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Got to the track this weekend and improved on 1/4 mile times.
I don't have the time slips scanned yet,
but my new best run is a 14.45x at 96.x MPH
(Don't have the time slips with me at work for exact numbers).
That is with a 75HP shot from a Zex kit.
Without the bottle I run considerably slower,
but still the fastest Zetec.
16.68x 2 84.x MPH
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are you sure you got a 2.2 60' OFF the bottle ?
seems too good to be true for a zetec
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Just a 2.2 ON the bottle, 2.4 OFF the bottle.
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So this 75 shot is making over 200 HP??? (over a 2 second change in E.T. - on vs off)
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I can back him up on the 14.8 in pretty warm weather (he kicked my butt). I know this past weekend temps were probably in the low 40's or high 30's at the track. I wasn't out there for the 14.4 run though, but if I were a betting man, I'd definitely have my money on him running that!
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Originally posted by Chi-TowNSVT:
seems too good to be true for a zetec
why u gotta be hatin'??  
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Best ON the bottle run 14.847 @ 94.52 mph (2.4 60') Best OFF the bottle run 16.414 @ 89.79 (2.2 60')<-------- your sig is confusing 
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
Just a 2.2 ON the bottle, 2.4 OFF the bottle.
Best OFF the bottle run
16.414 @ 89.79 (2.2 60')
HUMMM guess you sig is fale then just like I thought... ooh and I can accept you new off the bottle time it looks legit. nice runs.
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Originally posted by Chi-TowNSVT:
Best ON the bottle run
14.847 @ 94.52 mph (2.4 60')
Best OFF the bottle run
16.414 @ 89.79 (2.2 60')<--------
your sig is confusing
yyou know that is why I have been waiting for over two months for another off the bottle run from him... cause if you looked at his time slip he was upt to .6 seconds behind D Davis and I all the way to the 1000" mark and then all of the sudden he wa able to gain .4 over me and .5 over D Davis... however the times he posted today I find to me legit unlike the last off the bottle run he had.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by Chi-TowNSVT:
Best ON the bottle run
14.847 @ 94.52 mph (2.4 60')
Best OFF the bottle run
16.414 @ 89.79 (2.2 60')<--------
your sig is confusing
yyou know that is why I have been waiting for over two months for another off the bottle run from him... cause if you looked at his time slip he was upt to .6 seconds behind D Davis and I all the way to the 1000" mark and then all of the sudden he wa able to gain .4 over me and .5 over D Davis... however the times he posted today I find to me legit unlike the last off the bottle run he had.
Jeez. 
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OK so let me get this straight A zetec is running a 14.8 with a 75 shot right??? so it puts him right about about what 210, 215????? But Demon is running 14.8's iirc and i know hes got alot more than that?? and im running like a 15.6and i have like 205ish or soo with my weak mods. So what im trying to get at is i don't understand how we have approx the same power why is he running those times??????? 
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Originally posted by Chi-TowNSVT:
Best ON the bottle run
14.847 @ 94.52 mph (2.4 60')
Best OFF the bottle run
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your sig is confusing
My OFF the bottle time of 16.4 was a bad time (for what ever reason). I didn't even realize I put a 2.2 60' time. It was never a 2.2, always 2.4's ON and OFF thebottle. I finally got my ON the bottle 60' time down in the high 2.2's
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Originally posted by SteedaSVT:
OK so let me get this straight A zetec is running a 14.8 with a 75 shot right??? so it puts him right about about what 210, 215?????
But Demon is running 14.8's iirc and i know hes got alot more than that??
and im running like a 15.6and i have like 205ish or soo with my weak mods.
So what im trying to get at is i don't understand how we have approx the same power why is he running those times???????
Most likely a better track and more low end torque (along with a flatter power curve on the juice). I know KCIR sucks very much badly... isn't that where you run Demon?
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Originally posted by bnoon:
Originally posted by SteedaSVT:
OK so let me get this straight A zetec is running a 14.8 with a 75 shot right??? so it puts him right about about what 210, 215?????
But Demon is running 14.8's iirc and i know hes got alot more than that??
and im running like a 15.6and i have like 205ish or soo with my weak mods.
So what im trying to get at is i don't understand how we have approx the same power why is he running those times???????
Most likely a better track and more low end torque (along with a flatter power curve on the juice). I know KCIR sucks very much badly... isn't that where you run Demon?
I'd also have to say WEIGHT!!!! The old Weight / Power ratio has a lot to do with it. PIR isn't that great, it is really bumpy off the line therefore causing wheel hop. But if you're a decent drag racer (obviously I'm not) you can get past that.
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Originally posted by bnoon:
Most likely a better track and more low end torque (along with a flatter power curve on the juice). I know KCIR sucks very much badly... isn't that where you run Demon?
Yeah that is where Demon runs and the track is horrible. The track literally has potholes and you have to avoid them so no one gets hurt. Scary huh?
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Originally posted by Qbert:
I'd also have to say WEIGHT!!!! The old Weight / Power ratio has a lot to do with it.
But what exactly is the weight difference between an iron Zetec and an aluminum Duratec? Anybody know?
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Originally posted by Qbert:
I'd also have to say WEIGHT!!!! The old Weight / Power ratio has a lot to do with it.
But what exactly is the weight difference between an iron Zetec and an aluminum Duratec? Anybody know?
That's just it. The engines are fairly close in weight. Even at the far range of possible weight difference you are talking maybe ~100lbs for a stripped down Zetec compared to a more well appointed Duratec.
That's .1 seconds or so at the track. (not even taking into account the fact the Duratec makes more power & has a much better powerband!)
I would sure love to see video considering this small nitrous shot took off well over 2 seconds. (which is BS just considering the physics involved in that!)
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Somebody is not very happy with a Zetec running with the Duratecs.
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Listed SVT Curb Weight: 3129
Listed MTX Zetec Curb Weight: 2603
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Not saying the weight difference justifies any times, but with all the extras the SVT has it is quite a bit heavier, regardless of slight engine differences.
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Originally posted by Ausgedient:
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Listed SVT Curb Weight: 3129
Listed MTX Zetec Curb Weight: 2603
Weight Difference: 526 lbs.
Not saying the weight difference justifies any times, but with all the extras the SVT has it is quite a bit heavier, regardless of slight engine differences.
Those weights are inaccurate.. SVT is about 3040 lbs with sunroof. Most zetec weights I,ve seen printed are about 2850 llbs or so, mostly due to less options (smaller wheels, brakes, radiator, no power seats, sunroof, body kit) The zetec motor weights within about 60 lbs of Duratec so a 500 lb weight difference is not going to happen stock. Max maybe 200 lbs, 250 tops. Congrats on your times..I am not doubting them but I do think the degree of improvement suggests that your "shot" is closer to 100 than 75...either way, big bang for buck.
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Originally posted by Ausgedient:
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Listed SVT Curb Weight: 3129
Listed MTX Zetec Curb Weight: 2603
Weight Difference: 526 lbs.
Not saying the weight difference justifies any times, but with all the extras the SVT has it is quite a bit heavier, regardless of slight engine differences.
My car is about ~3080 lbs with me and a 1/4 tank of gas (no spare or jack). This is according to truck scales, so I don't know how accurate it is.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
Somebody is not very happy with a Zetec running with the Duratecs.
That has nothing to do with it. Why would you even bring such an idea up? It has everything to do with you saying a 75 shot took off over 2.2 seconds on a 3000lb car. That is not "physically" possible! (trust me - I'd have a mid 12 second SVT otherwise if it were that easy! ) Even a 100 shot would not cut your time that much. For instance - Adding a S/C to an SVT cuts a good 1 second off it's time and that increases the power around 100 "at the wheels!"
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Demon I really haven't read all of the post about this 14 second Ztec and don't care because I know whatever they do to mod there Ztec's I can do to my Duratec and will always have more power. However I can tell you from past experience with my Mustang when it still had a 5 litre I used a 100 shot and picked up 2 seconds and 10 mph so don't assume it couldn't be true.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Sleeper:
Somebody is not very happy with a Zetec running with the Duratecs.
That has nothing to do with it. Why would you even bring such an idea up?
It has everything to do with you saying a 75 shot took off over 2.2 seconds on a 3000lb car. That is not "physically" possible! (trust me - I'd have a mid 12 second SVT otherwise if it were that easy! )
Even a 100 shot would not cut your time that much.
For instance - Adding a S/C to an SVT cuts a good 1 second off it's time and that increases the power around 100 "at the wheels!"
hey demon with only adding ~10WHP I dropped .5 seconds off my times got video and times slips if you wanna see them.... the first year I drag raced my Zetec with just exaust I was getting at best 17.4's added an UDP and a CTA intake and I then get 16.8... and you say with 75hp you can't shave off 2.2 seconds yet with MAYBE 10WHP I dropped .6 seconds and I have the dyno to prove my UDP gained me a qhole 2hp and 8tq have yet to dyno with the CTA though but I would guess under 10WHP for it goto www.myfamily.com log in with CEGCEG and password of contour and download all the videos of me racing on there and you can see what the times went from and to what I am running now which based on what you are saying to sleeper is my time improvements are also impossiable too... and I have a few CEGers who were there and know what little I did to my car to get the improvements I did...
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Sleeper:
Somebody is not very happy with a Zetec running with the Duratecs.
That has nothing to do with it. Why would you even bring such an idea up?
It has everything to do with you saying a 75 shot took off over 2.2 seconds on a 3000lb car. That is not "physically" possible! (trust me - I'd have a mid 12 second SVT otherwise if it were that easy! )
Even a 100 shot would not cut your time that much.
For instance - Adding a S/C to an SVT cuts a good 1 second off it's time and that increases the power around 100 "at the wheels!"
hey demon with only adding ~10WHP I dropped .5 seconds off my times got video and times slips if you wanna see them.... the first year I drag raced my Zetec with just exaust I was getting at best 17.4's added an UDP and a CTA intake and I then get 16.8... and you say with 75hp you can't shave off 2.2 seconds yet with MAYBE 10WHP I dropped .6 seconds and I have the dyno to prove my UDP gained me a qhole 2hp and 8tq have yet to dyno with the CTA though but I would guess under 10WHP for it goto www.myfamily.com log in with CEGCEG and password of contour and download all the videos of me racing on there and you can see what the times went from and to what I am running now which based on what you are saying to sleeper is my time improvements are also impossiable too... and I have a few CEGers who were there and know what little I did to my car to get the improvements I did...
Damn use some punctuation. I think it is possible to knock off 2 seconds with nitrous. Just off my times improving and Joe's too. I improved my time of 17.6 to a 17.3 just by a TB and a little cooler weather. 
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OOH and demon I think you really under estimate the Zetec.... I gave Rick aka buckshot a ride form gingerman to the hotel at Spring Zing last year and he thought I had a duratec... his exact words was this isn't bad for a standard duratec. he was shocked to find out I had 2 less cylinders and .5 less displacement.
and on the weight differences how much does your front and rear bumpers off the SVT weigh my guess is more than a non SVT's the leather interior well that would too be more that the cloth interior of a non SVT, how about the SVT side skirts??? the motor for the power seats too. you add every thing up and there is about a 500lb difference between a SVT and a GL Zetec. and the Zetec it self is ~80 lighter than the duratec.
demon you gonna come to Spring Zing next year??? I'll be there I'll race you and I bet you would be suprised as to how well a little Zetec can keep up with a SVT. ooh and I don't have a bottle and won't be getting one either.
