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HMS Inc is proud to announce that it has,working with a supplier,developed two kits for the Zetec. Stage One is 190-200 BHP @ around $2600.Stage Two is 280-300 BHP @ around $3800. It should be noted that both these packages will fit Zetec in Contour and Focus,some engine teardown is required.Please PM me for more details. 
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
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Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Yikes! Umm, should I be the first to tear out a Duratec out of a SVT to swap in a Zetec???  Hmm, billet steel rods, low CR pistons from BAT are only $1700 TOTAL...  (I'm honestly THINKING about it, hehe) Come on Zetec owners there's offically WAY TOO MUCH stuff for you out there now. Here's your chance to be spankin' SVTs. John
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Heck I am thinking about tearing out the SVT and replacing it with a ZX3.....hmmmmmm...nah I guess I will wait till my stuff is done , 300hp sounds good but more is better.....
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I'd love to do this but I fear my CD4E would die of shock the first time I started it up! Terry is there any difference in kit for the VCT and non VCT cars? *Update* I just got to thinking about this...Find a High Milage Manual Zetec for 4-5K Add the 300BHP Turbo, BAT Suspension Kit, Baer Brakes, and of course the Aussie bar...Should put you in the 9-10K total investment range... Talk about a sleeper...
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Can be used on VCT & non-VCT cars.
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Nice Terry! I said it first a month or so ago. Get a Zetec, your Bulldog box and a Turbo Kit, Aussiebar, Coil-overs and you would be spanking any other SVT out there in every performance aspect. And what do you know, you can do it all at the one place: Haines Motor Sports!!!! Man I should just give you my car and take out a loan! Who wants to buy my engine?
Regards, Anastazi Father of the Aussie Bar anastazi.sarigiannis@aam.com"Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." ----------------------------------- 2000 Silver Frost SVT #1126 of 2150 8" AFE/"Big-Mouth" Intake, Modified BAT Pipe, IAT Mod - A'PEXi S-AFC, Superchip, No Secondaries, Cobra/CSVT Hybrid MAF, Magnaflow True Duals, MYSTERY Mod, Autolite AWSF22FS's and FMS Wires, ES MM Inserts, Cross Drilled/Slotted Rotors w/ Greenstuffs, APR DTM Spoiler, Escort Cossie Vents, NACA Duct, Mirko Splitter, Koni's & H&R Springs, 24mm "Aussie" Sway Bar, 18" Enkei RS-5, 225/40R18 KDW-2's. Pioneer DEH-P7000R, TS-6975's, TS-6855's, MTX BE104, MTX Blue Thunder PRO502 http://www.geocities.com/qikslvrsvt
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Thank you,we do try!
V6 MTX
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'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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way to go terry! makes me half wish I had a zetec 'tour or focus to play w/
It's all about balance.
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Rembember my roots with the Ford Cosworth Twin Cam eh!!! 
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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Tranny and CV joints be damned...Let's do it!!!!!
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That's awesome!!! Those prices ROCK too!!! But it's depressing as heck...I feel like a schmuck for owning a crappy ass Duratech contour svt     :rolleyes:  EDIT: Terry, is there anything in thw works from your company for us poor Duratech owners?
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Yea Terry what is in the works for the D-engined SVT's huh?
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Now all we need is the turbo for the Duratech's to be done....Where's Chris H.?
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There are tons of cheap Zetec 'Tours out there that someone can drop in a turbo kit along with upgraded suspension bits. This would make more sense the cuting up an SVT!
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atx and mtx?
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Terry, if you can produce something for the Duratec, PLEASE DO! I am all for ANYONE making a decent kit. We are still experiencing delays that are out of my control, and a few other people's control.
Alright you Zetec people out there, who's first??????
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V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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Originally posted by Lee Cox:
I just got to thinking about this...Find a High Milage Manual Zetec for 4-5K
Add the 300BHP Turbo, BAT Suspension Kit, Baer Brakes, and of course the Aussie bar...Should put you in the 9-10K total investment range...
Talk about a sleeper... the first thing that popped into my head as well... Put some nice rubber on steel wheels with mismatched hubcaps, descrete exhaust tucked up close, tear out the interior, stereo etc. and toast some Porsches! WOOHOO... where's that junkyard again? This would be a kick ass autocrosser...
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will it work in the focus svt
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If I go first, can I have it for free? :p
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Terry you have mail! Please keep me up to date on this. I am seriously looking into getting a turbo. If your kit is basically a bolt on then you can count me in.
