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Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:
Like I said I have beaten one (probably due to a crappy driver, MAYBE  ). I run a 16.9 and I have beaten my friend with a 2002 Cavalier ATX with the new Ecotec(140hp and 150Tq) who runs 17.3 (has intake and exhaust). So I can't see why a Zetec(MTX or ATX) can't beat a z24 (150-155hp 150tq IIRC)? 
17.3??? Are you sure it's not a 2.2L pushrod engine. 2002 was the last year for those. They might make 17's, but an 2.2L DOHC Ecotec is better than 17.3 any day.
Also you need to know the 2.2l Ecotec ONLY came out in the last quarter of 2002 and in the LS Sport (what the Z24 used to be) It NEVER came in the base models in 2002. That was the 2.2L pushrod (same displacement, but is a flexfuel 85 octane POS boat anchor)
Even at 17.3 there is no way an ATX Zetec would even be close. MTX Zetec yes, but I still say that at 17.3 he put the exhaust on the intake & vice-versa.
These numbers I am quoting are well documented facts people. Plus even if the MTX driver is terrible and skips all the even gears the ATX is brainless and still runs 16 flat. (Remember the numbers I am quoting are for the 2.4L - the Ecotec is probably a few ticks slower)
However even the grand ma with the Ecotec (2.2L ATX) is clocked at 17 flat in the 1/4 mile and that weighs over 400lbs more then a Cavalier. (you can even google search for that if you like!)
Wake up and smell the competition...  
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My cousin and I once took kis old school Z24 to his step-dads ranch and blew the crap out of it with everything from bats to his shot gun, all the way to his Desert Eagal .50 (hes a S.E.A.L.)..the we turned our sights on his ford LTD...and we did almost everything to it and the LTD ended up running for 5 min before the engine siezed because of loss of too much oil.
What did I learn from this...making things go BOOOOM is fun.
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well hmmm...I guess I can speak on this a little bit
my friend has a 2001 Z24 MTX and unless he mis-shifts I just don't see anyway my Zetec would be able to take him (stock to stock)...the car is too quick off the line
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Before I had any mods I raced a Z24 and was dead even, BUT I had A HUGE 500 pound disadvantage, because I had my 2 friends in there that weigh about 500 pounds together. I would've inched on him if it would've been only me and him... 
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One tried to run with me in the tbird; as well as he did in keeping up, there's no way an ATX Zetec could take it...
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Damn, you guys were all over it! I only got to make one post and the damn thread was locked. I felt like it was a bunch of bull, but I looked at it as an issue of no big consequence. Boy, he sure got mad didn't he?  By the way, my wifes new car is a '03 Saturn Ion (she picked it herself) with an MTX and the 2.2L ecotech rated at 142HP. That is the NICEST shifting transmission too, it shifts as slick as my SVT. It didn't seem very fast at first, but then I am coming from my 3L and I might have had to get used to it. It is very FUN-to-drive though. The one thing I noticed about it is that it revs pretty slow...as if it has a gigantic flywheel or something. I want to fix that and I want to squeeze more power out of it. What mods are there? I can't find any word about it on the saturn sites I looked at. Anyway, the ecotech 2.2L is a decent torquey motor and I am hard-pressed to believe an atx zetec will take it out. warmonger
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
so I guess demon won't bring his wifes Z24 to the national meet to race me then?
If you are running 16.8 what is the point really???
I mean honestly... Even for a stock ATX 2.4L that's almost a full second slower.
Besides why would I drive the Z24 to a Contour meet anyway.
The best I can offer is to take video of a run in her car. I feel 16 flat is doable at our local POS track.
Either that or you can find lots of video and slips on the j-body site already. It's not as if my wife's car is magically faster then the rest of them. (Heck it's almost stock - just a K&N drop-in and 2.3L pulley)
I have old slips for her LS (2.4L ATX) from the one time I took that to the track. Like I said 15.8x at 87.x mph. That had about 10HP more worth of mods to it and slightly smaller rims & tires. (205/60HR15 vs 205/55ZR16)
well I guess the 10+ Z24 drivers I have seen at the track don't know how do drive as good as you do... and I would say 8 out of 10 were ATX. and if it is so much faster than a Zetec come and show me... cause I have yet to see one run better than me unless they were on the bottle or turboed. and the 16.8 is a rather old time... and was on the crapy firestones that come stock on these car and I was never able to get traction... not an excuse for my time but they will be much better this summer, hell I bet they would be alot better today.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Besides why would I drive the Z24 to a Contour meet anyway.
I know the story, but you did drive the Cavalier to the dyno day last spring. So to answer your question you would if you didn't have your UIM
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Even at 17.3 there is no way an ATX Zetec would even be close. MTX Zetec yes, but I still say that at 17.3 he put the exhaust on the intake & vice-versa.
However even the grand ma with the Ecotec (2.2L ATX) is clocked at 17 flat in the 1/4 mile and that weighs over 400lbs more then a Cavalier. (you can even google search for that if you like!)
Wake up and smell the competition...
Well I beat him and I have beaten a z24. Stock for stock I would have lost, but with mods NO! My friends car was never ahead at any time in the race and neither was the z24. 
I have no idea why you think so low of the Zetec. You need to ride in one with mods.
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i know................ demon stop hating... you should just say, good job, fellow CEG'er. Way to support the group...
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