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Well here is yet another challenge we will face with out CSVT's. The new 2003 Dodge SRT-4 (Street and Racing Technology, four cylinders) is powered by an intercooled, turbocharged version of Dodge's 2.4 liter engine. It is rated at 215 hp (@ 5,400 rpm) and 245 lb. ft. of torque (@3,200-4,200 rpm). The turbo four couples to a five speed stick and pulls only 2,939 lb. Capable of high five 0-60's, able to turn the quarter mile in the low 14's and governed at a 148 mph top end, the SRT-4 is flat out speedy. Only Viper is quicker in the Mopar lineup. Dodge SRT-4 Very close in weight with both around 3,000 lbs, HP close 200 vs. 215 but wow! touque is going to hurt 245 to our 169. Looks like this little 4-door will wax our A$$ stock vs. stock. More mods, more mods!!! I would love to knock off one of these before one gets us 1st. While I was never a Ford man until my 00 CSVT (diehard Chevy & Pontiac family) I have definitly never been a Mopar fan. We have a goal to do away with all stock SVT's and raise our perf numbers above these new kids on the block! Stock is not so hot anymore 
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the SR-T will DESSIMATE a contour SVT! SR-T is SEVERLY underated in HP one here in town put down 223 TO THE WHEELS  240 Torque to the wheels!! DO NOT MESS with them unless you have a SC or Turbo.. really just a Turbo.. they weight A LOT less to..so multiply that! one more thing ITS STILL A NEON! 
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Dodge? Is that some sort of car company or something? 
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If you line up against one, pray and scream  , you have no chance stock
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Originally posted by todras:
What is this car?
Originally posted by MotorCity:
Dodge? Is that some sort of car company or something?
LMAO. He did seem a little excited though.
The car has been out for a while now and even 1 or 2 of our members sold their SVT's for one of these neon. And yes, they will kill you unless you have put serious money into your SVT.
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MT tested the SRT-4 at 13.9x at 102mph.
What part of the race will be close??? This is one heck of a pocket rocket albeit an ugly one (but what one isn't now days  )
About the weight. All the mags I saw stated around 2850lbs.
Also the 215HP/245TQ is very much underated!
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Originally posted by scottd60:
Well here is yet another challenge we will face with out CSVT's.
The new 2003 Dodge SRT-4 (Street and Racing Technology, four cylinders) is powered by an intercooled, turbocharged version of Dodge's 2.4 liter engine. It is rated at 215 hp (@ 5,400 rpm) and 245 lb. ft. of torque (@3,200-4,200 rpm). The turbo four couples to a five speed stick and pulls only 2,939 lb. Capable of high five 0-60's, able to turn the quarter mile in the low 14's and governed at a 148 mph top end, the SRT-4 is flat out speedy. Only Viper is quicker in the Mopar lineup. Dodge SRT-4
Very close in weight with both around 3,000 lbs, HP close 200 vs. 215 but wow! touque is going to hurt 245 to our 169. Looks like this little 4-door will wax our A$$ stock vs. stock. More mods, more mods!!! I would love to knock off one of these before one gets us 1st. While I was never a Ford man until my 00 CSVT (diehard Chevy & Pontiac family) I have definitly never been a Mopar fan. We have a goal to do away with all stock SVT's and raise our perf numbers above these new kids on the block! Stock is not so hot anymore
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
welcome to the new millinium!
BRAT! 
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I thought about it, that's what it is on every other board I go to. I'm just lazy I guess? Plus owning an SRT-4 has it's disadvantages on forums across the net, so I don't mind that I still have the SVT in my name(I wish I could have both cars in all honesty). It's the new guy on the block that everybody hates or loves. It seems that more often than not, it gets me flamed.
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It only gets you flamed because you seem to have accquired an ego problem with the purchase of your new car.  You seem to have settled down a little bit now though. I can understand being happy with your car but come on....sometimes it gets a little deep.
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
the SR-T will DESSIMATE a contour SVT!
Correct
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
one more thing ITS STILL A NEON!
Doesn't really matter. It's a QUIIIIIIIIICK-ASS Neon 
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examples? THe problem is, nobody understands the art of talking smack. they just jump right out and say "EFFF YOU MAN, YOU THINK YOU'RE SOOOO COOL CAUSE YOU HAVE AN SRT-4." like that's my fault? I was jelous too, but then I bought one or "YOU MAY BE FASTER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STILL A NEON!!!" As far as I'm concerned it could say UGO on the back and I'd give 2 shits because it has a 70,000 powertrain and 36,000 bumper to bumper. I'll sell it around 50,000 and buy something different.
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Doesn't the srt have a standard diff? Do you have lots of wheelspin on take-off, or do you have plenty of traction? I'm itching to tangle with one now, with my torsen, good clutch and plenty of power. The SRT is a nice car for the money, but I like my roomier 4 door. I don't like the stock power curve of the SRT's, they have massive torque down low but none up top. Assuming the gears are tailored to it, thats ok, but I like having a torque curve that looks like its a bridge spanning a river. I've been told my car's dyno looks nothing like a turbo car, more like a powerfull naturally aspirated car. warmonger
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I am just saying, you bought a car. Anyone can buy a car. It is nothing special in and of itself to buy a car. I would be more impressed if said you: Saved a life Served in the military Graduated high school, college, etc. Slept with Britney Spears. It is a nice car though indeed. I have no problems with it. It is fast, yes. It is a neon, yes, but who cares. I would consider buying one. I am glad your happy with it. But if you think your better then people because of your car then I think you have a problem (not necessarily saying this is the case).
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he just thinks he's better than people, not because of his car. j/k tim
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Wheelspin?? WHat's that  ? I can do this without even reving the engine if that gives you an idea of it's magnitude.  Mine does have the open diff (which is gone as soon as the LSD's are avail to be purchased seperately), for 04 on and on they have standard LSD (quaife no less) and that raises the price $1000 to $20,995. As far as the powerband goes? It's great, I've never been in a F/I'd SVT so I can't compare to yours, but man top end on my car is just as rediculous as low end. An explosion is the best way to describe it, if you haven't test driven one, I think you should, you just might like it? Best thing about the turbo, is the serious lack of lag as in none, zilch, nada. kicks in and stays in of course, the boost controller helps that bit too.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
he just thinks he's better than people, not because of his car.
j/k tim
Kermit you nailed it bro! J/k!
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Originally posted by scottd60:
Dodge's 2.4 liter engine.
You seem to know so much...so I must point out that it's actually a DCX motor.
Also, this has been discussed MANY times before...the SRT-4 will OWN ANY Contour, probably even if it's been turbo'd and heavily modded. It's just too quick and 'Tours are notorious for not sticking to the ground.
I have to agree though, it's still a Neon...but the more I see of it, the more I warm up to it...it's a DAMN FAST NEON!
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I'm not afraid of the srt4 from a roll, but I won't tangle with one from a stop. Too much bottom end! I'll leave that to the turbo guys.
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The SRT-4's arent that great out of the hole, but they kill at top end. Absolutely KILL!!!
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Sounds like the only one of us around this board that stands a chance is warmonger. That's if he can put all that horsepower to the asphalt ? Probably a little like playing Grand Tourismo...you build your bank account up to 1/2 a million, put all the mods available on your car and now it has 2,000 HP and all it does is spin the tires I'll take his 300+ Hp at the wheels 'tour and hope for traction in the race! Be sure to let us know the moment it happens. I knew they were supposed to be pretty slick but did not expect them to be this freakin nasty! Scott
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there are a few other turbo'd 'tours that stand a chance. such as wvrdr and keyser (i think those are right). you must be talking bout the escudo, fully moddify it and have 1800+hp and just spin until the end of 6th gear especially if you have dirt tires on asphault.