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Originally posted by Chris Hightower:
Alright you Zetec people out there, who's first?????? Terry, Can you elaborate on the 'some engine teardown'? Does this mean a shop should definately do it? Or can I pull it off myself? Whats a number I can call you at? I should be able to order one next month. I'm also looking at the Aerocharger kit but if this one fits... TIA
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Holy crap! I didn't even see this. I had to be directed here by skid! This is great, Terry! Now I have to get a second job to afford this kinda stuff. Keep a Stage 2 on the shelf for me, please! P.S. You da' man - and I thought you had a website...? Don't see a link in your sig. Pics? Need a prototype car? I volunteer myself
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Just thought of something...will the stage 1 be upgradeable for those that can't afford $3,800 all at once?
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and AWD options coming ???? you're just full of surprises!!!!
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Page Two. :p BTW, Keep a Stage One reserved for me.
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I would consider doing this but wouldn't the SVT with the zetec/turbo theoretically lose to a focus with the same turbo because their car is lighter?
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Hmm... So you are saying there is hope for my Zetec Cougar? Sweet...
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You know there are likely to be more people getting these kits than the Duratec kit...The 4 Bangers cost so much less that we'd have the extra to spend! I'm not saying that I do...I mean look at my Sig and you can tell I dont.
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Yes Steve....there is hope
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The kits will fit Contour,Focus & Cougar Zetecs.Stage One Can be upgraded to Stage Two later if you wish.The top end (cylinder head etc) has to be torn down for both Stage One & Stage Two kits.Intercooler is an 'add on 'option,BHP quoted is without intercooler(s).Regards ,Terry Haines,Haines Motor Sports Inc. Mi
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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Now to find me a Zetec with a blown motor cheap so I can build one from the ground up... hummmmmmm, had 3 liter plans for the winter... darn it Terry, now I have more stress about what to do... 3 liter and wait for a SC or turbo, get a Zetec early year cheap and turbo's available, but I have to sell my car... aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhh, it's tearing me apart!!!
Brad Noon '99 SE MTX 3 point oh my God H.O. 179HP/178TQ BNMotorsports Floormats, powder coating, TB optimizing, Gutted cats, etc BNMotorsports is now the preferred distributor of Contour/SVT/Mystique Indiglo style gauges!!!bnmotorsports@msn.com
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Originally posted by bnoon:
Now to find me a Zetec with a blown motor cheap so I can build one from the ground up... hummmmmmm, had 3 liter plans for the winter... darn it Terry, now I have more stress about what to do... 3 liter and wait for a SC or turbo, get a Zetec early year cheap and turbo's available, but I have to sell my car... aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhh, it's tearing me apart!!! Yea, thanks Terry......
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"The top end (cylinder head etc) has to be torn down for both Stage One & Stage Two kits.'
Terry, how about the rods & pistons at 300 HP. Does stage II recommend changes here too?
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Does the kit come with a blow-off valve? I want that cool pssst sound.
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Awesome news. I see myself waiting for a cheap zetec tour to pop up.
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If you were 'on track' a lot with the 300hp version I'd say uprated rods,for street use no.The cr is lowered but not by the pistons,gives a higher boost pressure and more of the range 'at boost' Vs a high cr where the boost has to be limited.Boost control is by an integral wastgate in the t/c assy.The stock sytems 1 & 2 are without i/coolers,but one is designed to fit either stage and is an extra if required.regards Terr Haines ,HMS Inc
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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How much is the intercooler? I need to plan it into the budget as well.
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Cost of i/cooler in a week or so.Talking cash,hows this for ONE Contour, ONE Cougar,ONE Focus .....You buy the kit,HMS Inc will install FREE,we get the pics,before/after dyno #'s etc.We can start around Dec/jan....now whos willing???
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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Oh my Lord...(trying to figure out what I can sell between now and then to get the cash)
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I need to talk to the wife now......I can do the install myself but I want the dyno info.
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It sounds as though pulling the head is done in order to install a spacer plate to reduce compression. Beyond that, does any work need to be done to the head itself? No milling I would assume...
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Damn I wish I had a Focus...did I just say that?????
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Originally posted by Terry Haines: Cost of i/cooler in a week or so.Talking cash,hows this for ONE Contour, ONE Cougar,ONE Focus .....You buy the kit,HMS Inc will install FREE,we get the pics,before/after dyno #'s etc.We can start around Dec/jan....now whos willing??? I love you man
Ryan French
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I'm interested definitely. Right now my concern is throwing in the Zetec and getting the turbocharger and the turbo comes out for the 2.5 and it's output is higher than the zetec and could take more mods. I'm just thinking that maybe the 2.5 would be a better platform for the turbo. Please correct me if my concerns are invalid.
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Ahh...and to think that I had a Zetec until a few weeks ago...I like my SVT but this is making me rethink my options. (whines) I want a Turbo for my car...whaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
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Originally posted by Wthermans: Ahh...and to think that I had a Zetec until a few weeks ago...I like my SVT but this is making me rethink my options.
