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OK, someone buy some big beefy drag racing tires (the widest ones) and go race. Someone will be right, the torque or the traction; the big wide slick drag racing tires should minimise the traction problem.

been done. no miracle numbers.

Yeah, the STOCK 2.5 would, but I dont have a 2.5 now do I?

I never once said the car "had more traction" then it can handle. Wheel hop comes at the THRESHOLD of wheel spin. Meaning you can spin the tires over without a problem. Otherwise you'd never be "on the threshold" going over...
The reason you get wheel hop is you gave too much throttle and your traction is giving out. I suggest you learn what you are trying to argue about first before you put your foot in your mouth and speak (which has been this entire thread so far :rolleyes: )

As for the diff's strength. What has that to do in any way with traction or the need for it. I covered this in my last post. You are mistaking wheel hop for traction! (see above) I stated the stock diff would not like better traction because we know the spider gears (even revised) are weak (see LSD comment) Wheel hop's destructive force can kill it at any point. A stock SE can wheel hop all day long as is therefore as susceptible to it as a turbo charged, super charged, nitroused, 3L SVT. (See above about wheel hop - again)

As for "fearing" diff breakage and "slipping" the clutch because of it. That is NOT why you do it. You do it to stay in your power band, therefore putting as much power down as possible without breaking "Traction!" Then when you hook up (or fully release clutch - which ever comes first) you are already in the meat of your powerband and in full acceleration. The fastest N/A contour made it's time this way! (Also see snip about Pro-racers)

Do you think I log on with other peoples accounts and say the exact same thing and also say I'm right?

About the 11 sec N/A Honda. You "specifically" said you MUST HAVE TQ to get low ET's. I showed you an ideal example of not having any TQ and going quick & fast as hell. The main reason. Traction & weight.

The torque strap is to pre-load the engine so it doesn't bind when you hit the throttle. It aids traction because the engine does not backlash and throw off the suspension & weight transfer. That's why it helps stop wheel hop. So less drivetrain bind & reverse weight transfer means better traction. Also the tires will not transfer the hop back to the driveline as harshly when they cross the threshold of traction. (Which is what I've been trying to help you understand the entire thread :rolleyes: )
More or less spinning is irrelevant since the driveline is in a fixed position. (as fixed as can be with solid mounts & strap!)

Check out this general forum Topic
That car must have no TORQUE, because he ran a high ET (13.5) and a high trap speed (125mph) It couldn't be because he didn't have any traction now could it? Perfect example - since you obviously can't comprehend typed words!

Bret - I'm tired of argueing with you.
You are an absolute MORON. You will never understand cars, racing, engines or the like & I am truely sorry for you... There I stooped to your level. Now quit whining like baby and make good on your word... :p
If you thinks that's a bit harsh; it's because I've been nearly beating you over the head with information and facts and you still don't get it, but continue to rant anyway...

Hey now...

I want some of that... Gimme all your secrets...

Demon and Bill your hitting hit the nail on the head. DemonSVT can atest to what I am going to say! The first 60ft of a run will tell you how bad or good you ran with out looking at the rest of your times slip. 60ft mark is either FLY or Crash!!!

So PHATSVT ran a 14.2@101.XX. With a 2.7 60ft mark. So average tour gets around 2.3/2.2 60ft. So looking at the numbers he does have a 13 sec car on paper. True.

TQ in some application can be too much. In the Tour we don't have the natural setup to use TQ effectivly. We have to do things like The TQ Strap/Solid Motor Mounts/Quaife/ect... And lastly Driver ability.

I have seen First hand what a bad 60ft can do at the track with the tours, especially with PHATSVT car. I know DemonSVT see's the same things at KCIR. Heck when us Kanas CEG'ers get togeather the first two things we look at are 1/4&60ft. Most the time you can tell from the wheel hop when we launch! Those are the two biggest things. 60ft being the biggest because that is where races are won or lost.

All the hp TQ in the world but you can't get traction.. What are you gonna do? Needing more TQ will do nothing positive. Well, a nice toasty burn out is pretty neat thought

I will have to agree with you guys on the motor mounts making the car easier to launch, after putting the mount in Tom's car, it is much easier to launch without wheel hop, now it is either go or spin, and I personally find the tour a very easy car to drive at the drag strip, the first run I made was a 15.8 @ 88 mph, and I have proceded to run a 15.5, don't know the 60' because the timeslip didn't print, but I did get a best that I know of 2.28 60' time, which I have never done in my Si, I was ecstatic when I saw that, I didn't think it would be possible to do that on street tires on a stock car.

I wanna see what that 3.0L w/ Vortech CSVT runs in the 1/4 mile, he may be the 1st one into the 12's I hope he has a quafie and Terrys "bulldog" box to handle it though! Maybe a shot of NOS to cool the whole thing down, those things run very hot with the S/C I hear

again... you drone on and on and on without ANY proof.

so again let me say this...

david z ran 14.09 (damn near 13s) with 270fwhp / 250fwtq

bnoon ran 13.8 on a 75shot with probably close to 210-230fwhp / 205-225fwtq

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Simon Langley ran 14.15 with ~280fwhp and 210fwtq

Corbett (Tim) ran 14.3 with a 2.1 60' with ~280fwhp and 210fwtq

lets see... that data says... guys with more hp ran the slower times... guys with more tq... ran faster... i am NOT saying d/r or slicks wont help.. i KNOW they will help, they always help. but please don't sit there and say i am full of it when ALL THE FACTS BACK ME UP! all you have "theory" which you can make up as easy as i can. SHOW ME DATA SHOW ME PROOF then i will agree with you. i am sorry, but the cars with the most tq run the fastest ets. i am not saying a high hp engine is worthless, hell mark is running within 3 secs of vipers on a road course. but a viper will SPANK him at the strip.

so you can throw all your "theory" at me you want, but you have NO data to back it up.

again, i am not saying improving the traction of the car won't help... but don't sit here and argue with me that tq does not matter... that is just retarded.

oh wait... you do have data to back up your claims.

undocumented times from non contour cars weighing 300-1400lbs less then the csvt.

i guess your argument is more valid then mine.

what is your argument anyway? other then oppossing anything i say. if you are arguing against me, then your argument is that torque wont help the contour. my argument is very simple... the contour needs more tq to be a competative drag racer at its current weight.