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Please for the sake of everybody driving Zetecs, don't try to make a Zetec contour out to be something it's not...and don't challenge a car that is over 2 seconds quicker than you to a race for the sake of Zetec pride. Joe you've done a nice job with your Zetec, two thumbs up, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell you'd stand up to a equally prepped SVT. Reality!
Your last post sounds almost like ricer, Hondababble. "My VTEC can whup your GT Rustang..."
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Please for the sake of everybody driving Zetecs, don't try to make a Zetec contour out to be something it's not...and don't challenge a car that is over 2 seconds quicker than you to a race for the sake of Zetec pride. Joe you've done a nice job with your Zetec, two thumbs up, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell you'd stand up to a equally prepped SVT. Reality!
Your last post sounds almost like ricer, Hondababble. "My VTEC can whup your GT Rustang..."
Jeez what is up with this post? What is wrong with having Zetec pride? It is a quality engine.  Well Sleeper having nitrous (and a Zetec) and running 14.4 when the fastest Duratec (and Contour) ran a 13.8 is impressive. Why must you put all us Zetec owners down? At Gingerman there were SVTs that were trying to KEEP up with my Zetec. I passed a few of them too. So what is your point? Not only that I was only pushing 111 HP to the wheels at the time. What is a stock SVT? 160 or so?
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Nothin wrong with Zetec pride!
I love my Zetec much more than my duratec. I just think with as hard as everybody is workin to earn some respect for the Zetec from the Duratec croud. Posts like that last one take us a step in the wrong direction when the race is an obvious non-contest.
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Nothin wrong with Zetec pride!
I love my Zetec much more than my duratec. I just think with as hard as everybody is workin to earn some respect for the Zetec from the Duratec croud. Posts like that last one take us a step in the wrong direction when the race is an obvious non-contest.
No problem, we just have to take them to the road course. 
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Please for the sake of everybody driving Zetecs, don't try to make a Zetec contour out to be something it's not...and don't challenge a car that is over 2 seconds quicker than you to a race for the sake of Zetec pride. Joe you've done a nice job with your Zetec, two thumbs up, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell you'd stand up to a equally prepped SVT. Reality!
Your last post sounds almost like ricer, Hondababble. "My VTEC can whup your GT Rustang..."
Did I say I would win???? answer NO... all I said is you would be suprised as to how well I would keep up... granted where I lack the HP he does I would fall behind then I have seen many a SVT running the same and slower 60's as me and you say equally preped.... so where do I send my Zetec contour to get the SVT team too tweak it for me??? and besides there are alot more Zetec after market parts than there are duratec parts too. but if you want to go with the equal thing OK new SVT lets just say $20k new Zetec $13k you know what I could get for my car for $7,000??? I do and I bet there isn't a snow balls chance in hell any SVT would be within site if me.... all I will say is COSSWORTH... yes I know the prices are not 100% accurate cause I know the SVT's were over 20 and I also know of a few Zetecs that were more and less than 13.
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Ok, I payed $2800 for my thunderbird, that leaves me $10000 to put into it...it'll run low 9's for that kind of money...but in reality, that money game doesnt work...If all the zetec contour owners had the $7000 they saved over a SVT in their pocket, somebody woulda stepped up and got a turbo by now. Truth is, if you had the extra $7000 when you bought the car, you would probably have an SVT rather than the base model.
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Ok, I payed $2800 for my thunderbird, that leaves me $10000 to put into it...it'll run low 9's for that kind of money...but in reality, that money game doesnt work...If all the zetec contour owners had the $7000 they saved over a SVT in their pocket, somebody woulda stepped up and got a turbo by now. Truth is, if you had the extra $7000 when you bought the car, you would probably have an SVT rather than the base model.
I don't want a SVT...just the body kit.
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Well what I see here is people comparing cars that run low 17's stock to cars that run low 15's stock. It'd take an excellent Zetec driver and a complete n00b in the SVT to even be a contest; stock vs stock. Don't mean to step on any toes (or egos) but high 16's doesn't usualy command a whole lot of respect...though it does put us in a nice class of cars: V6 automatic Camaro, 1990 Z24 Cavalier, 1991 Baretta, 1993 Dodge Colt, 1992 Dodge Spirit, 1992 Geo Prisim, and a 4500# Issusu Trooper...
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Ok, I payed $2800 for my thunderbird, that leaves me $10000 to put into it...it'll run low 9's for that kind of money...but in reality, that money game doesnt work...If all the zetec contour owners had the $7000 they saved over a SVT in their pocket, somebody woulda stepped up and got a turbo by now. Truth is, if you had the extra $7000 when you bought the car, you would probably have an SVT rather than the base model.
I could of gotten an SVT but I didn't want one...the insurance differeances from my Zetec to the SVT was not worth it in my opinion. too bad my base model has never had a motor blow up or a water pump fail at 40k miles.... guess I should of spent that extra money for all that added fun
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Well what I see here is people comparing cars that run low 17's stock to cars that run low 15's stock. It'd take an excellent Zetec driver and a complete n00b in the SVT to even be a contest; stock vs stock.
Don't mean to step on any toes (or egos) but high 16's doesn't usualy command a whole lot of respect...though it does put us in a nice class of cars: V6 automatic Camaro, 1990 Z24 Cavalier, 1991 Baretta, 1993 Dodge Colt, 1992 Dodge Spirit, 1992 Geo Prisim, and a 4500# Issusu Trooper...
odd my MTX didn't run low 17's stock it was mid to high 17's stock. I have NEVER seen a stock SVT do low 15's at Route 66 where I race.... even modded ones I haven't seen the do that. all I've seen from the SVT's at 66 have been mid to high 15's but I have seen a MTX SE do low 15's there. and for those who don't know route 66 is a NHRA track not some mom and pop track.
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Well that's odd...my first run was a 17.2 @ 79.85 @ National Trails Raceway in Columbus. I was so embarassed  that my car was that slow so I never posted the times on here  . But if yours was high 17's stock, I guess that makes me feel a bit better . After that day, I gave up on racing my Contour and went back to working on my Thunderbird.
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I'm not even sure where this thread is going now Anyway, Sleeper - your OFF bottle times seem much more realistic now than they were before. Good job. I'm not going to debate the N20 runs because a witness spoke up earlier in this thread. HOWEVER, this is for Blackie: Big friggin' deal if these guys are trying to "prove" themselves. I have some things I want to have done by next Spring so that when myself and Po-Jay (SVT owner) get on the road courses out here in Phoenix I can maybe - just maybe - stick with him off the straights. Don't come in here and tell people not to try and compete just because you may not see any rationale behind it. Again I see the money issue coming up, as well. Why does that seem to come up when Zetec owners are mentioned? Does Zetec = dirt poor or something? You're right, no one that I know of has the t/c on their Zetec. But you can't rule it out as not happening soon. We all have some aspirations when it comes to our cars. I want to eventually squeak past SVTs (not entirely impossible), Sleeper wants to have the fastest official Contour 1/4 time, ZetecRacing wants to have all posts contain no punctuation, etc. Competition is what keeps being an enthusiast fun. I could buy an SVT when this car is paid off in a few months (and I might) but that allure of doing something off-the-wall is what will keep the Zetec in my driveway.
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Originally posted by D Davis:
HOWEVER, this is for Blackie: Big friggin' deal if these guys are trying to "prove" themselves. I have some things I want to have done by next Spring so that when myself and Po-Jay (SVT owner) get on the road courses out here in Phoenix I can maybe - just maybe - stick with him off the straights. Don't come in here and tell people not to try and compete just because you may not see any rationale behind it.
I never said not to compete...just don't purposely outclass yourself.
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Again I see the money issue coming up, as well. Why does that seem to come up when Zetec owners are mentioned? Does Zetec = dirt poor or something? You're right, no one that I know of has the t/c on their Zetec. But you can't rule it out as not happening soon.
Joe brought up the whole money deal. He made some comment about having an extra $7000 because of not buying a SVT; I was simply pointing out that nobody really has that $7000 in their pockets to drop on mods.
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We all have some aspirations when it comes to our cars. I want to eventually squeak past SVTs (not entirely impossible), Sleeper wants to have the fastest official Contour 1/4 time, ZetecRacing wants to have all posts contain no punctuation, etc
It's great to have plans and goals, and I know it's completely possible, but until that happens, some people need to lose the whole "Zetec is better", big headed attitude.
Originally posted by D Davis:
Competition is what keeps being an enthusiast fun. I could buy an SVT when this car is paid off in a few months (and I might) but that allure of doing something off-the-wall is what will keep the Zetec in my driveway.
And doing something different is what makes that competition fun. Making your own intake instead of just buying one; that's what makes it fun. Actually making horsepower from your motor rather than just straping on nitrous; that's what makes it fun. But talking sh*t isn't fun or "enthusiastic" anyone. That's what inspired me to post in this topic in the first place.
The Zetec MTX Contour is a GREAT starting block, for a real fun car. But please don't make it out to be something it's not. A Honda Civic isn't a race car without ALOT of preparation; neither is a MTX Zetec Contour.
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This topic is still going on?
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Nah, It's done.
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Nah, It's done.
Agreed...and I see your point; I guess I didn't come across the way I wanted to
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oh yeah well well my ...... blah , i have a 98 tour v6 runs 15.2 all day long and its going bye bye cuz its too slow 
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I've had both and I like the 6 better, but I'm not going to be divisive and go "Zetecs suc". Go to a Honda-child website for that. Isn't this the CEG and doesn't it include all CDW27 cars from ATX GL's to 3.0L converted SVT"s??? Anyway, I can understnd Big Joe's wanting to "climb another mountain", cool that he pushed his SE as far as he wanted to.
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Originally posted by CB99SVT:
and don't care because I know whatever they do to mod there Ztec's I can do to my Duratec and will always have more power.
really?? please show me the 800-1000hp duratec? ooh wait there isn't one, i'm sorry. and you know how many turbo kits are out for the duratecs, hmm one, that can push it close to 300hp compared to one that will fit a contour that pushes 350hp and that others are available... but i guess that's not more power than your duratec.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
really?? please show me the 800-1000hp duratec? ooh wait there isn't one, i'm sorry. and you know how many turbo kits are out for the duratecs, hmm one, that can push it close to 300hp compared to one that will fit a contour that pushes 350hp and that others are available... but i guess that's not more power than your duratec.
Here you go.. http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63&threadid=56301That would be in excess of 1000 HP. The Dutweiller 450 HP turbo 2.5L is strongest street Duratec application I know of, though several 3L with turbo or S/C will soon challenge that. FWI..it really is no big trick to make HP with boost with even the smallest of motors. Boost also overcomes poor head design & lots of other deficiencies. Lots of marginal engines out there with turbos look like hot stuff. ANY motor has great potential with enough psi is what I'm saying..nothing to brag about.
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My point was that if you take a Duratec and a Ztec and do the same mods the Duratec will make more power. You are correct that the current Ztec turbo makes more power but it does so with considerably more boost than the Duratec kits are using. If one was inclined to build a low compression Duratec and turn the boost up to 18 psi guess what it will make more power than a Ztec with the same mods and equal boost.