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i read that the rated 215 hp on the neon is at the wheels. And have you seen the aftermarket for those things? There is already a HUGE amount of mods available. I know i'm thinkin of tradin in. Then again, i've always been a mopar guy at heart.
Totally sold out for a 90 GT vert.... 1/4 mile is almost the same as my modded svt w/n2o was...
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Carlos...long time no hear...hey were going to Vegas tonight wanna go...anyways.....215 is what dodge rated it at the crank....223 is what it downed stock at Jackson Racing with 245 torque to the wheels.
Dodge "Under promised and over delievered" this product by a lot.
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I wanted to chime in on this b/c I almost traded in the SVT 2 days ago for a black SRT-4 after test driving one. as far as the looks, im not to crazy about it. However, everything else about the car is pretty impresive. I did a 2nd gear pull and was extremely impressed from the minute I let the clutch out. The interior is pretty cool, but a little tight for a big guy. The dealer was trying to put me 2.5k upside down, and I couldnt deal with that. Maybe I will get one down the road sometime
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I'm not scared....I recently went for a ride in a new SRT-4, and while they have tons of potential, I was a little let down on the "pull" factor. I then took the SRT-4 owner for a ride in the Tour at 7psi and he was simply astounded at how quick my car is. I still like the SRT-4 nonetheless....just not neccesarrily scared of them. Most of the guys on SRT-4 Forums are running in the low 14's-high 13's with little to no mods, with 60' itmes in the 2.0-2.2 range. I, on 5psi went 13.8 with a high 2.2x 60' so at that boost level with my current tires it would be a driver race. Hopefully I will see some at the track my next trip..that will be fun! ATL-SRT err..SVT, have you run any respectable times yet? Just curious......I've seen some high 14's over on the forums. 
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One point the CSVT guys could make is the better breathing nature of the SVT...NA, SVT make full power to 7000+K RPM, with forced induction & chip, they are still rising until cutoff at 7500 RPM...awesome! This is reflected in more power for less boost. While 223 FWHP from the 2.4L Neon is decent it required 10+psi IIRC, the 2.5L SVT with 5.5 psi made what 230 FWHP, 8-10 psi boost near 280-300 FWHP from about the same displacement. And a Duratec will ALWAYS sound better than a 4-pot.
The Neon gets credit for current bang for buck but beyond the bang it is less interesting than an SVT. I just can't see someone over 30 in a Neon SRT4.. I personally would not trade even up, but then drag racing is not a priority for me.
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
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Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
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Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
I get mixed responses...some say it can some say it can't.....but one things for sure, there is some wheel gap!!!!! It looks really ugly.....Im sure they designed mostly for stright line.....Like some people say, when you lower it you may effect its stright line ability....But again there is mixed feelings about it.....Ford needs to pick up the ball...and not with the focus SVT, but with 4 door mid sizer with balls to challange it.
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Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
Yes it can handle, they used previous knowledge of the Neon ACR and designed components to compliment the car.
With the 2.4L Iron block it weighs a lot so the f/r bias is quite large.
Also on skinny 17x5.5" wheels and 205/50 rubber.
I would expect the car to keep up with a stock CSVT in handling.
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
Yes it can handle, they used previous knowledge of the Neon ACR and designed components to compliment the car.
With the 2.4L Iron block it weighs a lot so the f/r bias is quite large.
Also on skinny 17x5.5" wheels and 205/50 rubber.
I would expect the car to keep up with a stock CSVT in handling.
According to motor trend it isn't that great of a handler. The FSVT is much better in that department and mazdaspeed protege was the best.
Neon was the fastest straightliner, hands down.
They gave it a cheap plasticy interior rating, but the best fun to drive factor.
Go figure. IMHO Its hard for any manufacturer to nail all three categories all the time, but Dodge almost never does!
Interior quality is mostly their last priority with looks/power first, handling second, quality last.
BMW, Honda/Acura, Mercedes, these companies usually nail it on the head. Toyota, VW and Audi are good while Ford does all right, but Dodge and Chevy are vying with each other for last place w/regard to interior quality.
With regard to the SRT's pulling stong up to redline:
I don't see it as bad, but I can't see it being that great either. Remember how the SVT N/A just zips, power never falls off and you tag the fuel cut-off until you learn to drive it? That is a funcion of a flat torque curve causing a power curve that NEVER has a point of DECREASING (negative) slope! The rate of increase lessens, but its always positive.
The dyno graph of the neon SRT I have is almost a drop-off (read:cliff)at 5000 rpm where the torque is just gone. The torque is 230 ft-lbs at 4800rpm and by 5800rpm it is about 180 ft-lbs. By 6000 rpm its about 170 ft-lbs.
What is the stock redline for the engine?
I'd be surpised if it was over 6K rpm.
Granted, this is only one representative dyno, but according to this one I'd be shifting by 5400 rpm to maximize power to the wheels.
I've gone over and over the stats, and I don't see how the SRT can destroy a turbo SVT except on the take-off since it's lighter; drivers being equal of course.
But as DemonSVT says, this is bench racing and it sucks. However, its all we have for now.
I hope there is one at the track tonight, I'm taking the video camera.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
They gave it a cheap plasticy interior rating, but the best fun to drive factor.
Interior quality is mostly their last priority with looks/power first, handling second, quality last.
The SRT comes with 2003 Viper seats covered in cloth. What his mean is that the seats are beyond supportive and the side bolsters are massive.
Yeah the rest of the interior is Neon-esque.
I think with the 7yr 100K mile warranty, quality will be fine. And remember Stage 1-3 are dealer add-ons which do not void warranty.
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I agree wit warmonger. The ability to nail all three areas are almost directly related to price. A car company won't offer a 20k car that has excellent interior, build quality, handling, and acceleration. How would they sell the higher priced cars if they did?
Also, as far as bench racing goes, I think a turbo svt would beat the srt. Vortech contours are usually running around a 14 flat at over 100mph, which would be somewhat of a close race. These aren't pro drivers either. The dramatically increased bottom end and slightly increased top end of the turbo should put the contour ahead in my opinion.
Edit - I'm talking about a stock srt4
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
I'm not afraid of the srt4 from a roll, but I won't tangle with one from a stop. Too much bottom end! I'll leave that to the turbo guys.
But every car is only as fast as the one driving it. So while we have "MotorTrend this" "R&T that" you can get crap for a driver. We all know these testers are professionals. Just look at some svt ¼-mile track times here, ranging from 14's to 16's. Some guys just aren't good at racing, and sometimes guys just mess up.
We can rightfully expect this with this car. Sure you get alot of enthusiats buying it;who know how to drive, but many too who are young, inexperienced or older and react slower.
Hows about we get real track times from the current SRT owner on the board.
So point in case is that you don't know what to expect with this one. It's all in the driver, so yes you SVT'ers w/o a turblow could take one (being that you are a VERY good driver and the kneon has a 16 yr old in it )
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Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
I get mixed responses...some say it can some say it can't.....but one things for sure, there is some wheel gap!!!!! It looks really ugly.....Im sure they designed mostly for stright line.....Like some people say, when you lower it you may effect its stright line ability....But again there is mixed feelings about it.....Ford needs to pick up the ball...and not with the focus SVT, but with 4 door mid sizer with balls to challange it.
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Originally posted by bc_mondeo:
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I'm not afraid of the srt4 from a roll, but I won't tangle with one from a stop. Too much bottom end! I'll leave that to the turbo guys.
So point in case is that you don't know what to expect with this one. It's all in the driver, so yes you SVT'ers w/o a turblow could take one (being that you are a VERY good driver and the kneon has a 16 yr old in it )
I'm pretty confident that my top end is competitive. 8lbs even with the parasitic loss pulls hard at high speeds. The only problem with the srt is that you do 1k in mods and I'm sure you'd be in the low 13s. Much better platform to start with, and the aftermarket is already taking off like crazy. I personally think it has some of the best potential to be a monster out of the new class of turbo compacts.