(whines) I want a Turbo for my car...whaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! trade you :p JK
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I think I want to buy a focus.
Terry you are going to put the SVT focus out of business
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Originally posted by D Davis:
Oh my Lord...(trying to figure out what I can sell between now and then to get the cash) ManWhoring for car parts, what is the world coming to.
If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?
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ManWhoring for car parts, what is the world coming to. Maybe he can sell that SVT exhaust thats rusting away in his garage. He just sent me an email trying to sell me his First Born. Whats that all about!! :p
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How much boost is the stage 1 going to run? I really don't want to build up the engine yet. With a turbo and engine that is going to be about 5 grand.
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He said you can upgrade from S1 to S2 later on. I'm going to make a guess its running about 8 psi.
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I thought you really didn't have to do anything internal running 8psi.
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Both stages lower the CR @ up the boost.
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Originally posted by SQPlus: He just sent me an email trying to sell me his First Born. Whats that all about!! :pHaha...children come and go, but turbo is forever - LOL - j/k
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Where would most of the hp/tq be avialable. Possibly below 3K?????
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Originally posted by LoCoZetecSE: I thought you really didn't have to do anything internal running 8psi. You wouldn't necessarily but like I said I was just guessing. As Terry just posted the kit also lowers the CR which is the key. That alone alows you to run more boost, simply speaking.
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We get more HP than a 'standard' 'bolt on' kit because we do lower the CR.Why have the wastegate open at 4000 rpm?,its wasted boost.The more the engine is under 'positive' intake manifold pressure the more you get,hence start with a lower CR.
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Terry, did you get my PM?
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Like many other people said...What about us CSVT owners? Any thing new or in the works? please...
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Originally posted by A. Van: Like many other people said...What about us CSVT owners? Any thing new or in the works?
please... Be patient, good things are coming
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DAMN buying this house ... DAMN IT!!!
Although I have no Cougar any longer to do this with (besides, I had a V6), I am now in need of a car to play with. After driving a Focus, I must admit that I really liked the handling ... ALOT! No matter where you pointed that thing, it went without hesitation. Now with these kits being out ... something that I might consider.
Terry, will this kit fit the ZX2? I ask because I have a 2nd Gen Escort LX with 121K miles that is in need of a motor swap soon. I have done a lot of research (gotten under both cars and taken lots of notes ... no measurements yet) and the ZX2 should drop right in.
Not to mention, if this fits the ZX2 ... there are more ZX2 owners out there with more $$ than sense than all combined Contour and Cougar owners. If you position yourself right, I would say about 50+% of your sales will be to Focus owners.
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The kits will fit all 2.0 Zetec Contour/Cougar & Focus.
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Originally posted by SQPlus:
Terry, did you get my PM? Terry??
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Originally posted by Terry Haines:
The kits will fit all 2.0 Zetec Contour/Cougar & Focus. The ZX2 is a 2.0 Zetec, but I don't see it on the list you have. I am not understanding you answer any more than the first time. "all 2.0 Zetec" and then "Contour/Cougar & Focus" aren't "all 2.0 Zetec's" ... the ZX2 is missing from your list. So, what is it? All 2.0 Zetec's, or only 2.0 Zetec's in the Contour, Cougar & Focus? Thanks for clearing this up for me
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Originally posted by FastCougar:
The ZX2 is a 2.0 Zetec, but I don't see it on the list you have. I am not understanding you answer any more than the first time. "all 2.0 Zetec" and then "Contour/Cougar & Focus" aren't "all 2.0 Zetec's" ... the ZX2 is missing from your list. So, what is it? All 2.0 Zetec's, or only 2.0 Zetec's in the Contour, Cougar & Focus? Thanks for clearing this up for me yes, but not all contours, cougars and focii have the Zetec, he's saying that it will fit all Zetec equiped contours, cougars, and Focii.... correct?
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Sorry I thought the ZX2/3 was a Focus?,if its not a Focus/Cougar what is it? Ok we missed the ZX2 Escort with the 2.0VCT Zetec,yes it will fit..I should have posted 'will fit ALL 2.0 Zetec FWD vehicles!
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The Zx2 is the sporty two door version of the Escort. THe ZX3 is the 3 door hatchback version of the Focus.
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so... some may call this heresy - but what is everyones thoughts on pulling the SVT 2.5L and putting in a 300HP Zetec? i'm sure it's possible, but would it be worth the work?
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I'm having thoughts of blowing up the motor in my Zetec and getting an SVT motor plus the 300BHP kit...Hmmm...I've got too much going on...