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Originally posted by CB99SVT:
My point was that if you take a Duratec and a Ztec and do the same mods the Duratec will make more power. You are correct that the current Ztec turbo makes more power but it does so with considerably more boost than the Duratec kits are using. If one was inclined to build a low compression Duratec and turn the boost up to 18 psi guess what it will make more power than a Ztec with the same mods and equal boost.
well I just got cam gears can you show me who makes cam gears for the Duratec??? OOH wait a minute they don't make any for the duratec... I could go on with after market parts we have avaliable that you duratec owners do not have if you would like...
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Here you go..
http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63&threadid=56301
That would be in excess of 1000 HP. The Dutweiller 450 HP turbo 2.5L is strongest street Duratec application I know of, though several 3L with turbo or S/C will soon challenge that.
let's see, that link is for a 3L duratec,, hmm which you don't have (i have my zetec ), it has two turbos (zetecs only need one for 1000hp), and it's RWD. like zetecracing said, more parts available for zetec = more power available. and don't forget a zetec can be bored for some more displacement, and it's lighter. and the water pump doesn't fail.
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Esslinger did a Zetec without a turbo or supercharger or a bottle and was making over 400whp. can someone show me a 2.5L duratec that does that or a 3L?
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was that in a zx2 or zx3? i remember seeing it on their site, but never any real info about it. and noone's gonna show you a duratec with any real n/a power.
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ZX2 it was also running low 9's to high 8's too BTW
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
ZX2 it was also running low 9's to high 8's too BTW
I got to the magazine with that ZX2 in there.
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guys stop, I'm getting embarrassed to be a zetec modifier, really this stupid crap is going way too far. You guys are older than me right?? and i'm damn young so please act mature and stop making us all look bad, follow d davis, you guys dont see him acting like he's 10 fighting about how blue shoes are better than green shoes.. please just modify your cars and dont brag.
smile everyone, we all own contours, remember???
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This Just In, 16.9 @ 82mph, NOT a fast Quarter Mile E.T.
I will repeat...this all sounds like Ricerbabble. Joe you sure you wouldn't rather be driving VTEC?
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Why is it that to compare the Zetec and Duratec they must have the exact same mods?
I don't want to be like everybody else and do the exact same mods, I'm doing something different. Originality!
If we want to get in the money arguement, lets look at how much money SVT owners have to spend (including car) to get in the mid to low 14's. I gaurantee a hell of alot more than I paid to do it.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
If we want to get in the money arguement, lets look at how much money SVT owners have to spend (including car) to get in the mid to low 14's. I gaurantee a hell of alot more than I paid to do it.
...and I've never seen a normal SE Duratec run 13's with just a few bolt ons either... ...oh that's right; it's been done long ago...  I'm happy you like your nitrous setup. I think nitrous sucks personally. Very temporary! Let's do a road race. You may keep up the first 30-40 seconds or so, but then you're slow as normal again. Hey folks. None of our cars are very quick. Even high 13's isn't blazing speed. We are all being different driving our Contours, Mystiques, Cougars, etc. Regardless what engine is in them. Enough beating the dead horse already...
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Esslinger did a Zetec without a turbo or supercharger or a bottle and was making over 400whp. can someone show me a 2.5L duratec that does that or a 3L?
OK, you will have to show me that one..until then I'm calling BS.. Or more politically correct..the probability of truth is unacceptably low.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Esslinger did a Zetec without a turbo or supercharger or a bottle and was making over 400whp. can someone show me a 2.5L duratec that does that or a 3L?
OK, you will have to show me that one..until then I'm calling BS.. Or more politically correct..the probability of truth is unacceptably low.
it's there, go look at it, just search for it on yahoo or esslinger's site,,, that's funny, can't accept the zetec being fast,,, and this is more tuner talk than ricer talk, i'm not saying a stock zetec can beat a duratec, but a modded one easily can., i've seen plenty of hondas; N/A,turbo, supercharged, and bottle fed that can easily blow the doors off of any contour (currently ). you duratec guys need to realize just cause you start out with more power, doesn't mean you'll end up with more power.
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I'll road race.
I think you be suprised how well I do.
Its not all about HP in road races.
Suspension, breaking, & driver too.
SVT has me only slightly (if at all) in suspension,
I have rear drums compared to the SVT rear disk (so you got me there),
and my driving skills are a bit above average.
And any distance I MIGHT fall behind in the curves I can make up in the straights.
Nitrous does exactly what I want it to,
make me go faster when I need it.
Plus I still get better gas mileage.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
I'll road race.
I think you be suprised how well I do.
Its not all about HP in road races.
Suspension, breaking, & driver too.
SVT has me only slightly (if at all) in suspension,
You're right about HP, well for the most part. But I'll give you a ride in my SVT one of these days on track and I think you'll think twice about the suspension comment. I think the SVT walks over the other stock contours. Now if you bring in an aftermarket suspension, that is a different story. A well setup aftermarket suspension should outperform the SVT's suspension, but trust me, not too many people actually can figure out how to correctly set a suspesion up. There is a lot more to suspensions then just lowering a car.
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I've got the stiffer SE suspension, front and rear strut tower braces, and 19mm rear sway bar.
Still running the stock 15" Sport rims with sticky tires.
Not lowered at all.
Rear drums unfortunately, but upgraded front brakes.
And no ABS luckily.
So a stock SVT isn't to much better than where I am at.
Not putting the SVT down, I really like it, just saying that a Zetec can be modded to hang with and even beat one.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Esslinger did a Zetec without a turbo or supercharger or a bottle and was making over 400whp. can someone show me a 2.5L duratec that does that or a 3L?
OK, you will have to show me that one..until then I'm calling BS.. Or more politically correct..the probability of truth is unacceptably low.
it's there, go look at it, just search for it on yahoo or esslinger's site,,, that's funny, can't accept the zetec being fast,,, and this is more tuner talk than ricer talk, i'm not saying a stock zetec can beat a duratec, but a modded one easily can., i've seen plenty of hondas; N/A,turbo, supercharged, and bottle fed that can easily blow the doors off of any contour (currently ). you duratec guys need to realize just cause you start out with more power, doesn't mean you'll end up with more power.
Its customary for the one making the wild claim to post the link not send everybody else on a wild goose chase. Hey, I did not say anything bad about your 4-pot. I realize, accept, and otherwise do not care about the fact that a zetec, or even a 1.3L GEO Metro can go faster than me with 1)nitrous, 2)turbo, 3)S/C, 4)extensive internal mods, 5)transplant engine or a 6)gutted car. But not with bolt ons. ...Honda, well thats another level of engineering..they make the best 4-cylinder in the world and use high RPM breathing instead of forced induction..which I respect alot. Nothing against turbos..as former MR2 T owner myself, but as I said they overcome almost all engine weaknesses and can make 1000 HP in everything from an LS6 to a 1.3L Geo. If you wish to gloat about 1000 HP zetecs, thats fine..I was just responding to the comment about no powerful turbo Duratecs. You know I talked to Ken Dutweiller's shop awhile back..that 450HP single turbo 2.5L Duratec was just getting warmed up and using modest boost, street gas. The guy says they met the Ford HP objective and quit turning up the boost wick. But he guessed that another 100-150 HP would be no problem with the stock billet crank. http://www.mercurycapri.com/projectrsx/v8sho/25v6turbo.htmlTry 600 HP with your stock nodular iron crank if you want to talk boost..
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Try 600 HP with your stock nodular iron crank if you want to talk boost..
Not gonna happen...
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yeah so i get another crank, ummm did you have a point there? and joe didn't make a wild claim, he posted a fact and if you don't believe it, then you can find it, since it's you who doubt, though joe probably will post a link. and i don't think honda makes the best engines, i saw where summitracing threw a bunch of costly mods onto a vtec, and gained some decent horsepower but about 2 or 3 ft lbs of torque, which is what really matters. the s2000 gets spanked routinely at the local 1/8th mile track because it's mainly good for just top end,, now they can all be heavily modded to be good, but they're not the most powerful engines out there, gm's ecotec (modded) has set a (drag) record for 4cyls. my main point is the zetec has far more potential than ya'll duratec owners think, as sleeper and joe have proven, and hector. and again, like joe said, where is a N/A duratec with 400hp?
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I believe my point was lost on you but I await the link.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
I believe my point was lost on you but I await the link.
i asked what your point was, but i guess my question was lost on you. here are some parts for the zetec http://www.zetecracing.com/zetecindex.htm here is a pic of the fast car:  here is some info on zetecs in drag racing http://www.urbanracer.com/features/nira_website.html don't have time to find more info, but i don't need the info,, you wanted it; find it.
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Well I tried that link, no 400 FWHP zetec but they said this: "Top Focus teams now include Team AEBS' 7 second entry, the NuFormz/Meguiar's Focus, STR's entry and the Escort ZX2 of Esslinger Engineering. Nelson Hoyas' V6 tube framed Focus will be shooting for 6 second, 200 mph runs when it joins this field for the first time." Wonder what kind of V6?? And no, i am not going to go find the link..cause I did not make the claim. Anyway, my points are quite clear and if you choose to think that I am somehow badmouthing "zetecs" then so be it. I'm going to say goodbye to this thread.
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Congratulations on the new time.
i'm a little late on this thread....
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
the Escort ZX2 of Esslinger Engineering.
Wonder what kind of V6?? i think it's a 302 (5L).
that would be the zx2 joe was speaking of,, it's running in a class close to the 7 sec. focus, and the 6cyl focus.
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Holy Crap. I actually read this thread? Plain and simple both engines are great engines for their own reason. I have one of each and am happy with each. If I had enough money I really don't know which one I'd play with first. Most of the attributes have already been discussed so I'll leave it at that. Just remember though there are many variations of the same vehicle, and I'm sure they are all represented on the CEG. We all share the same interest and there is no need for anyone to harp on anyone else in light of that. Honestly we really can all get along.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Well I tried that link, no 400 FWHP zetec but they said this:
"Top Focus teams now include Team AEBS' 7 second entry, the NuFormz/Meguiar's Focus, STR's entry and the Escort ZX2 of Esslinger Engineering. Nelson Hoyas' V6 tube framed Focus will be shooting for 6 second, 200 mph runs when it joins this field for the first time."
Wonder what kind of V6??
And no, i am not going to go find the link..cause I did not make the claim. Anyway, my points are quite clear and if you choose to think that I am somehow badmouthing "zetecs" then so be it. I'm going to say goodbye to this thread.
dan it is really sad that you can't even read what you quoted... I spoke of the ZX2 not the focus they mentioned at the end... and esslinger doesn't do v6 motors... read here: Since 1989, Ford 2.0L and 2.3L engines have had the benefit of increased power production and better reliability due to parts engineered and manufactured by Esslinger Engineering. From simple bolt-on parts such as billet aluminum underdrive pulleys to completely CNC machined cylinder heads and engine blocks, Esslinger Engineering has been providing complete solutions for everything from your mom's daily driver right up to their hot-blooded 10-second naturally aspirated Pro Stock ZX2 dragster.
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Originally posted by 96zetec:
follow d davis, you guys dont see him acting like he's 10 fighting about how blue shoes are better than green shoes
hee hee hee - this was my favorite part :tear:
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low 14's isn't fast...... wait until you get into the 12's to brag...... i dont see you you knock 2 seconds of with a 75 shot of nos.
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Hey, if you are ever out in NY area with your car, we can goto the track. I will race you and you can see how fast a contour svt really is.
