimes.
even when you show a picture od the over all diameter of the TB they tell you it's not what is shows.
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Because on THEIR car it's different, which we have come to the conclusion that's it's because of the trannies. And when they tell you they've put a 2" elbow on the TB and also measured (but have no digi cam) and you still don't believe them. I never said your picture was wrong, I just said my TB is different and not that big.
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well hector and steve have ATX Zetec's and theirs don't look smaller than mine
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Did you measure? I measured mine. Also mine is a 96, could be another thing. I know pre98s TB have more material (according to buckshot) so size could be different depending on year and tranny.
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Mine's 1.5". Wait.....wrong thread! What's all this fussin and fightin? What does it matter the TB diameter? I thought this thread was about a best intake for the Zetec. Well, my $3 on the topic would be a completely uninhibited flow of the coldest air possibleis ideal. Little/no resistance + coldest possible air = more performance. I think I remember reading Terry Haines sayin something about every 13degrees F you reduce the air intake temp is ~1hp??? So, you want to minimize resistance in the intake, all while insulating it and moving the actual inlet port as far away from a heat source (like say....the motor?) as possible. So ideal/best? No filter, just a tube straight up and away from the motor.  No, don't really do that. Heck, I've got an intake tube for a ZX3 in my garage. You'll need a filter and a 3" silicone coupling to attach the MAF. It has an accordian tube right after the elbow at the TB. PM if you want it. Now, I may have a Duratec now, but back in the day, I knew my way around that peppy 4 banger. I had the CTA on my car and it gave some obvious gains. It's an easy kit to install, except my breather tube was melted to the valve cover and I had to whittle it off.  It took my dumb ass a little more than an hour to install it. Also, you have the 'Bling Bling Factor'. Chrome = secksi, and the CTA is all platted out with the finest in underhood blingage. It got many props while in my fly hooptie. If you're looking for mad performance-you might have to make something yourself; along the lines of that ZX2 posted above. I'd definitly relocate the battery and maybe the fusebox; although I don't know how much work it is to move the fuse box. Thus putting the filter right behind the driver's side headlight; which can easily be removed for racing. Anything else?
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