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what about a Zetec Escape? :p
lots of Zetec owners over at escape-central.com looking for stuff for their tribby and escape.
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"i'm sure it's possible, but would it be worth the work?"
Only advantages for Zetec that I see are lower CR & packaging. Both should be addressed in Chris Hightowers or other turbo kits for Duratec. Otherwise, the Zetec lacks several SVT features that are turbo desirable like a forged crank, ported/polished heads & intake, aggressive cams, upgraded cooling, 0.5L and is less smooth & refined & sounds like a 4-pot. With at least 3 non-intercooled S/C Duratecs making 350 HP on stock internals, the turbo Dutatec has enourmous potential IMHO. Best though to do it right with trimetal bearings, billet rods and forged/low CR pistons (assembled by terry or other expert). This combo & & almost no other mods was worth 450 HP to Ken Dutweiller's 2.5Turbo Focus. With good A/F, spark management (ie Apexi etc.) and intercooler should be fairly reliable at 350-400+ HP. If you SVT guys really want a turbo, I would wait for Chris...
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This discussion has come up over at NECO Forums and here are my thoughts. V6 vs. I4 turbo buildup:
V6 Pros:
potential for more power and more intial power/torque
V6 Cons:
1 more head
2 more cams
8 more of every valve component
2 more pistons
2 more rods
2 more sets of rings
2 more sets of bearings
1 more head gasket
All the components listed above are those that would most likely need to be replaced in preperation for a turbo application.
V6 summary: More parts to replace with aftermarket parts. Cost of doing so would be enough for an I4 buildup + turbo kit. Anyway you look at it, the I4 is much easier to work on and less expensive as well!
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But FastCougar,
On the SVT, you would not need aftermarket head, valve, cam mods - factory is fine for turbo at least up to 450 HP levels (probably want to do some heat resistant coatings in chambers & valves though). True, you need a few more pistons, rods, bearings (all more expensive for the Duratec because they would be custom), but the stock forged crank may be OK. In contrast, the nodular iron Zetec crank would be suspect in my book if going for big power. So, I do think the build up cost would be more for the Duratec but not that much more. I think on a HP/Dollar basis, if you are starting with a Duratec you will be better to stay. Staring with a Zetec, better to stay Zetec, cost wise.
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Exhaust- MSDS Y-pipe/Bassani catback
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True, good point ... no sense in switching one for the other ... build whacha got
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and that is what I plan on doing...
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But I have a question. Has anyone volunteered yet? I mean I have a 4 bangin cougar, but prolly won;t have the money in time with christmas and all.
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Originally posted by iceotron:
Has anyone volunteered yet?
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No,not one from either CEG/Club Focus or Fastcougar...must Christmas present buying time...maybe next year!
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'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
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Terry have you posted over on Focaljet ? I know there are some people interested in it over there. -Mark
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might also want to post at ZX2.com's forums, but the server seems to be down right now.
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Originally posted by Terry Haines: No,not one from either CEG/Club Focus or Fastcougar...must Christmas present buying time...maybe next year! I volunteered...
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Either I imagined posting something here today, or it was deleted...and I don't know which it was!!! EDIT: Hehe...nevermind, wrong thread
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$3800???
****, for that kind of money I'll upgrade my turbo to a PTE-52 (1000cfm), throw on an ATR billet external wastegate, and pop on 50# headers, and still have enough petty cash to take my woman out to dinner! :p
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I have at 96 Contour 2L with over 100k miles on it. To get this kit working...do you think rings would have to be replaced? or the entire piston? I'm just worried about the age of the engine and then dumping this kind of power into it. Don't flame me cause I don't know much about Contours engine. But so far...this thing has required VERY little work and still is a great car. Also, how is fuel management accounted for in this kit. Or do we think the ecu is smart enough to figure it out... Thanks! PS - I work with The Mark ... cool guy for those who havent met him
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Well I would do it but There are other things That would cause trouble
ATX
Parents
Cash
Collage
So the whole set up isn't a good Idea right now.
Maybe I'll trade in the mystique for a 98 tour
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Guys why don't someone go research the turbo SHO engine they have very similar setup just need a mandraul bending machine and custom manifolds and good intercooler. I been hoping someone tke the same approach the sho took just 8 pds boost at 4000rpms all the way up would give bettermid to high. When car paid off I'm going to try.
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Originally posted by BurritaSVT:
just need a mandraul bending machine and custom manifolds Oh...is that all? I just got those for christmas last year!