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Originally posted by godzilia:
low 14's isn't fast...... wait until you get into the 12's to brag...... i dont see you you knock 2 seconds of with a 75 shot of nos.
I wasn't bragging. This is the "Dyno and Drag" forum where we can post out times. That's all I did. I know low 14's isn't fast, but its pretty quick for a mid 17 second 4 cylinder with no real mods (according to many on this board). So I guess if I run a 14.4 with no "real" mods, then everybody with "real" mods should be embarassed I am out running them. And I have raced an SVT, QBert's SVT, and beat it in the 1/4 mile, as he posted earlier in this thread (page 1).
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Originally posted by godzilia:
Hey, if you are ever out in NY area with your car, we can goto the track. I will race you and you can see how fast a contour svt really is.
HAHAHAHA...I would love to watch your face! You'll probably destroy him off the line, you'll get through first and be in the lead, put it in second and say to yourself, "This Zetec isn't that fast." Then by the mid to top part of second he'll come on like a freight train and blow by you...pretty incredible actually when you think that most of us duratec guys think we have pretty strong 2nd and 3rd gears. I've raced quite a few cars and not one of them has come on as strong in 3rd as his car.
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14s from a car with no "real" mods definetly is respectable, seeing as the new sporty cars ,se-r,srt-4,wrx run similar times.
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Dont get me wrong I like my zetec, but I think you need to check some times, as the se-r only runs a 15.9 on a good day with a perfect driver. However I think the car looks very nice and I'd take one anyuday of the week.
Just a little correction.
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se-r spec-v runs mid 14s with a decent driver, my friend has one, definetly a nice car, he always gets asked "where'd u get those se-r badges" and "what kind of seats are those" it's all stock. now when he gets his nitrous hooked up, the car will really be flying.
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/roadtests/pdf/2002_07_furious_data.pdf excuse me, i was off by three tenths... however if you're saying your friend can beat road and tracks drivers....well, umm congrats to him. Once again, the car is nice, but not in the ranks with a wrx and srt 4, try putting it next to the svt focus, 1.8t volskwagon (sp?), and the new v6 tiburon.. thats what every magazine did... why should we do any different. want competition for the wrx and srt-4, try the new mazda speed protege (14.1) or the new evo (my personal choice) doing a 13.7. 19k doesnt buy you 14 second 1/4 times, however 25k does. I aint tryign to be cocky, I just read too many magazines.
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sorry, but 19k plus $500 will buy you sub 14s times.
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nitrous is 500 bucks and will put alot of [censored] in the 14's , but if you're fu(king stupid enought o put nos on a brand new car, well then, I dunno but sleepers car didnt cost 19k i promise and he hit 14's. bad comparison, what aabout a wrx with a 75 shot or for that matter an srt4. be realistic, nitrous isnt a turbo
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Hell, you could get a 3.0 taurus's bloated ass to run 14s with $500 worth of nitrous. I testdrove a SE-r Spec-V and it wasn't any faster than the Focus SVT that I testdrove the same day. And the Focus would hand the SE-r it's ass in any kind of cornering!
They're both high 15 cars if the driver is worth a fuçk.
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when did i say nitrous=turbo????? and i can find plenty a used car that will hit sub14s for less than 19k. i can get a 800hp car for less than $25k,,, money is never a valid point when it comes to cars. and do wrx's have turbos? imagine if se-rs had turbos, they would be faster than wrxs and srt-4s then,, but if you save $5k , then you can easily use that to make it faster than the $25k cars. there are ways to hide the use of nitrous anyways if it causes damage.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
there are ways to hide the use of nitrous anyways if it causes damage.
Um...no. If you've ever seen a leaned out piston, it's pretty obvious.
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And you better save $4000 of that money to fix your car after you modify it and void the warranty.
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you did compare sleepers car to a wrx and srt 4 They have turbos and he has nitrous....ok...see my point now?? Alright second subject "seeing as the new sporty cars ,se-r,srt-4,wrx run similar times" you said these run similar times...not me. on teh same subject of a duratech whooping a zetec a$$ witht the same mods, put the same mods on the differnt cars, and the faster one stock will win obviously.. Kremit please, you are smarter than this, dont waste your hand speed typing you need that for bed tonight. Money is no object, however those cars arent in the same playign field at all, accept it god damn!
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I will once again tell you that the $X,XXX amount of money you save will NEVER actually be in your pocket to be used for mods!!! It just doesn't happen like that; unless you have $25000 in your savings account from flipping hamburgers at MCDonalds.
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yep sure sucks moving out and paying for your own school, no not highschool art fees,I mean college. Doesnt leave crap left to mod your car, however I guess it gives you a concept of money...
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Originally posted by 96zetec:
I guess it gives you a concept of money...
Don't you hate having the concept of money? I'd rather have the frickin' money! Who needs a concept? 
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Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Originally posted by 96zetec:
I guess it gives you a concept of money...
Don't you hate having the concept of money? I'd rather have the frickin' money! Who needs a concept?
Same here.
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first of all, i think you misunderstood much of what i said. second of all, i didn't say with same mods your gonna beat a duratec, i said the base power doesn't matter if you have more stuff to give your car power. it's just stupid that some duratecs owners think that zetecs are worthless, just cuz they start out with 40hp less, and then get mad when one beats them. and big deal if i had the times wrong on the se-r, i already said my bad.
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racing wires = 35 bucks = 0 hp
homeade cai with filter = 35 bucks= 6 hp(being nice and some toxice pvc fumes)
swaybar and bushings= 50 buck =0 hp
being stupid enough to think that is modding.... pricelss
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
you can go slap a new piston in there for a decent price if you decide to use nitrous, anything else that went wrong the dealer can fix.
you really don't know how a dearlership works.... NOS= no more warrenty.... sad but true... and there are more ways they your small mind could ever understand that will allow them to know if there has been NOS on a car or not. besides NOS is the "poor mans power adder" big daddy garland (sp?) old time drag racer.
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Ceteris paribus, more displacement equals more power. Despite their obvious differences, if you added exact components two each, ie. a turbocharger system, the Duratec would be better. But you have to add in other factors, an important one being the size of the engine bay. If you were building the ultimate performance Contour, factoring in the size of the engine bay, you would use a four cylinder. But no one is trying to build the ultimate Contour, and each engine has its place. Sleeper, I've said it before and I'll say it again, nice passes!
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
you can go slap a new piston in there for a decent price if you decide to use nitrous, anything else that went wrong the dealer can fix.
you really don't know how a dearlership works.... NOS= no more warrenty.... sad but true... and there are more ways they your small mind could ever understand that will allow them to know if there has been NOS on a car or not.
besides NOS is the "poor mans power adder" big daddy garland (sp?) old time drag racer.
Not this crap again.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
you really don't know how a dearlership works.... NOS= no more warrenty.... sad but true... and there are more ways they your small mind could ever understand that will allow them to know if there has been NOS on a car or not.
goes to show what your small mind knows, either that or there's just some dealers around here with small minds that can't figure it out. there are ways to hide the use of nitrous, believe it or not, i don't really care, but anyways that poor man goes faster than you (though you don't seem to have too much money yourself, shouldn't you have a turbo by now, mr.richie?)
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Originally posted by Ausgedient:
But no one is trying to build the ultimate Contour
you sure about that???
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Originally posted by Blackie:
racing wires = 35 bucks = 0 hp
homeade cai with filter = 35 bucks= 6 hp(being nice and some toxice pvc fumes)
swaybar and bushings= 50 buck =0 hp
being stupid enough to think that is modding.... pricelss
racing wires cost more than that,, and i never said my car is some great modded out car, (there is no requirement that the sig only have mods ) and i think something that gives added horsepower and something that gives added handling would be considered modding,, but i guess i'm too stupid to know what modding is, but atleast i can spell pricel ess. i bet you think you have a great modded car, sport with maybe an intake, i reckon on a sport an intake is a mod though i know you don't want a lowly four banger to be faster than you (and look better) but it has happened, and will happen again. or am i too stupid to add more stuff to my car, or maybe i won't have money to do it please give me your exact definition of modding so i can live up to your great standards when you get a fast car, then come back and talk to me (i'll go ahead and stop talking to you now). by the way, i've done more to my car then what's listed (probably not mods though, what do you call them, changes? ) and u see that planned: HellaRS body kit,,, hmm seeing as that's a group buy that you have to pre-order and put a deposit on, i'm definetly getting it, is that a mod??? wait, your gonna say i don't have the money to get it, get it painted, and get dual exhaust to make it look right.
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wow dude, you care alot... umm blackies tbird will beat the hell out of your car until you get a turbo or nos if thats ever in your plans, so I wouldnt be questioning his car's speed. He realizes the sport isnt worth modding, therefore no there isnt even an intake on it... but whatever this is getting dumb, lets drop it and be zetecers again... sound good kremit??
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i'm always a zetecer,,,,but according to blackie i'll never have money to get a turbo or anything else, and i think the sport would be worth modding, and just because he doesn't think my car is worth modding doesn't mean he should dog on me about it. it seems if somebody didn't want to see contours look good and go fast, then they wouldn't be on these forums.
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He likes the contour, i just think that zetecers seem to be a little too confident in their car's ability lightly modded(no nos or turbo) focus guys with cams udp cam gears exhaust and custom burned chips are getting to like 160 hp...yeah thats respectable, but not enough to keep up with an svt. I dunno I just think that people need ot realize any car can be modded and go fast, its just how much time and money you have to put into it..
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Final thoughts: 1. NOS is fast 2. NOS is cheap (analyze "cheap" however you want ) 3. Duratec in stock form will whup Zetec in stock form 4. Duratec will still whup zetec with equal mods 5. Zetec with mods could possibly whup a Duratech with no mods 5. Some Zetec owners suffer from a small "displacement" syndrome. 6. Modding is fun 7. Modding costs money (even PVC ) These are the facts. On that note, I proclaim this thread dead...everybody please quit posting!
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Final thoughts:
1. NOS is fast
2. NOS is cheap (analyze "cheap" however you want )
3. Duratec in stock form will whup Zetec in stock form
4. Duratec will still whup zetec with equal mods
5. Zetec with mods could possibly whup a Duratech with no mods
5. Some Zetec owners suffer from a small "displacement" syndrome.
6. Modding is fun
7. Modding costs money (even PVC )
These are the facts.
On that note, I proclaim this thread dead...everybody please quit posting!
Still nobody has answered my question; Why must a Zetec and Dutatec have the exact same mods? I thought when you compared cars, you compared cars as they are, not "if they had the same mods". If we're gonna do this same mod comparison, then strip two cylinders off the Duratec and compare it to a Zetec. Hell I'll race off the bottle and Duratec that pulls two plugs out of their engine, any two, and I'll win!
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
Still nobody has answered my question;
Why must a Zetec and Dutatec have the exact same mods?
I thought when you compared cars, you compared cars as they are, not "if they had the same mods".
If we're gonna do this same mod comparison, then strip two cylinders off the Duratec and compare it to a Zetec.
Hell I'll race off the bottle and Duratec that pulls two plugs out of their engine, any two, and I'll win!
somebody finally understands , of course duratec is faster (and more expensive and more prone to failure) and svt foci with 30hp less than svt contour can nearly keep up (driver's race)some duratec guys are just too egotistical, just accept it, zetecs can be fast. in N/A form, zetecs have proven to have more potential, and just as much non N/A. blackie, i'm sorry that you don't like the fact that i'm modding my zetec, but you can't stop me, i'm sorry you don't think zetecs can be fast, but that's just another thing you can't stop, and yeah modding cost money, and i'd rather spend my money modding a zetec, why do you have a problem with that?