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First things first, the SRT-4 would murder a stock CSVT. With that said....I am SOOOO tired of people trying to act like the CSVT is a race car! I'm not trying to hate as I know everyone likes their car to be fast, but enough is enough already. Okay, a select few of us have modified their CSVTs to be incredibly fast. Even with that said, ALOT of $$$ has to go into creating a beast like that. The CSVT is all about superb handling, good quickness, and great top end speed. It's a driver's car. A cruiser. A semi-refined sports sedan. It's NOT a rice-burner, pocket-rocket, musclecar, sports car, drag car, super car, or whatever other term that you can think of describing a very fast automobile. In my opinion the CSVT is the most refined road car that SVT has made to date. The Lightning and Mustang SVTs are strictly speed/performance machines. If you want to race someone, buy one of those and you can smoke or run with just about anything on the road today. Anyway, sorry for thread jacking, I just had to vent....
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My Brother-in-law has one of the fastest in the country as of now....as far as the people on the SRT-4 forums, he is number 2. 13.4 @ 102.xx This is simply with a re-routed intake, boost controller, and drag radials....the drage radials nocked off .6 of a second. as soon as the computer is in it should be runnin 12's. This is his next preject car for his performance shop. He will be selling performance parts for it....so if any of you SRT-4 guys are interested... www.diamondstarmotorsport.com
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
I'm pretty confident that my top end is competitive. 8lbs even with the parasitic loss pulls hard at high speeds. The only problem with the srt is that you do 1k in mods and I'm sure you'd be in the low 13s. Much better platform to start with, and the aftermarket is already taking off like crazy. I personally think it has some of the best potential to be a monster out of the new class of turbo compacts.
I wonder how much it will cost to fix these cars when they are out of warranty. Which some will be, when they add certain aftermarket stuff. You turbo or S/C guys know 1st hand how much it cost to fix these H.O. engines. Also, we don't know how the car will end up performing like after 1 years worth of driving in the span of several hard driven months. I'm still leary about new hi-perf cars and their reliability (sti/evo7/srt/redline/ss/etc). Would you wanna own one of these cars out of their warranty? Likely NOT.
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Those are good points. Got me thinking. I don't think the resale value will hold up well on these cars too, because they are aimed at young people who will surely beat on them (srt4 in peticular). Not that all of them would, but in general they are meant to be driven hard. I probably wouldn't buy a used one myself.
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
....because they are aimed at young people who will surely beat on them (srt4 in peticular). Not that all of them would, but in general they are meant to be driven hard.
Yes of course us youngings would.
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Well my best friend drove the srt to trade in his spec v nissan and he helped me put in my turbo last week before I blew the piston.
After his experience in the srt and then a ride in mine at 8psi the contour pulls much harder than the neon. Off the line the car are simliar cars are similar maybe the neon but when the turbo spools on the contour the tires breaks loose which heats them up and second bites like a mother. noticed the with the quaife and the my AVS 1000 tires they stick.
Look just to tell you an SS camero was beaten by me up from 0 to 85 mph as I passed him. All have to say I put my money on my svt of course I'm running 10. to 10.5 psi with water mist.
Terminal velocity who installed my dual boost controller and mist said my car should see the 12's with grip. Oh he has two rx-7 run 11's and dakota so he knows his times well
I hope to run into one soon. later guys
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you guys and saying i would want to run into one... i wouldnt care.. hey at least they might race, whenever i go anywere i am always looking for a car to race.. and with any luck maybe you will get a crummy driver and win =) and make them feel dumb, for instance, i race my bros mustang GT in my t-bird, got creamed.. but then once i raced his Girlfriend when she was driving, and i creamed her.. so maybe you'll get lucky.. but also, with not caring if there faster, i have raced a corvette c-5 in my t-bird.. and other day on freeway would have raced a ferrari in the C if they would have sped up.. thought they were going to, but then they let me down so thats just my .02 =) -Daniel
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Originally posted by Hunt:
you guys and saying i would want to run into one...
i wouldnt care.. hey at least they might race, whenever i go anywere i am always looking for a car to race..
and with any luck maybe you will get a crummy driver and win =) and make them feel dumb, for instance, i race my bros mustang GT in my t-bird, got creamed.. but then once i raced his Girlfriend when she was driving, and i creamed her.. so maybe you'll get lucky..
but also, with not caring if there faster, i have raced a corvette c-5 in my t-bird.. and other day on freeway would have raced a ferrari in the C if they would have sped up.. thought they were going to, but then they let me down
so thats just my .02 =)
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a csvt could beat some ferraris, like a late 70s early 80s 308.
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ok you might want to go and stand on a chair, caused you missed the point!!!! I wouldnt care that i would lose.. 15 et Vs. 12 or lower et. hmm.... point is i wouldnt mind racing one.. if a ferrari pulled up and reved engine.. i would race would be fun.. plus get to see them take off.. only seen 2 new ferrari's in my driving in my life that i can rember, other time i spend up caught up with him on freeway, was in my truck, (slow as S) and he saw my driving next to him so he floored it.. and i was entertaint for a moment, so it was worth it..... did the chair help this time? -Daniel
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Originally posted by parkedcar:
My Brother-in-law has one of the fastest in the country as of now....as far as the people on the SRT-4 forums, he is number 2. 13.4 @ 102.xx This is simply with a re-routed intake, boost controller, and drag radials....the drage radials nocked off .6 of a second. as soon as the computer is in it should be runnin 12's. This is his next preject car for his performance shop. He will be selling performance parts for it....so if any of you SRT-4 guys are interested... www.diamondstarmotorsport.com
That's cool that your brother has an SRT-4 man! however the fastest SRT-4 is the MOPAR SRT-4 that recently broke the FWD 1/4 mile World Record at 8.32 seconds, with the stock 2.4 liter block no less. TurboXS, ModernPerformance and AGP also have project SRT-4's that are in the 12's.
And from my personal experience of owning both an SRT-4 and and Contour SVT, I miss my SVT in the corners. The SRT-4 isn't too far from being on the same level stabilitywise IMO, but stock for stock, body roll on my SRT-4 is much greater than the SVT was. Body roll, however stout your car may actually be in the corners, makes it seem much less stable. Don't get me wrong, she turns on command, just feels a bit sloppy compared to the CSVT. So my current plan to fix this is: replace the rear sway bar which is only 16 mm in stock form , drop the [censored], and get some wider wheels (only 6" from the factory). I think that combo should clear up my personal issues with the handling.
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sorry but I couldn't resist! Well well well... guess what I ran into coming home this weekend on I-70 in florida...
a Neon SRT-4..black
it appeared bone stock..
and the guy was having fun with it..
well to start we were at 70-120..
to make a long story short..
if your an svt that is modded nicely or heavely modded.. (no FI or nos) DO NOT WORRY! those cars don;t have anything up top!
It was my first entaglement and I thought for sure I was going to get smoked! between 70-120 I kept up with him like chrome on a bumper.. he was trying to ditch me so bad it was hilarious..!
I knew I would have been smoked down low but we never got a chance to stop being that there were no lights to stop at..
moral of the story.. DO NOT FEAR THE SRT-4 up top by no means!
oh yea this is no BS believe what you want to believe.. I would have posted if he would have SMOKED me to..but he didn;t even come close.. like I said chrome on a bumper..