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Originally posted by FFE:
Collage
Unless you're talking artwork, then yes, that would be a good idea
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ok, everyone keeps talking about this turbo and all the hp and crap,
the real question is, what CAN I OWN with this kit, with 300 hp in my zetec what cars can i take... even a broad veiw would be nice
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You would OWN every lightly(read non-S/C or NOS) modded SVT on the street for one
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Just to put things in perspective here. HP = $$$ OK.I dont advise either of these kits if you have a tired engine.Once again everyone complains at no aftermarket parts for Contour....HMS Inc is a FULL TIME outfit,we dont do the researrch and then go off to our 'day job'.We have a good shop and are building on that...please dont keep slamming the small guy (me!),who is very dedicated to this car and getting more aftermarket 'goodies' out there.It all takes time & $,if you cant wait ...buy a Honda!
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
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Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Originally posted by typhoon:
$3800???
****, for that kind of money I'll upgrade my turbo to a PTE-52 (1000cfm), throw on an ATR billet external wastegate, and pop on 50# headers, and still have enough petty cash to take my woman out to dinner! :p well that would be sweet, but we don't have turbos on already. And WTF is a 50#header? clueless....
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Terry,
Any word on the cost of adding an intercooler? Will I be able to purchase an intercooler 'add-on' after I get the kit? Will the kit be available to order soon? Thanks
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Within two weeks I hope to have engine dyno run plots,pics and status on cost/performance of the intercooler,yes it can be added later if req.Once we have all the information and can pass it to you,then we will accept orders.
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Terry, PM'ed you
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Terry, here is the link to the ZX2.com forums ... their site is down, but the message board isn't: http://pub76.ezboard.com/bzx23270 Like I stated before, the ZX2 uses the same Zetec as the rest. The Escorts unfortunately have a sorry tranny (M5 - also refered to as the G5M). I am not sure of the power potential of the tranny, but I am sure it would most definitely fail if not driven properly on boost ... consider it job security
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The Escort trans can be swapped for the MTX75 as used in the Focus Zetec/MTX75 combination for any T/C Escorts! & thanks for the info,Regards Terry Haines,HMS Inc
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
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Where did you get this info? From looking at the two cars, I can tell you that the front subframes are competely different ... but I didn't do any measurements. Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated!
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I still havent gotten an aswer to my question.
1. what about fuel management for this system? Is the stock ecu smart enough? or will the injectors go static?
2. Heads - can they be replaced?
3. Clutch - I'm sure a new one will be required. Any comments?
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Originally posted by Terry Haines: Just to put things in perspective here.
HP = $$$ OK.I dont advise either of these kits if you have a tired engine.Once again everyone complains at no aftermarket parts for Contour....HMS Inc is a FULL TIME outfit,we dont do the researrch and then go off to our 'day job'.We have a good shop and are building on that...please dont keep slamming the small guy (me!),who is very dedicated to this car and getting more aftermarket 'goodies' out there.It all takes time & $,if you cant wait ...buy a Honda! Amen brother- To those naysayers- get it or don't but don't offer your "I've been modding cars for over three months now so I am going to comment on the cost, design or idea of a turbo for which I know nothing about." I know nothing, so I slam nothing. I am also too poor to own one, but you wouldn't hear my bashing the unit.
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JenisonWRX,I PM'd you!
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
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Terry,
I am not sure if Todras has contacted you about possibly installing the stage one turbo on my Focus ZX3 this spring. Looking over the posts, it appears that new pistons are installed to lower the CR or is the head modified? What type of fuel system upgrade or electronics are needed for this kit. The car currently has an AEM intake, FC throttle body, Off-road race header, A'pexi N1 exhaust, and Esslinger UDP. I am looking at having a set of stage 2 crane cams added this spring. I am interested in doing the stage one turbo next year, and I think my car would make a good advertising item for your company. Email me at my office bryan_redeker@fmo.com.
Thanks Terry,
-Bryan
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Thanks Bryan,I'll contact you later today,may want to hold off on the cams if we go SC...Regards TH HMS Inc
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
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Ok for the Stage II you said we need an engine managment system. Are we talking a custom chip or something more along the lines of the TEAC-II fully programable, stand alone engine managment system?
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This is an amazing deal for Zetec owners. Sadly, I don't think I can do it. I just can't justify spending 4 large on a car that is only worth 4 large in the books.
I also have almost 100k miles on the engine with no problems, but I wonder how much it can take.
Terry -- Nice work! If only you were 2 years sooner....
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Hey Terry! Do you have a picture of this kit? I woudnt mind seeing it.
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Photos/dyno data due over the next week,calling HMS Inc (UK & Germany) this weekend for status reports...regards TH
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
..don't talk about it DO IT !!!