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My last post...
Never once did I say Zetecs couldn't be fast.
I was just makin the point that people runnin 16.8-17.8 in a quarter mile shouldnt be talkin [censored] to somebody runnin 14.7! That's what got me into this thread in the first place. It's an obvious non-contest!
Kermit...go ahead and mod your car. I just commented because you brag of modding your car and all you've done is pieced together some pvc for an intake, put on a swaybar and put on some performance-wise wortheless spark plug wires. I see your "future mods" list...good luck, I hope you can tell me "I told you so" in a few months; until then, lose the attitude.
On the equal mods topic...compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
You are comparing 2 motors; not fu¢king mods!. Not a modded zetec to a unmodded duratec. I'm sure I could mod a fu¢king Briggs & Stratton lawnmower motor to beat a Zetec. Is it a better motor? Fu¢k no!
Everytime I make a legit reply, somebody comes back with "Well if I added a turbo" or "Well if I added NOS" and Kermit even tryed to be cute by pointing out that I misspelled "priceless". It's getting to the point that I'm getting stupider everytime I read a reply. I'd be better off posting at streetkiaz.com!
You guys all just need to drop the whole "My Zetec is better" bullshit! For god's sake somebody made a post called "Duatec guys aren't too happy "...How fu¢king childish!
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I run a 14.4, so why compare myself to somebody that runs a 14.7?
I'm quicker and perhaps faster.
I never once said, "Hey my Zetec is better because I modded it."
I posted my times, that is what this forum is for.
An SVT owner then decided that my times were impossible, especially for the Zetec.
So it was a Duratec person that decided to start the hole" my engine is better than yours" thing.
And other Duratec owners were quick to agree, although i had one SVT owner on my side.
I am the person that started the "Duratec guys aren't happy thread".
Why? To rally the Zetec owners with me because the Duratec owners rallied against me.
It accomplished its goal.
When you go to the track, do you only race people with the same mods?
No, you race people with similiar times without regards to their mods.
If everybody had to have the same mods on the same cars, modding would be damn boring.
And then there would be no point in any motorsports.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
1. An SVT owner then decided that my times were impossible, especially for the Zetec.
2. So it was a Duratec person that decided to start the hole" my engine is better than yours" thing.
1. No I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible. Regardless on any engine. (remember the 12 sec SVT reference) Don't put words in my mouth.
2. Again I never said either engine was better or worse. Just that that much of an improvement is unheard of! (IIRC laws of physics on a 3000lb car)
So if you want to justify your assinine rantings (and the other folks) do it without making up BS about other people. This is exactly why I stopped posting in this thread, but there is no way I'm letting you blame your mental complex on me by making up crap I never said.
Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!
So wake up and smell the bullsh^t and hippocrasy you are shoveling.
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Yeah Demon !!!!!!!!
He is a waste of anyones time. I still don't see with a 2.2 sixty foot him running a 14 second pass. He would have to do a perfect r/t and 1.6 sixty foot to get a 14 second pass off a 75 shot and off the bottle he runs a worst short time with a 16 second pass. You ran 12 MPH faster in one slip than the other. You are telling us that is a 75 shot? Sorry bud but with a 75 shot your looking to pick up 7 - 8 MPH. I am familiar with nitrous due to I run it on my 3,100 lb Mustang GT and with me running a 125 shot I barely pull over a second faster (14.2 @ 98 MPH off bottle & 13.4 @ 108 MPH) on the bottle. I am going to have to call BS on this.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
1. No I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible. Regardless on any engine. (remember the 12 sec SVT reference) Don't put words in my mouth.
2. Again I never said either engine was better or worse. Just that that much of an improvement is unheard of! (IIRC laws of physics on a 3000lb car)
So if you want to justify your assinine rantings (and the other folks) do it without making up BS about other people. This is exactly why I stopped posting in this thread, but there is no way I'm letting you blame your mental complex on me by making up crap I never said.
Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!
So wake up and smell the bullsh^t and hippocrasy you are shoveling.
Me? You are the one shoveling! You have no proof, were I have a witness and time slips. You stated "I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible". How is that not stating my time is imosssible? I guess you need to learn to read, becaus I NEVER said my engine or any Zetec was better than a Duratec, yet you accuse me of it here; "Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!"
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Originally posted by PhatSVT:
Yeah Demon !!!!!!!!
He is a waste of anyones time. I still don't see with a 2.2 sixty foot him running a 14 second pass. He would have to do a perfect r/t and 1.6 sixty foot to get a 14 second pass off a 75 shot and off the bottle he runs a worst short time with a 16 second pass. You ran 12 MPH faster in one slip than the other. You are telling us that is a 75 shot? Sorry bud but with a 75 shot your looking to pick up 7 - 8 MPH. I am familiar with nitrous due to I run it on my 3,100 lb Mustang GT and with me running a 125 shot I barely pull over a second faster (14.2 @ 98 MPH off bottle & 13.4 @ 108 MPH) on the bottle. I am going to have to call BS on this.
I have a witness (QBert), so I guess he's lying too. If you know sooooo much, then you would know r/t has NOTHING to do with ET. So I guess I'm running a 150 shot on my car and some how my "crappy" Zetec engine has managed to not blow up from doing so. Talk about impossible!
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Originally posted by Blackie:
My last post...
Never once did I say Zetecs couldn't be fast.
I was just makin the point that people runnin 16.8-17.8 in a quarter mile shouldnt be talkin [censored] to somebody runnin 14.7! That's what got me into this thread in the first place. It's an obvious non-contest!
Kermit...go ahead and mod your car. I just commented because you brag of modding your car and all you've done is pieced together some pvc for an intake, put on a swaybar and put on some performance-wise wortheless spark plug wires. I see your "future mods" list...good luck, I hope you can tell me "I told you so" in a few months; until then, lose the attitude.
On the equal mods topic...compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
You are comparing 2 motors; not fu¢king mods!. Not a modded zetec to a unmodded duratec. I'm sure I could mod a fu¢king Briggs & Stratton lawnmower motor to beat a Zetec. Is it a better motor? Fu¢k no!
Everytime I make a legit reply, somebody comes back with "Well if I added a turbo" or "Well if I added NOS" and Kermit even tryed to be cute by pointing out that I misspelled "priceless". It's getting to the point that I'm getting stupider everytime I read a reply. I'd be better off posting at streetkiaz.com!
You guys all just need to drop the whole "My Zetec is better" bullshit! For god's sake somebody made a post called "Duatec guys aren't too happy "...How fu¢king childish!
When did I brag about modding my car??? yeah i'm in the process, but i never bragged about it. now about comparing motors, stock non svt zetec =32.5hp per cylinder, stock non svt duratec =28.3hp per cylinder noone said a zetec is better (although it does seem much better for modding) and the duratec guys aren't happy, as you have proven,,, and talk about childish, you keep telling a 16yr old he won't have money to mod his car and continously argue with him (me),, you obviously don't want me to mod my zetec for some reason (don't want a 4 banger to be faster than your 6?), sorry dude, but i'm modding my zetec, and zetecs can be fast.. i don't have an attitude other than the fact that i don't like people telling me i'm not gonna have money to mod my car, until you can deal with the fact that i'm modding my lowly zetec, don't tell me how much better a duratec is.
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ATX? it will never be fast. sorry. unless you are loco !
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
"96 Contour GL ATX"
ATX? it will never be fast. sorry. unless you are loco !
 
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
now about comparing motors, stock non svt zetec =32.5hp per cylinder, stock non svt duratec =28.3hp per cylinder noone said a zetec is better (although it does seem much better for modding) and the duratec guys aren't happy
Who said duratec guys aren't happy. That comment about HP per cylinder cracked me up. This whole thread is hilarious infact..some of you guys keep talking about "potential" and pointing to drag cars as inspiration..why do you think Ford invests big bux in these drag cars? So people like you will say "my zetec can make 1000 HP" and buy lots of Fords and Ford parts. Every engine has potential with enough cash thrown at it..as in my 1.3L Geo analogy. I have the potential to travel to the moon. It is OK to dream but from a practical standpoint, potential is grounded to a degree by practicality..this is reality. Reality check..stick to turbos and nitrous with zetec. It worked good for sleeper. The only "potential" N/A you have is the potential to drain your bank account. The ONLY, I say again ONLY Zetec Contour to make a zetec move N/A was "madmole" from the UK. He spent IIRC $4000 dollars on porting/cams/cam gears/blueprinting/etc to make about 165 FWHP or about what a stock SVT makes. His only next move was a $3000 weber/intake conversion, not sure if he went through with it. You could EVEN start with SVT zetec at about 150 FWHP and go from there but the thing has headers stock as well as a trick intake manifold that you can't port..so you will spend big bux extracting more HP here too. You show me a zetec making N/A 180 FWHP and I will show you an owner that spent a bundle (and who could have had money left over from the $5000 turbo). Turbocharging is a great solution for zetec. Not because it will make more power than a turbo V6 (it will not) but because it will do it cheaper...you only have to by 4 mass produced forged rods, forged pistons. V6 has to buy 6 custom made of both..there you go. My earlier point about the crank is that zetec will need a crank upgrade at some point (400 HP??) where as Duratec's billet piece will hold more power..thus "evening out" the parts outlay cost as you approach 600 HP (which is more power than our FWD cars can put to the ground without "drag car" suspension/wheel/tire/chassis/tranny mods). You can (and will) tell me you can do what you want with your engine. But its all talk till you do it & talk is cheap. In 3 years at CEG Ive heard about 1000 guys talk about expensive engine buildups in a Contour that has limited resale value. Only recently have a few guys poneyed up for turbos and forged internals...all duratec guys. Don't tell me what you could/should/would/will do..just do it. Oh, BTW..I did see the 10 second "all motor" ZX2. While intriguing I did not see any details. It did not even say it was a zetec. If it was, I'm sure it was bored & stroked out to about 3L and the only remaining zetec part is the block. I'm sure it cost a fortune to build as well. But, I may be wrong about calling BS on that but I would want more details.
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Demon, get your head out of your arse and look at some numbers! You're an educated boy, you obviously must have passed physics since you're so dead set on proving this impossible. Now when you read this post remember this run was probably done in 40 degree weather with low humidity. Now I really didn't use physics to prove this, but feel free to show me and the others the proper weigh to prove this using physics and how it changes the outcome. I'll be happy to help with the equations too .
Lets say Sleeper is putting down 115hp then add 75hp to that, so we'll say 190whp (218.5chp). Now there is no way in hell his car weighs 3000lbs! My car in race trim for autoxing weighs in at 2950lbs (so has another countour at a SCCA Solo II National Tour). Now take out a bunch of our options and I'm sure his car is probably 2750lbs! So you're telling me that a car with a weight to power ratio of 12.6:1 can't run a 14.4?
Lets figure your weight to power, you're probably putting down 195-200whp now? Lets go for the 200whp figure so figuring 230chp and you've done a little weight savings too, so figure your car only weighs 2850lbs. You have a power to weight ratio of 12.4:1. Now have you had your beast at the track yet? I'd imagine you could run low 14's too! It may be really hard to launch that beast though, but all it would take is one great launch.