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LMAO  Well, theres a start. I'm sure we'll have a few new posts later on where someone got smoked, or someone hung on. As long as those run-in's continue to be legal on a track or ahem...closed off roads then we'll be good. No streetracing! (of course speeding is every american's right--until taken away) warmonger
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Originally posted by warmonger:
LMAO
Well, theres a start. I'm sure we'll have a few new posts later on where someone got smoked, or someone hung on.
As long as those run-in's continue to be legal on a track or ahem...closed off roads then we'll be good.
No streetracing! (of course speeding is every american's right--until taken away)
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Id race one, and if I lost Id challenge him to a rematch...with my other car
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okay okay okay, you can compare a modded to [censored] csvt to other stock stuff all day long, so lets compare overall moddability of a car when new is $20K vs a car when new was $23k.....
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yeah, let's compare a car that costs less than the csvt and srt-4 for overall modability,,, that's right the zetec contour. ever see the meguair's focus. granted it's not a contour, it is a zetec. and it also runs 6sec. 1/4 miles.... zetecs rule.
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ATL, the SVT or any other contour, cougar does not have the moddability (word?) of the SRT-4 for only one reason... TURBO! you can mod the krap out of any turbo really.
At the time the svt came out in 97 it was a bargain, compared to it's competition.
2003, yes I do believe by far the SRT-4 is the biggest bargain going around.
I earlier stated that an SRT-4 with dessimate a contour SVT..
After a period of entanglement I will say this..
A turbo svt will DESSIMATE an SRT-4!
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lets compare turbo svt (svt plus 5k just for the turbo, not counting quaife and whatever else you might want) vs. srt-4 plus 5K. gimme a break dude. no comparison. Again... MOPAR STAGE 1 kit, $328 HP at the wheels: 245
TQ at the wheels: 265
for $328 dollars. again for $328. STAGE 2 and 3 aren't even out yet. Stage 3 is 300 HP and 300 TQ and will not cost 5k. I would say it's a safe assumption to think that these are underrated the same as the stock numbers are.
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I understand.. but you have to throw in the "pimp" factor and its all SVT.
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I miss my SVT for a lot of reasons, the lines on that sucker are one of em.  But it's okay, I have lots of fun in my new whip.
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Yeah, but it's still a cheap quality, base level Neon... No amount of turbo power will ever get rid of that. Regardless of the very tough engine it has.
Also if you want to compare tit for tat.
Take the price of a used SVT (since they've been out of production for over 3 years!) and add the turbo kit and you are still well under the base price of the Neon. You also have a hell of a lot more power. (280-290FWHP/270-275FWTQ) Infinitely more usable powerband (vs the peaky 4-pot) and more peak power.
Not to mention that even an SVT that has been totaled in a crash still looks better then the ricer wannabe Neon.
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Holy Cow, GOD is here to pass judgement on this thread! I'm so excited.
so tell me, how do you really feel?
I just checked out your mods, I'd be mad to if I were you.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Not to mention that even an SVT that has been totaled in a crash still looks better then the ricer wannabe Neon.
You have to admit that was funny..
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Not to mention that even an SVT that has been totaled in a crash still looks better then the ricer wannabe Neon.
You have to admit that was funny..
Not only funny but TRUE.
Guess it struck a nerve with him... Aw shucks...
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Not to mention that even an SVT that has been totaled in a crash still looks better then the ricer wannabe Neon.
You have to admit that was funny..
Not only funny but TRUE.
Guess it struck a nerve with him... Aw shucks...
sounds ignernt to me. but ashes to ashes...... whateva whateva. We should just race, I think my car is ugliest from the back. Dodge did that so it would worsen the feeling of loosing to a neon.
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it was funny!
again looks = pimp factor..
SVT = yes
Neon= No
don;t care if you stick a 10 grand body kit on it.
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pimp factor=penis extension
I owned one an loved it, but it's just a contour, there is no pimp factor in a contour. It's a discontinued ford with dwindling aftermarkeret(that was never booming) and fanbase. Spring Zing 03? Now if you drove a ferrari, you'd have pimp factor.
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Just to add...I have said in earlier posts. I think the turbo neon is a major accomplishment for DC. Biggest bang for buck, toppling poney cars for the first time in years. Its ability was showcased in the One-Lap of America where it did very well against very expensive iron. It is fast & cheap and thats a good thing.
It would kill an CSVT in a race, no doubt. But the CSVT has nice things going for it as well, great handling, smooth high reving engine with excellent throttle response, engine sounds are excellent, and it looks very nice. Just apples and oranges.
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how can you even feel right about comparing a torboed motor that was built last year, to a n/a motor that was built almost 10 years ago. Technology has moved in leaps and bounds, and they are designing better and better stuff everyday. If you want everybody to know you have a neon, go out and drive around in it instead of coming to the CONTOUR enthusiast group to brag about it. You are nothing but somebody who bought a car. You had nothing to do with designing the srt-4, so why are you so proud. The svt, (or tours in general) were an amazing car for there time. If you didn't buy one brand new, you never can or will. Anybody can buy a srt-4 any time they want too, it doesn't make them anything special. If you took an svt, and added 10# of boost, it would absolutely eat a srt-4, and that would give you bragging rights.
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
pimp factor=penis extension
I owned one an loved it, but it's just a contour, there is no pimp factor in a contour. It's a discontinued ford with dwindling aftermarkeret(that was never booming) and fanbase. Spring Zing 03? Now if you drove a ferrari, you'd have pimp factor.
Your new car is a small bubble with a turbo charger. the Focus Cosworth that is coming will beat it senseless. iF you think the Neon has a 'pimp factor' than i am sorry.
A contour SVT may not have a 'omg im a trashy whore you have a benchpark wing i love you' pimp factor , but it has a class factor , and a uniqueness.
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
Holy Cow, GOD is here to pass judgement on this thread! I'm so excited.
so tell me, how do you really feel?
I just checked out your mods, I'd be mad to if I were you.
You are an ass.
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Originally posted by DimitriPopov:
Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
Holy Cow, GOD is here to pass judgement on this thread! I'm so excited.
so tell me, how do you really feel?
I just checked out your mods, I'd be mad to if I were you.
You are an ass.
Lol, that cracks me up You have to admit it was kinda deserved
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Ahhh... the SRT-4. Indeed, a very nice car. I would like to have one! Except, when a new girl asks... "So whaddya drive?" And you say... "An SRT-4". And she says: "Oh... what's that?".... and you say "A neon..." Oh yeah, your reply was longer, but that's all you got in till she walked away! Forget pimp factor when talking about Neon vs. Contour. My Cougar is waaaay harder than both! But still... bring me the SRT-4. Gyad.. I'd love to be pushing one of those with a full warranty and a Stage 2 or 3 upgrade pushing 300+ horses at the wheels in that light little car. I'd smoke everything! (Except of course for big-daddy SVT Cobra... but he's double the price!) Then again, in a neon with 300+ horses, you might indeed be pushing it soon enough! Massiv.P.S. Can someone here help me justify owning two cars so I can go and buy one already??
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
A turbo svt will DESSIMATE an SRT-4!
Yes, with overnight parts from Japan.
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Originally posted by GreenNuggs:
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
A turbo svt will DESSIMATE an SRT-4!
Yes, with overnight parts from Japan.
oh.. I forgot that part...
with $10,000 we can have parts overnighted from japan!
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he's a former svt owner. no reason he shouldn't be on this site. he now owns a srt-4 and you critize him. I guess cause his car is faster than your's. so what if the srt-4 is ugly. it's fast and has more parts coming that will be warrantied and be even faster. a body kit, lowering springs, custom hood and interior would fix the looks and he'd still be faster than you. a new svt contour didn't cost much more than a new srt-4 so if I guess you're saying anybody could own either of the cars.