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Ah, just what I was looking for, a new turbo kit for the Zetec. As a ZX2 owner, let me say that it is not always the case that ZX3 parts fit a ZX2. Certainly not the MTX75. A major swap there. In fact, most bolt-ons fail the test. I was hoping my VCT brethern could be of some help and perhaps you guys can. I do a lot of autocrossing and was wondering if these are fast spoolers or not and if they retain the cat (or have room for one). Also, do you offer any goodies for fuel management of the stg.I kit?
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Dyno test numbers so far.
The Stage One kit is ,at 185 BHP is making around 200 Lbs of torque,stage one at top end of tune is 200 BHP @ 230 Lbs Torque at 1.2> 1.5 Bar boost.Stage Two kit is making around 340 Lbs Torque at 1.4 > 1.5 Bar.The testing on the Stage Two kit is beng run with the 'Pectel T2 /T3 Maanagement system with 'start-up' Program.More info & pics to follow soon,sorry for delay but have had dyno scheduling issues in UK (Note tests on ENGINE Dyno)
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'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Yowzers. JVT once again contemplates dropping in a Zetec instead of a 3.0. What's the bar-to-psi conversion formula? Anybody? John
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Sorry, 1.2 > 1.5 Bar is 17.4> 21.75 PSI & 1.4>1.5 Bar is 20.3 PSI > 21.75 PSI...looking good eh!!!
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Originally posted by Terry Haines: ..looking good eh!!! Uhh, yeah! 340lb of torque at 22lbs of boost. Yummy. Now, what's done to the Zetec to handle that much boost? I'm expecting the obvious, such as pistons, rods, bearings, crank is stock? Ya'll Zetec guys have got it made... Looking at BAT's catalog for the Zetec, man oh man. John
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Crank is stock as are rods & pistons,BUT we are going to risk it and tweak the Pectel and try for 350 BHP, we may blow the bottom end out but just gotta' give it a try to get up with the 'cossie numbers and 175 BHP per litre...
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Anyone tell you that you're crazy? Umm, how much of a pain would it be to swap a Zetec into a SVT? Seriously... I would mainly be concerned about the computer, wiring, PATS, accessories, etc... Doable Terry? John
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Originally posted by JVT: Anyone tell you that you're crazy?
Umm, how much of a pain would it be to swap a Zetec into a SVT? Seriously...
I would mainly be concerned about the computer, wiring, PATS, accessories, etc... Doable Terry?
JohnMight be two of us then Terry, especially if our other plans fall through
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This just sounds too cool . Nearly triple the output on stock engine components.
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Yes ,2.5 SVT to 300 BHP + Zetec is possible, gets you a lighter car too....I'm just praying for the 'bottom end' right now....and yes I'm crazy!!
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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"The Stage One kit is ,at 185 BHP is making around 200 Lbs of torque,stage one at top end of tune is 200 BHP @ 230 Lbs Torque"
Nice - is that power at the wheels?
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Originally posted by Terry Haines:
Yes,2.5 SVT to 300 BHP + Zetec is possible I wonder if you can get an insurance break for going to a smaller engine.
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Engine dyno testing, not a rolling road...
V6 MTX
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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I'm guessing these numbers have come from a non-intercooled kit. Is that true? Are you going to try and test an intercooled setup? So whats the time frame for orders? Another month or so, maybe?
Oh, please excuse my ignorance but how is the boost pressure read? I mean, I've never seen it displayed like this. 1.2 > 1.5 Bar is 17.4> 21.75 PSI I understand 'Bar' and 'psi' but why the '>' symbol?
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Originally posted by SQPlus:
Oh, please excuse my ignorance but how is the boost pressure read? I mean, I've never seen it displayed like this. [b]1.2 > 1.5 Bar is 17.4> 21.75 PSI I understand 'Bar' and 'psi' but why the '>' symbol?[/b] I think he is just trying to display a range meaning 1.2 to 1.5 bar is equal to 17.4 to 21.75 psi. HTH
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Okay, that makes since. Thanks. So I guess the 17psi figure would correlate to the 185 HP figure and the 21psi figure to the 200 HP figure. Right?
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Terry, I already have a head at a machine shop getting P&P job, it is getting a whole bunch of goodies when it gets rebuilt I am also going to rebuild the bottom end with some quality forged steel products, but where should I get them? I was thinking about using Burton power or Dunnel engines, any input? I f I do this right should I be able to sustain 350hp? maybe More ?
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Terry, Are your boost figures including the reading at 1 atmosphere + boost (ie 14.7 to be at air pressure and then say 3 psi for boost from the turbo, or the 14.7 at atmosphere + the 7psi from the turbo?) It seems to me that alot of people reading this thread are thinking that your turbo will be making 22psi of pressure...if so... ummmm at 22psi from the turbo, How come the HP and Torque figures are so low? I just think that some people on here who arent familiar with turbos(and from North America.. not familiar with Bar pressure readings, and how Euros' read turbo power) see your figure and are like.. WHOA!! but they need to realize that They are notgoing to be getting a 22psi turbo... Anywyas keep up the good work, I'm enjoying reading about all this.