Just to give some reference points. The 320hp Cobras have a weight to power of around 10:1 (translates to what, mid 13's). Integra Type-R's fall in around the 12.9:1 range (14.8's or so). Hmmm, seems to me that Sleeper is right in the correct range and I don't have to prove it since I've SEEN IT!
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Thanks again Qbert!
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Dan, it's not about money, and turbo'd zetecs have made more power than duratecs (sorry you didn't know that), the 10 second zx2 is a zetec with esslinger parts. and don't tell me about what my engine can or can not do until your engine can do more than my can do (oh, sorry, now you can't talk) stock power is nothing unless you plan on leaving your car stock. the zetecs have proven themselves, deal with it.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
until your engine can do more than my can do
It already does...
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So much elitist BS from both sides...I can't take it any more!! *refreshes page hoping for more replies*
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Originally posted by D Davis:
So much elitist BS from both sides...I can't take it any more!!
*refreshes page hoping for more replies*
I'm the best, na-na-na-na-na!
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
until your engine can do more than my can do
It already does...
I said CAN, my engine CAN, just not yet... it's all about potential,,, there's plenty of v8's out there with more power, but not all of them have the potential. the duratec engine isn't a bad engine by any means (other than water pumps,etc.) but you gotta realize the zetec is no wimp. like someone else said, pull two of your spark plug wires off and then race a zetec.
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I'm telling you no respect. So much potential on both engines with the correct amount of money. You got to be willing to spend it. That is all there is to it.
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It cannot...but it might..someday..maybe.. Just messing with you.. This has been fun but all I was really pointing out was that 1) ALL engines have potential with enough green, even ancient OHV V8 tech can be turned into a 2000 HP top fuel motor. a big enough turbo on a Geo makes a monster. Yes, zetec has potential too, but it is not somehow unique to the zetec. 2) Its not about "ultimate potential" its about practical potential.. Duratec...go N/A & take advantage of cheap 3L BLOCK, increased CR and good breathing SVT heads/cams..makes 250-300 crank HP+ crank HP without breaking a sweat, a rod, or the bank. Turbo is expensive with 6 of all custom forged internals to do it right...Only for die-hards.. Zetec...go turbo. You can forged internals cheaper than Duratec, simplar exhaust plumbing..that, along with cheaper car cost tips balance in turbos favor. N/A too much buck for too little bang.. Not better, not worse..just different.
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i don't see how there isn't enough bang for the buck with a zetec (seeing as they can make more power n/a than duratecs have), and from what i've seen a turbo is going to cost me more for my zetec than it would if i had a duratec (only current turbo kit for zetec is in UK ((available through terry haines)) and there are others in development, but not yet made). it may cost me more to mod my 96 zetec, but i think i will be happier modding it than a 98+ duratec or zetec. (aesthetics included).
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
i don't see how there isn't enough bang for the buck with a zetec (seeing as they can make more power n/a than duratecs have),
Okay...
Show me the money as they say.
Show me a NA Zetec making over 300 HP and coming in under $1500.
Hell show me a NA Zetec making any significant power that's remotely affordable.
None of these "price is no object" tuner cars either.
Something realistic! (otherwise we can pull out BTCC race cars or other touring cars making mad HP )
To be honest I find it really humorous anyone driving an slushbox is ranting about any type of performance in general. (yes I abhor them that bad)
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Calling somebody a name because they disagree with you is taking the arguement a bit far.
All any Zetec owner wants any Duratec owner to understand is; that while your engine has more displacement, it is still possible (with enough time & money) to make our engine put out as much power as yours.
Zetec != poor or bad engine or whimpy engine.
Zetecs who mod the Zetec do so because we really like our litle engine.
Just because a Duratec start with more cylinders does not mean that it is any better or ours engine any worse.
The Zetec does pack a good punch and can improve by leaps and bounds with simple mods.
100HP wet shot on a Duratec = 13.8's (on drag radials)
75HP dry shot on Zetec = 14.4's (on street tires)
I'm sure if I went to a 100HP dry (equivelant to about a 85HP wet shot) shot I would be very close to 13.8's
Give me drag radials and I'm sure I would surpass 13.8 seconds.
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lol @ your picture, funny how you know exactly where pictures about gay people are , i was happy when you posted your "last post", i figured you were gonna post soon, and my name isn't kermit , nice to see you finally realized there's no possible way to try to prove your right and now you have to retaliate to name calling. (directed toward someone much younger than you, nontheless) as sleeper said, some duratec owners just have a problem with zetecs running better times than them with the same mods. (nitrous), and i guess it would be pointless to tell you to grow up... i reckon your sexual insecurity reflects your insecurity with your engine.
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You never proved the point I asked just regurgitated some more of the same gibberish.
I'm still waiting!
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
100HP wet shot on a Duratec = 13.8's (on drag radials)
75HP dry shot on Zetec = 14.4's (on street tires)
BTW - It was an LX on street tires. Not even an SVT (Blazin da SVT boys yo! ) Also a 100 dry shot would not be very bright! ...and with the intakes setup the way they are a wet shot is not very efficient on the Duratec as well...
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kramit, who has problems with zetecs running fast times? last thing i heard it was other zetec owners that didnt believe the times. i can dig up the thread if you wish. and nice job with the name calling, first you say that it is a stupid thing to do then you do it. keep it up.
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what point??? about zetec,money,etc.??? give me the money that a svt costs, then i'll take that money buy a zetec 'tour and use the leftover money to run circles around a svt.,,, now if that doesn't clearly show the point what does? and it's a stupid point anyways, money doesn't matter when it comes to modding, power does, and zetecs have made more n/a power than n/a duratecs have, deal with it.
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
kramit, who has problems with zetecs running fast times? last thing i heard it was other zetec owners that didnt believe the times. i can dig up the thread if you wish. and nice job with the name calling, first you say that it is a stupid thing to do then you do it. keep it up.
i didn't call anyone a specific name , and yes some (joe) zetecers had a problem with sleeper's time, but in this topic, there are duratec owners saying the 60' times are impossible , and blackie as well as a few other duratecers have problems with zetecs being fast,,,, and i will keep it up, just for you. , by the way i think your car is one of the best looking pre98s.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Sleeper:
100HP wet shot on a Duratec = 13.8's (on drag radials)
75HP dry shot on Zetec = 14.4's (on street tires)
BTW - It was an LX on street tires. Not even an SVT (Blazin da SVT boys yo! )
Also a 100 dry shot would not be very bright!
...and with the intakes setup the way they are a wet shot is not very efficient on the Duratec as well...
Last time the Contour 1/4 mile times page was up, it showed that the 13.8 belonged to a Duratec with drag radials. Ask fst4dr, he has the info. If I'm wrong fine, but I'm sure I'm not. And the SVT Duratec is not a stock Duratec, so lets not bring SVT engines into the comparison. The SVT Zetec puts down about the same HP as a non-SVT Duratec.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
1. And the SVT Duratec is not a stock Duratec,
so lets not bring SVT engines into the comparison.
2. The SVT Zetec puts down about the same HP as a non-SVT Duratec.
1. um.. Correct! 2. Correct again. However the heavier V6 MTX Contour is faster stock. ba dump bump. Heck some V6 MTX cougars are quite a bit faster stock! Thanks for the comparison for the Duratec. Why you may ask??? Much better powerband and a some more torque! Comparing peak power is NEVER a good comparison. Again thanks for the outstanding comparison.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
by the way i think your car is one of the best looking pre98s.
see how can you be so right with one thing and so wrong with another. it is crazy. thanks for the compliment by the way.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by mikey boy:
kramit, who has problems with zetecs running fast times? last thing i heard it was other zetec owners that didnt believe the times. i can dig up the thread if you wish. and nice job with the name calling, first you say that it is a stupid thing to do then you do it. keep it up.
i didn't call anyone a specific name , and yes some (joe) zetecers had a problem with sleeper's time, but in this topic, there are duratec owners saying the 60' times are impossible , and blackie as well as a few other duratecers have problems with zetecs being fast,,,, and i will keep it up, just for you. , by the way i think your car is one of the best looking pre98s.
my problem wiht a time of his had nothing to do with on the bottle runs and sleeper have showen me a more realistic time off the bottle. so mike and Kremit WTF are you talking about???
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i don't know what that no no is for mikey... joe i was just saying you were one of the people that had problems with sleeper's time, i know you it was the off the bottle times,etc... just mikey is trying to fight a battle for duratecers by bringing in irrelevant info... and demon,, i pretty sure (from what i here) svt focus runs almost as a svt duratec, so unless svt 'tour is nearly as slow as a stock duratec, then i'm pretty sure your statement about stock mtx duratec being faster is wrong.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
what point??? about zetec,money,etc.???
You said a NA Zetec could be built for less money than a Duratec and make more power. I'm assuming you mean just peak power, but... So I said prove it. Since you can build a 300HP (maybe more - 20-25% increase in head flow is huge!) 3L SVT Duratec for about $1500 on top of what you start with. (Cost of 3L block and BNM heads plus misc rebuild materials) Probably 260-270HP for a regular Duratec with no other mods! Heck folks with a straight 3L swap with only SVT cams made ~250HP That's under $1000 easily. So prove you rantings that the Zetec is cheaper to build and can make more power comparatively. Even if it's just peak since it will never touch the Duratec's powerband. Heck after all it's giving up either .5L or 1L. I definitely understand the disadvantage it's starting with. The old term no replacement for displacement came about for a good reason. ...AND LIKE I SAID TO BEGIN WITH... The Zetec is a good engine with great potential. Just don't talk out your ass.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
and demon,, i pretty sure (from what i here) svt focus runs almost as a svt duratec, so unless svt 'tour is nearly as slow as a stock duratec, then i'm pretty sure your statement about stock mtx duratec being faster is wrong.
Then you need your ears checked. SVT Focus is high 15's. Some mag's clocked it in the 16's I've seen them run well into the 16's at the crappy track here! Hell the wife's 2.4L ATX Cavalier runs 16 flat stock. High 15's with a few cheap mods. AND IT'S A SLUSHBOX!!! (though a damn good one)
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
bringing in irrelevant info... and demon,, i pretty sure (from what i here) svt focus runs almost as a svt duratec, so unless svt 'tour is nearly as slow as a stock duratec, then i'm pretty sure your statement about stock mtx duratec being faster is wrong.
what was irrelevant? and there is no way that the focus svt is as fast as the svt contour. lay off the drugs.
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high 15s, hmm i haven't seen a stock duratec do that, svts yes, svt 'tour runs about 15.2 (really good run), so svt focus is not far behind, and has 30 less hp. and what is irrelevant is joe and a few other zetecers' problems with sleepers time, which have been resolved.
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I have to ask how an 85 HP wet shot is equal to a 100 HP dry shot? The last I heard HP is HP there isn't a difference because of the way you make it (wet VS dry).
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demon, can you not read? i kept saying money is not the point, and never did i say a zetec can be modded for cheaper and go faster (except for nitrous, as proven by sleeper ) the $1500 thing is stupid, considering you already spent much more for the svt, 3L,etc. give me that money and that $1500, i gaurantee a zetec could be faster. if your not gonna count the money for a 3L engine, plus rebuild,etc. (hmm 3L duratec not even being the real engine in question here) then i wouldn't have to count the bored out zetec block plus pistons,etc. like i said money is not a point, n/a zetecs have proven to be FASTER (not just more powerful) than n/a duratecs, deal with it, quit trying to compare apples to oranges and realize the zetec can and has been faster than duratecs.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Then you need your ears checked.