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nobody is critizing him for coming on the site. I think everyone's problem is that he thinks he's wayyyy better than everybody else because he has a faster car than the tour. I'm sure everyone is really happy for him, and I'm sure just about everyone here likes to hear about faster cars, but every post I've seen him make has said something like no, that car is not ugly because my car is WAYYYYYYYYY faster than yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, and validates no point whatsoever.
Two things 1.Your car is not faster than mine. I, as well as a lot of other people on this site, have more cars than the tour, and the srt-4 while not easily beat by a tour, is still just a turboed neon, and very easy to beat with say... an m3.
2. You CAN NOT go buy a brand new svt. They stopped making them. srt-4s are readily available.
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Originally posted by Brad10071977:
nobody is critizing him for coming on the site. I think everyone's problem is that he thinks he's wayyyy better than everybody else because he has a faster car than the tour. I'm sure everyone is really happy for him, and I'm sure just about everyone here likes to hear about faster cars, but every post I've seen him make has said something like no, that car is not ugly because my car is WAYYYYYYYYY faster than yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, and validates no point whatsoever.
Two things 1.Your car is not faster than mine. I, as well as a lot of other people on this site, have more cars than the tour, and the srt-4 while not easily beat by a tour, is still just a turboed neon, and very easy to beat with say... an m3.
2. You CAN NOT go buy a brand new svt. They stopped making them. srt-4s are readily available.
Man I was gonna leave this alone too...
-We'll go from the bottom up, readily avail is relative since there were only 3700 made.
-How does a stock 13.9 second car not easily beat a stock 15.5 second car?
-Unless the M3 is is 01 or newer, yes it can easily be beat by a "turboed neon".
-what do you drive? You tell me I "think I'm way better than everybody becuase my car is so fast" (which if you search this thread hasn't been said). THen you say my car can beat yours. No info offered.
-the bottom line is there are haters in the world. And people that think this is penis measuring contest. Well I'm italian and I drive a turboed neon. So I win.
now you can think that I think I'm the greatest person in the world becuase I have a 20k turboed neon. And I can think you're a tool.
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I'm board so I just thought I would throw this in... Ford - First On Race Day MOPAR - Mostly Old Parts And Rust Buell - Haven't thought of one for this yet. (It should have a good meaning though) Suggestions welcome... -Matt
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Originally posted by Brad10071977:
nobody is critizing him for coming on the site. I think everyone's problem is that he thinks he's wayyyy better than everybody else because he has a faster car than the tour. I'm sure everyone is really happy for him, and I'm sure just about everyone here likes to hear about faster cars, but every post I've seen him make has said something like no, that car is not ugly because my car is WAYYYYYYYYY faster than yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, and validates no point whatsoever.
Two things 1.Your car is not faster than mine. I, as well as a lot of other people on this site, have more cars than the tour, and the srt-4 while not easily beat by a tour, is still just a turboed neon, and very easy to beat with say... an m3.
2. You CAN NOT go buy a brand new svt. They stopped making them. srt-4s are readily available.
I ahve had Convos with Alt-SVT(SRT...LOl...sorry)and he has never come off in anyway that woruld seem sulting or stuck up. He has actaully been quite helpful with some questions of mine. I can understand how some of his posts can be taken in the wrong way, but you have to look at everything here on this site with an open mind. Its hard to tell what people mean by something when you can hear the tone of there voice and Facial expressions....i say we quite the petter bickering and move on....
Ok SVT is fast, SRT-4 is faster...big whoop...lets all just get over it and realize that we cna turbo are cars too....Its not a big deal we just have to out more effort into our vehicals.
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Originally posted by MBR2003:
I'm board so I just thought I would throw this in...
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MOPAR - Mostly Old Parts And Rust
Buell - Haven't thought of one for this yet. (It should have a good meaning though)
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2.0:
MOPAR-Move Over People Are Racing.
Alright, that is about the funniest thing I have heard in awhile.
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2.0:
Originally posted by MBR2003:
I'm board so I just thought I would throw this in...
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Buell - Haven't thought of one for this yet. (It should have a good meaning though)
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
-Unless the M3 is is 01 or newer, yes it can easily be beat by a "turboed neon".
Just a small correction. An E36 M3 will run even with an srt4. You will not easily beat one unless you have mods.
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Originally posted by D Davis:
My Montana will own every vehicle mentioned in this thread
How about the Full Size 5.7L Chev Express in the driveway.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks  , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon  . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
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Ripper...
Doubt it. Back in the day, my 5.0L ripped a new a$$hole in many an E36 M3 that stepped up. One word for you: OVERHYPED!
That car's junk, bud. The only thing going for it is resale because people believe in the BMW name. Bah... Some SRT-4's are putting down a 13.9 quarter. That will absolutely smoke an E36 M3, just as my old 5.0 did, with 1979 technology. BIG DEAL! Come to think of it... that little turbo POS will even beat most 5.0L's with light mods...
It's OK to give props where due. Dodge did a *really* good thing here... yeah, it's a neon, but it's hella fast, and largely revised. If you have an older M3, maybe you'll get lucky and Dodge's turbo 2.4L will bolt right in???
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As for you, Rychie, that's a nice fantasy list. Since you're 17, why don't you add Britney Spears and winning the lottery as well? I mean, after all... I should hope you'll run even if you actually ever get around to dumping 10K into your Contour.
While we're fantasizing... let me tell you about my 1000hp SVT Cobra, 10 villas around the world packed with scantily clad women year round, and of course the look on your face when you dump a few thousand into your car only to get beat by that 16 year old kid down the road with parents richer than yours that thought it would be fun to get their kid with the SRT-4 that warrantied stage 3 kit after all.
Point is: The car is awesome no matter which way you slice it. Do I want it? Geez... probably not... (or do I?) but it is superbly executed, especially for dodge.
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Originally posted by Massiv:
It's OK to give props where due. Dodge did a *really* good thing here... yeah, it's a neon, but it's hella fast, and largely revised. If you have an older M3, maybe you'll get lucky and Dodge's turbo 2.4L will bolt right in???
Massiv.
Ever heard of the RARE Dodge Lancer Shelby???
4 door, 5 spd, lowered, body kit, and big turbo.My friend bought one for $2K and it is stock from the factory 170ish hp and a little over 200 tq from a 2.2. The same engine that came in the K Car but with a stage 2 turbo, not the regualr one that some lancers got. Anyways...you can get a stage 3 turbo for it, bolt on, and some have (with other needed modifications) gotten close to 300 hp. Not many know of this rare car, being that his was one of some 250 available to Canada in '89.
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Originally posted by Massiv:
Ripper...
Doubt it. Back in the day, my 5.0L ripped a new a$$hole in many an E36 M3 that stepped up. One word for you: OVERHYPED!
That car's junk, bud. The only thing going for it is resale because people believe in the BMW name. Bah... Some SRT-4's are putting down a 13.9 quarter. That will absolutely smoke an E36 M3, just as my old 5.0 did, with 1979 technology. BIG DEAL! Come to think of it... that little turbo POS will even beat most 5.0L's with light mods...
It's OK to give props where due. Dodge did a *really* good thing here... yeah, it's a neon, but it's hella fast, and largely revised. If you have an older M3, maybe you'll get lucky and Dodge's turbo 2.4L will bolt right in???
Massiv.
Fist off, I'm not discrediting the neon. It is an incredible performer for the price. I'm just saying that the 2 door manual 96+ E36 m3 ran about a 14 flat quarter bone stock (no killing there), not to mention had great handeling and braking. There were automatics and convertibles and four door versions that were slower, but nothing above a mid 14 (these you could kill I suppose).