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Good call, I figured the 22 psi turbo was a little off. Considering stock internals...thats a lot of boost! I forget the conversion but isn't 1 bar equivelant to 1 atmosphere at sea-level?
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Originally posted by SQPlus:
Good call, I figured the 22 psi turbo was a little off. Considering stock internals...thats a lot of boost! I forget the conversion but isn't 1 bar equivelant to 1 atmosphere at sea-level? at sea level: 1 bar = 1 atmosphere = 14.5 psi
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I'm so smart! :rolleyes: Thanks wonj.
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Sir Terry Haines or at least Terry Haines MBE, I'll have to talk to Liz.
Will the ATX stand a stage 1 with Intercooler?
I know its the same tranny as the v6 but I think there were internal changes for torque capacity
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I won't beable to do it for a couple of reasons. 1. Parents (think I drive to fast) 2. Money (going to collage next year) 3. Lead Foot (I do drive fast well as fast as can be expected with a stock zetec) My question is in the ATX, mainley the 2stage. 300 Bhp so that will be plenty of horse to tear a tranny apart. Also If you would rebuild the complete engine with the hole works would you be able to take it closer to 400bhp and say by by mustange :P The mustange drivers face would be priceless.
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SO...any thoughts on a 2.5 SVT turbo?
The zetec turbo sounds cool ass hell, and some people want to do a swap, but I'm gonna wait for a 2.5 duratec turbo...I know Terry's working on it or planning on it...
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We are developing on the Zetec for many reasons,the main one being cost. The four cylinder is a cheaper option for R&D Vs the V6, a lot of what we learn from dyno testing, calibration etc will be applied to the V6.A lot of the V6 t/c components have been designed/ 'cobbled' up for the V6 and we are moving forward on the system but the Zetec will be ready first.
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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And the V6(mine) will be next. WWooHHOoooooooo
Terry, did you contact that company I sent you the link too? Did their software look ok?
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Hey m8 just in case you won't get the post in the general mod forum...any news on lowering the compression ratio. Are you using a gasket or modifying the pistons?
One other question you seem to refer to the UK alot about dynoing...Do you have a UK department?
If so where are they? I'm in bonny Scotland at the mo, but Boring England is only 4-5 hours away depending on speed. Its about 2.3 hrs at 100mph plus!
Hope you can help as I'm doing a conversion at the mo. Using a Garret T3 turbo, alloy intercooler, (both from a RS Turbo Escort). Fuel requirements are met by a 5th injectoe being run by ERL's MF2, and the MAF replaced with a TD one. Having problems with getting an oil feed but think I have it sussed.
Hope you can get back to me!
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Posted in the mod forum,yes we do have some 'sub-HMS Inc' links in UK & germany,not a shop as such but 'shared' ventures with other small shops in Europe....
V6 MTX
'Don't p**s up my back then tell me it's raining!!!"
'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
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SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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So basically your doing the zetec first to refine your black art turbo skills . Then the V6
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Any problems with detonation so far? What octane fuel is being used? A Focus Zetec owner recently blew a rod running only 8psi...scary!!!!
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Originally posted by wonj: Any problems with detonation so far? What octane fuel is being used?
A Focus Zetec owner recently blew a rod running only 8psi...scary!!!! Yes but he was running lean, possibly detonating. He had not installed the extra injector(s?) that the aerochrger guys running the 12 psi are. I think one the guys has got 96# injectors, and is using 75% of their duty cycle! Of course he recently dynoed at 280 whp. and just as much torque!
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Please tell me that 96# was a misprint! Jesus Christ ... that's enough fuel to support 1,000 HP!
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Originally posted by wonj: Any problems with detonation so far? What octane fuel is being used?
A Focus Zetec owner recently blew a rod running only 8psi...scary!!!! There was a guy who threw a rod a couple months ago but he(and his mechanic)were highly sceptical about how much impact the Turbo really had on the engine failure.
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Originally posted by fst4dr:
Yes but he was running lean, possibly detonating. He had not installed the extra injector(s?) that the aerochrger guys running the 12 psi are. I think one the guys has got 96# injectors, and is using 75% of their duty cycle! Of course he recently dynoed at 280 whp. and just as much torque! After rereading the thread, he still has 46# injectors that are maxed out. He ordered some 92# and calculated that he would be using 75% of their duty cycle. Sorry for the confusion.