SVT Focus is high 15's. Some mag's clocked it in the 16's
I've seen them run well into the 16's at the crappy track here!
Hell the wife's 2.4L ATX Cavalier runs 16 flat stock. High 15's with a few cheap mods. AND IT'S A SLUSHBOX!!! (though a damn good one)
you might wanna try your wifes are on a real drag strip cause best I have seenf rom newer Z24's was still low 17's to high 16's unless they were on the bottle or turboed at route 66 which is a very good track. and a friend of mine has a 97 cavalier 2.4L and I walk away from him even before I broke into the 16's with my Zetec... just makes me now wonder how true your times are demon...
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Originally posted by CB99SVT:
I have to ask how an 85 HP wet shot is equal to a 100 HP dry shot? The last I heard HP is HP there isn't a difference because of the way you make it (wet VS dry).
wet is rated at the wheels, dry at the crank, assuming a 15% loss through from the crank to the wheels, 100Hp * 15% = 85HP
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Enough beating the dead horse already...
I give up. No point proved. No use battling with an unarmed opponent like they say.
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
you might wanna try your wifes are on a real drag strip cause best I have seenf rom newer Z24's was still low 17's to high 16's unless they were on the bottle or turboed at route 66 which is a very good track. and a friend of mine has a 97 cavalier 2.4L and I walk away from him even before I broke into the 16's with my Zetec...
just makes me now wonder how true your times are demon...
Lemme see. 300lbs lighter and 20 more HP & TQ.
Then you are full of garbage like the rest. (PS check out a few magazines or even J-body.org for REAL timeslips)
Like I said. You guys are utterly worthless at this point.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Enough beating the dead horse already...
I give up. No point proved.
No use battling with an unarmed opponent like they say.
you're right about the no point proved,, on your part atleast.
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Magazine times = crap.
j-body.org shows stock cavaliers running only slightly better than a contour, to be expected with a larger engine in a lighter car.
what does that comparison do have to do with this post?
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Lemme see. 300lbs lighter and 20 more HP & TQ.
Then you are full of garbage like the rest. (PS check out a few magazines or even J-body.org for REAL timeslips)
Like I said. You guys are utterly worthless at this point.
guess all those J bodys I have raced at the track don't know how to drive then.... and I have seen "real time slips" from J bodys.... I have some with my times but what the hell could that mean you are the all knowing car god please forgive me master.... I'm just a lowly Zetec owner.
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Kermit just keeps saying the same irrelivant things over and over and over and over and over; no matter how much relivant info is posted by others. It's amazing...the more he talks the more stupid he makes him self look...by time his post count gets to 2000; the only 3 words in his vocabulary will be Zetec, faster, money.
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This is embarrasing.  I will just say this, take a ride in a modded Zetec Contour you Duratec owners, you might be pleasantly surprised. I have surprised many Duratec owners and car tuners in general with my car. It is a fun little engine. Just needs to "wakened"
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Just a question...how many Modded Zetec Contours are as fast or faster than a STOCK SVT in a quarter mile???
1...sleeper
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3...?
4...?
Get your name on the list then start making arguments...
And for the record...my daily driver is a MTX Zetec and it IS faster than my wife's ATX Duratec (not by much though).
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who cares these cars suck and they arent worth [censored] so it doesnt matter , thats why mine is back to stock again cuz it aint worth it, i have better [censored] to spend money on
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This is great stuff!! Most entertaining thread this month.. One zetec Contour hits the 14's with a "bag-o-nitrous" and you would think they set the land speed record! This tread NEEDS to continue at club Si... Kremit...you win..despite have non of the "traditional" virtues of a high-po engine (strong internals, big valves, good head design, nice cam profiles) the engine (almost as if by God's own hand)has been PROVEN (by virtue of some pic with a subtitle) to have more POTENTIAL (whatever that means)that virtually any engine on the planet, certainly including the Duratec. "get that POS Supra motor out of my car I want a zetec!" "built by men..tuned by God".. However, any SVT that looses to a non gutted, N/A zetec Contour left his handbrake on..
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Originally posted by Blackie:
Just a question...how many Modded Zetec Contours are as fast or faster than a STOCK SVT in a quarter mile???
1...sleeper
2...D Davis - NOT!!!!!!
3...?
4...?
I agree with Hector, this is and has been an embarrassing thread to read (though extremely entertaining). I know some of you Zetec guys are very gung-ho and that's a good thing. But please realize that setting an SVT in your sights takes more than referencing what other people have done with the engine. You don't see Madmole on here slapping his dyno results in everyone's face, do you?
It boils down to this:
Zetec = not as fast as a Duratec/SVT
Duratec/SVT = faster than a Zetec
Now, you can argue 24/7 about what could be done to make your Zetec faster or you can get out under the car and make your car faster. I agree the potential is definitely there. The engine's strong point is that it's solid (except the rods - DOH!) and can take quite a bit of beefing up.
The Duratec is amazing in its own right simply because it's such a small-displacement V6 that's managed to be quite a contender in its time. There are 4-bangers with almost as much displacement.
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Originally posted by D Davis:
Someone said it earlier; we're all Contique enthusiasts, NOW HUG AND STFU!!!
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never did i say a stock zetec was stronger or faster than a duratec, never did i say it won't cost money to mod it. but some duratecs owners on here have said it's not worth modding and blatantly claim that a duratec engine is better for modding,etc. i proved my point that a zetec is just as good if not better. (more modded n/a power than duratecs can obtain and a zetec with less than $1000 worth of mods is beating modded svt times, and the car still cost much less than a svt), i'm modding my zetec and not a duratec, when it's all done it's gonna be fast, deal with it.
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Kremit, until YOUR car is heavily modded I don't think yo should be on here telling CDW-27 tuners that they don't know what they are talking about. I'm not here to assist in anyone's argument or to look on the CEG tomorrow just to see that you have bashed me for this post. The bottom line is that ANYONE can install a Nitrous system! I do commend Sleeper on his good runs, but what do you have to do with him running good? Are you his coach or something? People like Demon, CB99SVT, and myself have all put down among the best #'s/times for the 2.5 Duratec in our SVT's. We all take pride in our rides, but saying one is better or money has no place in an argument is just BS! Money has everything to do with it. Some of us have indeed spent more than others, but that does not make our engine's any less or more inferior than another. All engines are pretty darn awesome in my book, think about it. In my opinion[flamesuit on]the Duratec is a more desirable, higher potential engine. If the Zetec was a better candidate, SVT/Ford would have gladly chosen it for the high performance CDW-27. The SVT Focus is a bunch a Marketing BS, it's slow! I recently had an encounter(rolling)with one, not a chance in hell could he even keep up with me. He did have minor mods installed(according to him), but didn't understand how he had gotten smacked around by a four door family car. You guys take care out there, and remember.....To each his own!
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
never did i say a stock zetec was stronger or faster than a duratec, never did i say it won't cost money to mod it.
i proved my point that a zetec is just as good if not better. (more modded n/a power than duratecs can obtain and a zetec with less than $1000 worth of mods is beating modded svt times, and the car still cost much less than a svt)
There you said it! Sleeper- If you ran those times NICE RUN!!!!!! Get it on video and shut these people up! What happened on the 16 second run? Kremit- If the Zetec is a better engine, why didn't they extrudehone it and throw it and put it in the SVT? Shouldn't the Duratec motor cost less? Wouldn't the Zetec be the optional motor? If the SVT or the normal Duratec motor for that matter were the same price, would you have stiil purchased the Zetec? If you had a Duratec would you swap it for a Zetec? I can't figure out what your point is. If you don't think the zetec is better of faster, then why are we having this conversation? BOTH ENGINES ARE STRONG AND CAN BE MADE MORE POWERFUL!! I have no problem with a Zetec being fast if not faster than any SVT ever made, but i want to see more than paper to prove it. We all need to come together and support our cars, no matter what engine. Lord knows no one else does!
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Originally posted by AgFrost:
Sleeper- If you ran those times NICE RUN!!!!!! Get it on video and shut these people up! What happened on the 16 second run?
that is an off the bottle run.
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i never said the duratec is a bad engine and i feel i'm allowed to talk about the facts (never did i claim MY zetec is fast or anything remotely like that) ford obviously wasn't trying to get the biggest performance available from any engine with the svt contour, otherwise it would have a turbo,etc. and more than 200hp, so they basically used the duratec because it is already closer to their goal of 200hp than the zetec is (and zetec would have cost more engine wise to get that much power) i also take pride in my ride, but am told by certain members (blackie) that i'm never gonna have money to mod my car and am basically attacked for modding a zetec. and the svt focus has 30 less hp than your car, did you expect it to stomp you? and in my opinion the zetec is more desireable for modding,, oh and i have reasons, main one being that there are more performance parts available for it and it has made more n/a power than n/a duratecs. and like i said if money does have a place in it, then if i had the money a svt cost and i spent it on a 96 zetec, i could easily run circles around duratecs. i didn't tell anyone they don't know what they're talking about, though they have told me that and some have not modded their contour(s). i'm just a little perturbed that svt owners don't like the fact that i modded a zetec to be faster than a duratec. i have plenty of reasons to prefer a zetec over a duratec (trust me, i've thought this out, i could have a svt if i wasn't going to mod it ((all money would being paying for the svt))). i like having more parts available for my engine, i like having more engine bay room for say, a turbo, and i like that zetecs have made more n/a power than duratecs. now, tell me why i shouldn't mod a zetec???
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already answered your first few questions why duratec is in svt. i would still have purchased the zetec if duratecs were same price and IF i planned to mod it (which i do). and if you want to see more than paper to prove it, go watch sleeper run, go watch the meguair's focus run, go watch the esslinger zx2 run,,, and there are many zx2,zx3,zx5s out there with turbos,etc. that can kill any contour. i think both engines are good and powerful, if you want to keep it stock or near stock, duratec is the way to go. if you want most n/a power zetec is way to go, and if you want a full out drag car w/ turbo,etc. zetec is way to go, especially over a svt (will save you money) IMO zetec = better for modding due to parts availability, proven power, and a few other reasons. now, why can't i mod my zetec and be proud of it? it seems on here, everybody thinks only a svt should be modded and be proud and fast.
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You know now that I think of it many of you SVT/Duratec owners are (probably not intentional) ragging on the Zetec in your posts. Like I said before this is pointless. Instead of encouraging each other were are here ragging on each other.
Originally posted by wavrdr:
If the Zetec was a better candidate, SVT/Ford would have gladly chosen it for the high performance CDW-27. The SVT Focus is a bunch a Marketing BS, it's slow! I recently had an encounter(rolling)with one, not a chance in hell could he even keep up with me. He did have minor mods installed(according to him), but didn't understand how he had gotten smacked around by a four door family car
This bothers me. I have a whole lot less power (look in my sig) and I have kept up if not walked away (from a roll) with modded Duratecs and kept up with SVTs with my modded Zetec ATX. Maybe these Focus SVT owners don't know how to drive a 6 speed.
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focus svt vs. contour svt is a driver's race, though a good driver in both cars would drive the contour faster ,but for the 30hp more it wouldn't be much faster.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
focus svt vs. contour svt is a driver's race, though a good driver in both cars would drive the contour faster ,but for the 30hp more it wouldn't be much faster.