Second, if you call an e36 m3 a piece of junk, you have major problems. Have you driven one? I have. I get a little angry when people think performance is the only attribute of a car that is indicative of value. Look at the contour svt. It is a limited production grocery-getter that runs mid 15s. Big deal. Still, there are a lot of people out there that love it, myself included. The new cobra would kill an Acura NSX. Which one would you rather be in at the end of the day?
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Originally posted by bc_mondeo:
Originally posted by D Davis:
My Montana will own every vehicle mentioned in this thread
How about the Full Size 5.7L Chev Express in the driveway.
Yep, even that
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Originally posted by D Davis:
Originally posted by bc_mondeo:
Originally posted by D Davis:
My Montana will own every vehicle mentioned in this thread
How about the Full Size 5.7L Chev Express in the driveway.
Yep, even that
But does your 5 foot nothing Mom drive a 19ft Full Sizer?
-odd yet more common than not. At least it aint a MINIvan. Those drivers are crazy...
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I just have to chime in here again, its kind of dying down here. Dodges SUCK! And the SRT-4 is a pu$$y! Come prove me wrong, I'll enjoy it.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
I just have to chime in here again, its kind of dying down here.
Dodges SUCK! And the SRT-4 is a pu$$y! Come prove me wrong, I'll enjoy it.
LOL! I love it.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
I just have to chime in here again, its kind of dying down here.
Dodges SUCK! And the SRT-4 is a pu$$y! Come prove me wrong, I'll enjoy it.
Man, I'd love to race you warmonger. Make ya feel bad for dropping all that money.....
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
Originally posted by warmonger:
I just have to chime in here again, its kind of dying down here.
Dodges SUCK! And the SRT-4 is a pu$$y! Come prove me wrong, I'll enjoy it.
Man, I'd love to race you warmonger. Make ya feel bad for dropping all that money.....
Possible, but no worse the getting rid of my old car and slapping down a downpayment on a new one, right?
It'd be a fun race and win or loose I'd enjoy it.
But then again, its more likely I'll make you weep that you didn't just keep your SVT.
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In reality, this is a silly comparison. The SRT-4 is going to make a lot of cars a lot more expensive than an svt look bad in straight line performance. It is unquestionably a performance value. But going fast is about all you get (I think the braking was good too), most reviews have not rated it favorably in handling, comfort, style or anything else.
Its not going to win much besides going fast in a straight line, but that does count for a lot in a lot of people's books, including mine.
This reminds of this guy that posted on one of the fbody boards that he smoked a viper with his modifed trans am and then yelled at the guy "I bet you feel like sh*t for spending almost 3x as much on your car". Sure it feels good, but you kinda missed the point...at the end of the day, which car would you rather have?
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Turbo Dodge owners will enjoy thieir cars for 13.8 seconds at a time. The rest of the time we will be enjoying the balanced suspension, sharp handling, comfortable interior, and wonderful, free reving Duratec in our SVT's.
This thread is trying to compare apples to oranges, so it's not going to get anywhere!!
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Handling? EZ, you're talking out your tail, dude. Go here. See how it compares with the 2003 Boxter S or the SVT for that matter.... Hmmmm..... overpriced label? I think so. Get used to it haters, dodge just reset the standards..... car-videos.com
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
Handling? EZ, you're talking out your tail, dude. Go here. See how it compares with the 2003 Boxter S or the SVT for that matter....
Hmmmm..... overpriced label? I think so. Get used to it haters, dodge just reset the standards.....
car-videos.com
Ok some guy put together a website, thats neat, but Ive read in car magazines and other places(and I know that is not the end all either) that the svt focus and mazdaspeed protege for example out handles the SRT-4.
The only track comparison I see csvt vs. srt-4 is seabring, which has huge straightaways and would naturally favor a car with more power. The fact that the srt-4 runs only a tad slower than the boxster just proves my point -- under the right circumstances the SRT-4 is going to make a lot more expensive cars than a contour look bad. The power goes a long ways...but why dont you take it autocrossing and see how it does?
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use the pull down at the upper left of that page and compare it to the focus svt, or the contour svt. I don't care how it beats them, it beats them both hands down. I know the article you speak of with the mazdaspeed and the focus. The focus and mazda both got a .87 and the srt a .86 (that doesn't really justify outhandling) . It's easy to handle when your car is slow.
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Originally posted by Massiv:
As for you, Rychie, that's a nice fantasy list. Since you're 17, why don't you add Britney Spears and winning the lottery as well? I mean, after all... I should hope you'll run even if you actually ever get around to dumping 10K into your Contour.
While we're fantasizing... let me tell you about my 1000hp SVT Cobra, 10 villas around the world packed with scantily clad women year round, and of course the look on your face when you dump a few thousand into your car only to get beat by that 16 year old kid down the road with parents richer than yours that thought it would be fun to get their kid with the SRT-4 that warrantied stage 3 kit after all.
Point is: The car is awesome no matter which way you slice it. Do I want it? Geez... probably not... (or do I?) but it is superbly executed, especially for dodge.
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Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
rich kids can do anything, like dumping 10K into a CSVT.
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Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
With the money you're going to waste (who are you kidding, you're a 12 year old with a big wheel, come on now!), you could buy a Supra TT, which would own your a$$ all day long. Dumbass domestic ricer. (CBM, is that you?)
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
With the money you're going to waste...
could you define waste please? i'm sorry, i dont have to worry about *ahem* wasting money.
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Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
With the money you're going to waste...
could you define waste please? i dont have to worry about *ahem* wasting money.
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...meanwhile OC sits at home on his computer collecting unemployment checks while bragging he has a 200k house, 2 50k cars, enough cash for an SRT4...... 
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Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Massiv:
As for you, Rychie, that's a nice fantasy list. Since you're 17, why don't you add Britney Spears and winning the lottery as well? I mean, after all... I should hope you'll run even if you actually ever get around to dumping 10K into your Contour.
While we're fantasizing... let me tell you about my 1000hp SVT Cobra, 10 villas around the world packed with scantily clad women year round, and of course the look on your face when you dump a few thousand into your car only to get beat by that 16 year old kid down the road with parents richer than yours that thought it would be fun to get their kid with the SRT-4 that warrantied stage 3 kit after all.
Point is: The car is awesome no matter which way you slice it. Do I want it? Geez... probably not... (or do I?) but it is superbly executed, especially for dodge.
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Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
rich kids can do anything, like dumping 10K into a CSVT.
damn, sounds like somebody could use a good ass beating. Keep em in line.
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Originally posted by MotorCity:
...meanwhile OC sits at home on his computer collecting unemployment checks while bragging he has a 200k house, 2 50k cars, enough cash for an SRT4......
It's a tough life, but somebody's gotta do it.. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna take a dip in my Jacuzzi, and then run over to the bank (in my Porsche), to go cash some checks. I'd better put some sunscreen on, so I don't get burnt!
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
use the pull down at the upper left of that page and compare it to the focus svt, or the contour svt. I don't care how it beats them, it beats them both hands down. I know the article you speak of with the mazdaspeed and the focus. The focus and mazda both got a .87 and the srt a .86 (that doesn't really justify outhandling) . It's easy to handle when your car is slow.
I looked at the dropdown, and I did compare it to the contour, and yes it won, big surprise given the track. The contour isnt a race car, its a nice balance of power, handling, grocery getter, european styling, etc...You must have agreed at one point because you had one. I wasnt trying to start an argument with you, I like the srt-4. I personally would just have a hard time driving a riced up looking neon around, but I could almost if I made a bit of a leap just because of the value it represents.
Handling at speed is what we are looking at, and its easy to overcome weaker handling with exceptional speed and power, which is what the neon has.