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340lbs of torque!!? Holy crap man! That's up in Mustang GT land isn't it? I know my girl's 2000 3.8 is in the low 200's and it's pretty damn quick. If you do successfully get into the 350hp range how much torque will that be? 400lbs? That would definately kill every Honduh around here for sure! Maybe even a couple GTs and Z-28s and maybe even the unsuspecting Vette here and there. I'm definately going to do this now! How to raise money........Man Whore? Drug Lord of a international drug cartel? Kidnap Ohsama Bin Laden and make him give me all his money or I'll shave his beard off? "Borrow" Bill Gates' credit card? I don't think I can do it delivering pizza, that's for sure.
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Just wondering if there was any new news here...
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dude....FFE...maybe you should reconsider going to college...
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Will have pics this week.On the high output, we are playing safe with rods & low cr pistons.Trying to combine the options re kits/ content along with a new processor...more news this week...its looking good so far..regards TH
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I will post a link in the ZX2.com forum.
Any idea how difficult it would be to fit this kit in a ZX2.
Personnaly i am only looking for ~4 psi. Enough to fatten the torque curve and give me a bit more power. This could be the setup i am looking for...
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Yeah, it'll fit a zx2. He hasn't said exactly what boost it'll be running at but I'm sure it's going to be more than 4psi. More like 8 or 10.
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Numbers...the 'top end' kit is now giving us 350 BHP @ 340 Lbs torque with 1.5 Bar boost...prices are being worked out as we had to add rods etc (our original engine 'let go' at 335 BHP....)
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Originally posted by Terry Haines: Numbers...the 'top end' kit is now giving us 350 BHP @ 340 Lbs torque with 1.5 Bar boost...prices are being worked out as we had to add rods etc (our original engine 'let go' at 335 BHP....) Everytime I see those numbers I can't believe it...
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You Zetec 'tour are really getting taken care of, to bad there is no turbo kit for the v6 duratec.
I WANT A ZETEC now. At least now we migth get recognized in the aftermarket more..............all thanks to Terry
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Man that is awesome. So the addition of the rods won't be added to the 'lower level' kit?(Stage One) Thanks.
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All I know is that if I get my azz handed to me by a damned Focus....I am gonna be upset. 1.5bar=approx 21psi.....holy omfg.....
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21 PSI, isnt that alittle Extreme?? Your MPG will drop significantly and with that much boost you'd have a hell of a turbo lag.
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Turbo lag has absolutely nothing to do with the level of boost being made. It has to do with the sizing of the turbo. Modern turbos spool so fast that turbo lag is a thing of the past.
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OMFG....fuel economy is all a sudden a concern with a 350plus HP 2.0L? Gimme a fuggin break...P.S. turbolag is a thing of the past man.....variable vane Turbos all but eliminate the lag......duh....MPG wtf is that?
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Originally posted by 1Sick_Puppy:
OMFG....fuel economy is all a sudden a concern with a 350plus HP 2.0L? Gimme a fuggin break...P.S. turbolag is a thing of the past man.....variable vane Turbos all but eliminate the lag......duh....MPG wtf is that? My bad man, I must still be livin in the 90's. I better get with it huh.
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"Numbers...the 'top end' kit is now giving us 350 BHP @ 340 Lbs torque with 1.5 Bar boost...prices are being worked out as we had to add rods etc (our original engine 'let go' at 335 BHP....)"
Terry, why did she "let go". Rods? IIRC Zetec has an iron crank, did you upgrade that as well? This is the kind of performance R&D I would love to see for the Duratec - find out what really needs to be upgraded and at what point. Nice work, your the MAN!
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DAn, after re-reading Terry's post I would bet the rods let loose....he says he had to add rods to that kit so that is why I say it....but damn those are some sweet numbers.......
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Rods(caps) let go,crank is steel stock,boost max is dependant on initial cr and I dont give a damm about fuel economy ok!!!!
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Terry, is it even possible to turn the boost down when needed on this thing? I ask because the thought of my wife tooling around in my 'tour w/ 300+ HP at the wheels terrifies me just a little And she'd wanna drive it after that, trust me!
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The 'boost pedal' is the one on the far right!!!
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'Its only nuts & bolts!'
'If I build it,fix it,upgrade it or modify it...MAYBE they will come....!
Haines Motor Sports Inc,
Dealer for 'Quaife America' & 'Autotech Sport Tuning'
SOLE USA Dealer for the American Axle 'AUSSIE BAR'...
Get a Turbo for you Zetec from HMS Inc...by 'The Demon' ...www.DemonDynamics.co.uk
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Yeah, thanks Terry Guess I'll just have to hide the keys...
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I am going to close this at 170 posts and direct you to the new Haines Motorsports Turbo thread on this forum.
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