SVT Contour - 200HP and more torque Focus SVT - 170HP and lighter car ......Contour is going to win everytime due to the torque advantage, but it would still be close with good drivers.
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Originally posted by Hector:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
focus svt vs. contour svt is a driver's race, though a good driver in both cars would drive the contour faster ,but for the 30hp more it wouldn't be much faster.
SVT Contour - 200HP and more torque Focus SVT - 170HP and lighter car ......Contour is going to win everytime due to the torque advantage, but it would still be close with good drivers.
BINGO..... just like I have seen a few WS6 T/A's run 15's and all of them were 6 speeds.... reason is most people seem to freak out with all those gears. and everyone knows they should be running mid to high 13's stock.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
i'm just a little perturbed that svt owners don't like the fact that i modded a zetec to be faster than a duratec.
In your head it's like you already did it is'nt it... "Mentally modded zetec"
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Originally posted by Hector:
This bothers me. I have a whole lot less power (look in my sig) and I have kept up if not walked away (from a roll) with modded Duratecs and kept up with SVTs with my modded Zetec ATX. Maybe these Focus SVT owners don't know how to drive a 6 speed.
Kept up with SVTs...with a 50 HP deficit (vs stock SVT) and a CD4E?? You must be a simply amazing driver. Focus SVT has run consistantly slow in C&D, R&T, SCC..all about 15.8-16.0 sec...Contour SVT was consistantly around 15.4..yes its bench racing but you are talking experienced drivers, same for each car, in at least different venues. When you throw in power to weight..you see why.. CSVT(3050lbs/200HP )= 15.3 lb/HP and FSVT (2800lbs/170HP)= 16.4 lb/HP. So, not really a drivers race unless one is MUCH better than the other. On the road coures..FSVT has bigger brakes & wider wheels/slightly better handling..this would be a drivers race. however, when it gets the 2.3 turbo in 04..look out!
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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
[BINGO..... just like I have seen a few WS6 T/A's run 15's and all of them were 6 speeds.... reason is most people seem to freak out with all those gears. /quote]
6 speed yes,but what difference would the extra gears make in a race??????6th gear is just another overdrive(above 5th,which is overdrive too)5th and 6th are useless in anything but high speed highway driving...so a 6 speed is the same as a 5speed when it comes to racing,where overdrive isn't(or at least hopefully isn't)used....
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
[BINGO..... just like I have seen a few WS6 T/A's run 15's and all of them were 6 speeds.... reason is most people seem to freak out with all those gears. /quote]
6 speed yes,but what difference would the extra gears make in a race??????6th gear is just another overdrive(above 5th,which is overdrive too)5th and 6th are useless in anything but high speed highway driving...so a 6 speed is the same as a 5speed when it comes to racing,where overdrive isn't(or at least hopefully isn't)used....
Yeah but do you think all the people that have a 6 speed know how to drive it?
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Originally posted by Hector:
Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
[BINGO..... just like I have seen a few WS6 T/A's run 15's and all of them were 6 speeds.... reason is most people seem to freak out with all those gears. /quote]
6 speed yes,but what difference would the extra gears make in a race??????6th gear is just another overdrive(above 5th,which is overdrive too)5th and 6th are useless in anything but high speed highway driving...so a 6 speed is the same as a 5speed when it comes to racing,where overdrive isn't(or at least hopefully isn't)used....
Yeah but do you think all the people that have a 6 speed know how to drive it?
yeah you're probably right..hell people can't seem to drive 5speeds half the time..i guess that xtra gear really freaks some people out...lol..
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if these 6 speed drivers are getting to 6th gear in the quarter then they really dont know how to drive.
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
if these 6 speed drivers are getting to 6th gear in the quarter then they really dont know how to drive.
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
if these 6 speed drivers are getting to 6th gear in the quarter then they really dont know how to drive.
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Originally posted by Hector:
You know now that I think of it many of you SVT/Duratec owners are (probably not intentional) ragging on the Zetec in your posts. Like I said before this is pointless. Instead of encouraging each other were are here ragging on each other.
Originally posted by wavrdr:
If the Zetec was a better candidate, SVT/Ford would have gladly chosen it for the high performance CDW-27. The SVT Focus is a bunch a Marketing BS, it's slow! I recently had an encounter(rolling)with one, not a chance in hell could he even keep up with me. He did have minor mods installed(according to him), but didn't understand how he had gotten smacked around by a four door family car
This bothers me. I have a whole lot less power (look in my sig) and I have kept up if not walked away (from a roll) with modded Duratecs and kept up with SVTs with my modded Zetec ATX. Maybe these Focus SVT owners don't know how to drive a 6 speed.
Hector, not to rag or you/your car, or anyone else for that matter, but I consistently trap 12-13 mph more than you, and 2-2.2 seconds faster. This is from a standstill with 2.3-2.4 60' times. Now if one can hardly pull or keep up for that matter from a standstill, then there is no way one would be able to pull on an MTX Duratec(mine for that matter). I'm not here for a pissing contest, just trying to help with an extra non-biased opinion.
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This arguement as gotten waaaaayyyyy off topic.
The original arguement by DemonSVT was that a Zetec (or any engine) could not possibly drop 2.2 seconds off the 1/4 mile simply by adding a 75HP (dry) shot of nitrous.
Yet I have the time slips and witness to prove it.
If you need more than that, too bad, tracks are closed.
But your welcome to come to Oregon and see for yourself next spring.
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Just stumbled across this post and thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. The Kremit guy really needs to put up or shut up. Talk is cheap. When you have experience with performance parts on your Zetec (real mods...not plug wires and an air filter) come back and talk. Hector, ZetecRacing and others really seem to know their stuff and have done many performance mods to their car, I respect what they say. According to Kremits sig he is getting the body kit so atleast he will look fast Your 96 GL ATX will be even slower with the body kit, so if you are going for performance....you are heading in the wrong direction. And yes a 96 Zetec ATX in stock or lightly modded form is horribly slow, I have one that I use as a beater. Since the Zetec has all of that potential, why dont you put that money towards a turbo As far as sleepers times, congrats man. It's great to see those kinds of times out of your Zetec. -neal
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
i'm just a little perturbed that svt owners don't like the fact that i modded a zetec to be faster than a duratec.
In your head it's like you already did it is'nt it...
"Mentally modded zetec"
oops a typo, so sue me.
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Originally posted by skid123:
Just stumbled across this post and thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. The Kremit guy really needs to put up or shut up. Talk is cheap. When you have experience with performance parts on your Zetec (real mods...not plug wires and an air filter) come back and talk. Hector, ZetecRacing and others really seem to know their stuff and have done many performance mods to their car, I respect what they say. According to Kremits sig he is getting the body kit so atleast he will look fast Your 96 GL ATX will be even slower with the body kit, so if you are going for performance....you are heading in the wrong direction. And yes a 96 Zetec ATX in stock or lightly modded form is horribly slow, I have one that I use as a beater. Since the Zetec has all of that potential, why dont you put that money towards a turbo
As far as sleepers times, congrats man. It's great to see those kinds of times out of your Zetec.
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i'm not saying my car is fast, so whether i have performance parts or not doesn't decide what i can post. and how will my car being slower with the kit? the back bumper will weigh less than stock, and side skirts won't add much more, most likely equally out to be the same weight (when you do some real aesthetic mods, then you can talk ) and yes my car is slow right now,,, hmmm maybe that's why i'm modding it and what money are you talking about that i should put toward a turbo? $400 won't come close to getting me a turbo and getting the atx able to handle it. though that is the future plan, modding is a gradual process, if you want me to have a turbo right now, go buy one for me. and i guess everyone on here will just have to live with me modding a atx zetec. (costly yes, worth it YEEEESSS). and FYI, i'm going for performance and aesthetics,, do i need to clear that with all the svt owners before i do it? go have your board meeting to decide whether i can mod my car or not.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
however, when it gets the 2.3 turbo in 04..look out!
Well since I'm in an argumentative mood and even though I said I was done with this thread. Dan brings up a great point. If the Zetec is so great, a design marvel, and such a great base for building power. Why is SVT abandoning it for Mazda's 2.3L in next years SVT Focus and why is the Zetec in general being dropped in favor of Mazda's 2.0L engine across the board as well. If the Zetec was "da bomb" would not they still use it or build off it's design??? To top it off not only is the Duratec family alive & thriving, it's being put into more makes and models, and they even have tentative plans for a new Duratec based engine or more hybrids.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Why is SVT abandoning it for Mazda's 2.3L in next years SVT Focus and why is the Zetec in general being dropped in favor of Mazda's 2.0L engine across the board as well.
If the Zetec was "da bomb" would not they still use it or build off it's design???
the new engine has much lower emissions than the zetec, has higher gas mileage, 2.3L which replaces zetec (2.0L replaces the old 2.0L) has more power due to more displacement.
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Originally posted by wavrdr:
Originally posted by Hector:
You know now that I think of it many of you SVT/Duratec owners are (probably not intentional) ragging on the Zetec in your posts. Like I said before this is pointless. Instead of encouraging each other were are here ragging on each other.
Originally posted by wavrdr:
If the Zetec was a better candidate, SVT/Ford would have gladly chosen it for the high performance CDW-27. The SVT Focus is a bunch a Marketing BS, it's slow! I recently had an encounter(rolling)with one, not a chance in hell could he even keep up with me. He did have minor mods installed(according to him), but didn't understand how he had gotten smacked around by a four door family car
This bothers me. I have a whole lot less power (look in my sig) and I have kept up if not walked away (from a roll) with modded Duratecs and kept up with SVTs with my modded Zetec ATX. Maybe these Focus SVT owners don't know how to drive a 6 speed.
Hector, not to rag or you/your car, or anyone else for that matter, but I consistently trap 12-13 mph more than you, and 2-2.2 seconds faster. This is from a standstill with 2.3-2.4 60' times. Now if one can hardly pull or keep up for that matter from a standstill, then there is no way one would be able to pull on an MTX Duratec(mine for that matter). I'm not here for a pissing contest, just trying to help with an extra non-biased opinion.
Many Chicago CEGers have seen it first hand. I'm not trying to pull your or anyones leg. I am amazed by this car sometimes.
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2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
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For those doubters, my ZETEC dropped 1.6 seconds in the 1/8th mile on a 75 shot. The math should put that as well over a 2 second gain in the 1/4. Zetecs love nitrous. I went from 105/113 @ wheels to 186/228 @ wheels. More than doubling the torque output of your engine is certainly worth 2 seconds in the 1/4. It should also be noted that a car properly setup to run nitrous is usually a dog off the bottle. Perhaps why his off bottle times this time around were worse than when he was all motor, and therefore setup to run on motor alone.
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" Zetecs love nitrous. I went from 105/113 @ wheels to 186/228 @ wheels."
This was my initial point..that the degree of improvement suggest more than 75 HP...(even if using a 75 shot). Gain of 81 FWHP means that "75 shot worth" about 95-100 crank HP...which is about what I guessed..
If your ultimate goal is drag racing a zetec..hard to beat that if your engine doesnt blow..
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Engine to engine the exact gain of HP is going to be different.
75Hp shot is an average, not absolute.
Some will gain 70HP, others 80HP.
I am using the pills for a 75HP shot, if i am actually getting a little more power thats great.
But the fact remains I'm jetting the same amount of nitrous as somebody who only gets 70HP.
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