In any case, I already have a fast car that I would put up against any streetable neon. You could get a stripper brand new z28 last year for just over 20k, and I noticed that the neon didnt compare too well to the 98 camaro on the track results. You can buy one of those used for about 13-14k now, with the extra 5-6k you would crucify the 20k neon in every category. And I noticed it also used the slowest times that car has tested in the 1/4 at 13.9, where as other reviews put it as low as 13.1, and some others have gotten the car into the 12s bone stock. Doesnt seem like a good comparison you say? Well neither does comparing a contour svt to a neon srt-4.
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Lol. Hopefully a Honda Civic doesn't back into your car while your cashing your welfare checks.
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Originally posted by ezsvt:
Its not going to win much besides going fast in a straight line, but that does count for a lot in a lot of people's books, including mine.
wow, you just wasted a whole post. The whole purpose for comparison was handling. And nobody argues that the focus svt doesn't handle superb. So if it handles very well and got an .87 and in the same motor trend comparison the srt-4 got a .86 what does that say about SRT handling? A minute ago you were talking about how straight line wasn't your cup of tea, what's this camaro talk all about then?
I hate the "I could buy a pinto for $20 and spend $19,980 on it and destroy a neon". No schit. 
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
Originally posted by warmonger:
I just have to chime in here again, its kind of dying down here.
Dodges SUCK! And the SRT-4 is a pu$$y! Come prove me wrong, I'll enjoy it.
Man, I'd love to race you warmonger. Make ya feel bad for dropping all that money.....
Dream on!
Even I'll tear you a new one!
Then if you're still feeling smart, we'll hit the curves and you can watch my tailights leaving you behind!
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I love schit talk. Stazi, stick to selling brakes bro, your car is maxed and mines a clean slate. Have you even raced your car in turboed form? Can you break mid-13's? Ever heard of the autocross KING? The NEON ACR? Same technology is on my car. Taillights? What taillights?
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My car is by no means maxed. It's only the beginning. The AutoX "KING" as you state is a stripped out Neon, on DOT tires, intake and exhaust mods and coilover suspension. AND that's only compared to other group G cars. Trust me I go to tons of AutoX's so I know what the fast Neons run. Showroom Neons are a joke and get schooled by stock Foci. You and you're open diff and skinny tires are just going to be smoking the inside tires in an AutoX, so relax killer! My car will walk a Mustang GT, I know I did it a number of times. It even held it's own against a Corvette (dead even on the roll). I've schooled a couple of Z-28's. Just ask people who've ridden in it. It hauls ass! Plus my passengers don't need to wind down their windows by hand!
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I'm glad it hauls ass, and I like all your factually supported evidence. So your car sounds like it runs 11's by the way you act as if you hand out beat downs to Z28's and vettes. You're getting mad for the same reason every body else does. I can beat you with my neon. [censored] the people in the back. Those power window modules weigh 20 lbs. Face it dude, my car comes complete with everything needed to beat a contour. And enough room for improvement to make it an enthusiast car.
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alright, this is just out of hand now. Theres only one way to solve this. Take it to the track. I guarantee if a Turbo Neon runs a S/c'd or Turbo 'Tour they may or may not win but all of them will be suprised at the four doors performance.
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
With the money you're going to waste (who are you kidding, you're a 12 year old with a big wheel, come on now!), you could buy a Supra TT, which would own your a$$ all day long. Dumbass domestic ricer. (CBM, is that you?)
Very true. Let's see 20K-Srt-Neon.....20K -MkIV TT Supra (SECKSIE!!!  )and faster stock for stock.
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Originally posted by Stazi the Aussie:
Plus my passengers don't need to wind down their windows by hand!
Stazzi, no need to resort to low blows!
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He just got a little mad, everybody does cause they can't STAND IT. But it's all good, I'll play the bad guy outcast in contour world. The thing is, I have driven the ish out of an svt contour, so it's safe to say I know what I'm dealing with. I know for a fact he's only a magazine racer when it comes to my car. And again, I'll leave with a smile.
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Originally posted by LoCoZ2.0:
Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
Originally posted by Rychie620:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
This is not a knock of the Neon, rather praise for the SVT which is still a kick after all these years. If I were 18, I would probably love the SRT4..
i'm 17, and i thought i should chime in on this. i dont like the SRTs for these reasons -- ugly looks , 4 banger engine, and that fact that its a neon . i like my 'tour much better, and once i get my playtoy 'tour hooked up (SVT turbo'd & intercooled 3.0L , venom nitrous , custom air intakes (yes, plural ), and high flow cats & exhaust ) i dont think it will be able to touch me.
With the money you're going to waste (who are you kidding, you're a 12 year old with a big wheel, come on now!), you could buy a Supra TT, which would own your a$$ all day long. Dumbass domestic ricer. (CBM, is that you?)
Very true. Let's see 20K-Srt-Neon.....20K MkIV TT Supra (SECKSIE!!! )and faster stock for stock.
the 93 supra still goes for about 24-25k used with over 100k miles on it. You wont get nothing for 20k.
To the neon guy -- I've always maintained that straight line performance is important to me, hence my camaro. Its just not why I bought the SVT contour -- I knew I wasnt going to blow anyone away with the that if I left it close to stock. But it can hold its own, and it is a joy to drive, and it has the look and feel of a more expensive european car. I was trying to be nice, because I think the neon is kinda cool conceptually, but --if I wanted a riced up looking, cheap feeling econobox with some serious get up and go, then Id look into a neon, but thats not what I and many others on the CONTOUR board want (right now at least). The cars do not serve the same purposes, they are not in the same category or class. If you want to compare the two cars, you might as well compare anything else made in the same time period, thats why I throw in the z28 for comparison sake. That is the point I was trying to make, different types of cars, different strokes for different folks.
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my only problem with your statement is the cheap feeling part. Have you ever even seen one other than in pictures? Nothing cheap looking or feeling about it. Whats cheap looking about an intercooler that spans the front of the car? Camaro's are more along the lines of cheap IMO, I could go buy a base camaro right now for $15k, probably cheaper because GM can't move a car to save their lives (short of a vette). That fact alone puts your coveted z28 in the same econo class as my neon.
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Originally posted by Massiv:
Ripper...
Doubt it. Back in the day, my 5.0L ripped a new a$$hole in many an E36 M3 that stepped up. One word for you: OVERHYPED!
That car's junk, bud. The only thing going for it is resale because people believe in the BMW name. Bah... Some SRT-4's are putting down a 13.9 quarter. That will absolutely smoke an E36 M3, just as my old 5.0 did, with 1979 technology. BIG DEAL! Come to think of it... that little turbo POS will even beat most 5.0L's with light mods...
It's OK to give props where due. Dodge did a *really* good thing here... yeah, it's a neon, but it's hella fast, and largely revised. If you have an older M3, maybe you'll get lucky and Dodge's turbo 2.4L will bolt right in???
Massiv.
Sorry, can let this go..the E36 is JUNK???
It is not a rocket, but it was when made the fastest sedan available at its price..Ran about 14.1@98MPH, so it was a bit slower than this turbo Neon but "smoked" is not the word I would use.
But the cars REAL claim to faim was exceptional handling & telepathic contols. By handling I do not mean the .86g or so on a skidpad (good but not better than an SVT). I mean it HANDLED. Ever drive one..its the benchmark, period. E36 even better than E46 which understeers more and has too ligh steering. The E36 "senses" the road and your next command. It would destroy most any car on a winding mountain road where confidence is more valuable than power or absolute gs pulled. The E36 won the best handling comparo in 1998 or so. In a series of objective tests/road/track courses (MUCH more than more than just steady state gs or lane change speed) it defeated EVERY othe CAR. Ferrari, Acura NSX, Porsche, everything at 1/2 the price and twice the seats!!!
M3 is the holy grail sedan of auto enthusiests..
Far as I'm concerned it still is despite biturbo Audis & S/C Benzes that are much faster but weigh 600 lbs more and handle "relatively" like crap.
Hmmmm, sounds like the CSVT vs SRT4 comparo..
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This is the best thread ever.
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
This is the best thread ever.
This thread sux man. I could care less about a SRT-4. Good for you that you own one. Personally I would have took the 20 g's and bought a used Lightning and walked all over just about anything I see.
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lightnings are sweet, but the best stock one I've seen in person is (at the track) 13.5. Which is right where guys with just a boost controller (like me) are running,. I was actually contemplating waiting for the new lightning to come out. But I'm sick of the direction svt is going in, and dodge is seriously in front right now with all it's new SRT vehicles that are in the works. Plus the current lightnings are auto's which is yuk IMO for racing, I just have a lot more fun shifting myself.
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Originally posted by ezsvt:
the 93 supra still goes for about 24-25k used with over 100k miles on it. You wont get nothing for 20k.
I spend ALOT of time over on Supraforums.. There are deals to be had, you just have to look for them. Heck, if I was working at the time, I would have picked up a mint 94 TT BPU w/ 82K miles for $17K.
But for arguements sake, then choose a 300ZX TT.. Can get 'em dirt cheap, they can go fast as heck, and they last forever.
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I feel the same way about the Lightning not having a stick shift for normal driving but for drag I'd take the auto. It will lay you in your seat hard core just punching it. I'm seriously considering buying a 2004 Lightning. I've decided to set up my 'tour for road racing which I like the stick shift. So I'd setup the Lightning up for drag. I'm not against a auto trans in a drag car.
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The lightning has 5.4 liters of displacement though. Can you add a maf and gain 40 whp on your neon? How about a computer chip that shaves a half second off your 1/4 time? The lighting has forced induction and big displacement so, like the new cobra, mods add insane amounts of power.
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
He just got a little mad, everybody does cause they can't STAND IT. But it's all good, I'll play the bad guy outcast in contour world. The thing is, I have driven the ish out of an svt contour, so it's safe to say I know what I'm dealing with. I know for a fact he's only a magazine racer when it comes to my car. And again, I'll leave with a smile.
Wow, thanks for the info. So C5's (not Z06) and Z-28's run 11's. You're talking like a newbie fool. You obviously have the memory retention of a goldfish as I NEVER said I was beating down Vette's. A Z-28 on the other hand (LT-1 engine) is a different animal, and he was as surprised as you would be if you ACTUALLY new how fast my car is. I don't see any facts from you either. You slap on a boost controller and act as if you have a an Enzo now.
And 20lbs for a window module - RIIIIGHT, maybe in a POS Dodge, but you'd be lucky if all 4 modules in the Contour weighed 20lbs TOTAL!
I guess if we rolled down the road side by side, I would be turning more heads thatn, your ass-in-the-sky Neon. Then when I walk you all the way up to 150mph you'll shut yer trap.
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
The lightning has 5.4 liters of displacement though. Can you add a maf and gain 40 whp on your neon? How about a computer chip that shaves a half second off your 1/4 time? The lighting has forced induction and big displacement so, like the new cobra, mods add insane amounts of power.
No my car doesn't have a maf, but I can buy MOPAR's Stage 1 kit for $328 and go from 215/245 to 245/265 at the wheels. That's pretty solid IMO.
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Originally posted by Stazi the Aussie:
Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
He just got a little mad, everybody does cause they can't STAND IT. But it's all good, I'll play the bad guy outcast in contour world. The thing is, I have driven the ish out of an svt contour, so it's safe to say I know what I'm dealing with. I know for a fact he's only a magazine racer when it comes to my car. And again, I'll leave with a smile.
Wow, thanks for the info. So C5's (not Z06) and Z-28's run 11's. You're talking like a newbie fool. You obviously have the memory retention of a goldfish as I NEVER said I was beating down Vette's. A Z-28 on the other hand (LT-1 engine) is a different animal, and he was as surprised as you would be if you ACTUALLY new how fast my car is. I don't see any facts from you either. You slap on a boost controller and act as if you have a an Enzo now.
And 20lbs for a window module - RIIIIGHT, maybe in a POS Dodge, but you'd be lucky if all 4 modules in the Contour weighed 20lbs TOTAL!
I guess if we rolled down the road side by side, I would be turning more heads thatn, your ass-in-the-sky Neon. Then when I walk you all the way up to 150mph you'll shut yer trap.
see I told ya he was mad. Name callin and everything. Way to show your maturity dude.
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Originally posted by Stazi the Aussie:
ass-in-the-sky Neon.
ROFL!! The back of the car looks like it has a lift kit on it!!
Fast, but not a good looking car at all . . .
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
my only problem with your statement is the cheap feeling part. Have you ever even seen one other than in pictures? Nothing cheap looking or feeling about it. Whats cheap looking about an intercooler that spans the front of the car? Camaro's are more along the lines of cheap IMO, I could go buy a base camaro right now for $15k, probably cheaper because GM can't move a car to save their lives (short of a vette). That fact alone puts your coveted z28 in the same econo class as my neon.
Oh please, its a neon for godsakes. Even if its not as cheap as the ones ive been in, people look at it and think cheap. Plus its way up there on the "cars built for girls" list. Maybe when you get some more money you can buy a turbo beetle-- i hear those are performance monsters too.
Many of the z28s I have seen seem cheap inside too, the plastics and such could use some work. So what, itll smoke the crap out of your neon. Anyways, since you obviously didnt understand the point I (and several others) were trying to make, Ill let it drop.
To the other dude about the 300zx, you can get some power out of them but they arent built like the supras, and dont run like them either. Stick with the supras, and if you can show me a link where I can get a 94 for 17k, send it to me and maybe ill buy the car
00 SVT Contour: SHM LT headers, LSD, Spec Stg 3...dyno:190.3whp sold 02/04
04 Subaru Baja Turbo 5-spd
00 Camaro SS 393cid: 510rwhp/469rwtq, 11.16 @ 124.95(hit 1-2 limiter)
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I think half the people in this thread forget that they're driving "just" a Contour. The Hertz special.
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
I think half the people in this thread forget that they're driving "just" a Contour. The Hertz special.
This statement is very true....you guys sound like a bunch of assclowns...
The SRT-4 is quicker stock, and will always have the potential to be quicker than an SVT Contour....provided that the owner is an enthusiast, and spends some dough! This is what happens when you compare technology of the late 90's to technology of the new millenium...Guys with modded to hell cars attempting to defend themselves against a new car that can match or even beat them. Think about the Corvette..back in the 60's it was fast as hell! Now we have the ZO6 that has been titled the best Vette ever! Now we all know the BB Vette's of the 60's made some serious power, but look at the smaller displacement ZO6 making more power, getting better mpg, and handling a ton better.
The SRT-4 is just a Neon, but us SVT owners just drive Contours. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges, granted the few turbo/supercharged SVT's are right on par with the SRT-4's...all they have to do is a few simple mods, and those "Neons" will be running hard as hell!
Would I sell my SVT turboed Contour for an SRT-4...no, but I would sell it for a ZO6, or possibly a C-6....any buyers interested?
2002 ZO6...462whp/410wtq
pretty darn fast!11.70 @ 122
silver/black
2006 Trailblazer SS(wifes car)
silver/black
2000 SVT-Turbo-sold
silver/blue #1699/2150
13.83 @ 102.82 on 5psi
13.51 @ 107.56 on 8psi
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Originally posted by wavrdr:
apples to oranges
Motion to ban this extremely overused statement from any further discussions
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
I think half the people in this thread forget that they're driving "just" a Contour. The Hertz special.
You don't see me attacking contours though? hmmm......
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"Absolut Rara."
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Um, I think this discussion has about exhausted its usefulness.
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