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If you want to bring out an extra set of DOT legal regular (up to Z rated) tires I have no problem, but the fact is I do NOT want to see anyone using Race compound or shaved competition tires.
-Mark

Then why bother??? Not interested.. I've got my street tires.. FOR THE STREET

I may compete in the GS class that is there, but otherwise I'm not going to bother.

I would really like to hear the justification for this.

*yawn*
I lay down for a nap, and look what happens.
:P

I have to say that Dave has basically summed up my feelings about race tires. I have them for a number of reasons, all of which Dave has brought up. If you are dead-set against it, please spell out your reasoning. I think there are many reasons FOR it, I can't think of any against...

Tell you what, I have no problems running against anyone (S/C, 3.0, Quaifed, Aussiefied, Whatever) for the open cup. I only ask that you give those of us with the desire to drive, the pleasure of driving, and racing, for the Cup.

Mark, I think you need to put the crack pipe down and face reality.

Inasmuch as some people will run serious mods to crank up the hp levels - others will want to run stickier(race) tires to suit their wishes. Having a problem with the one but not the other smacks of hypocrisy, especially in light of a so-called Open Class category.

And people wonder why I don't attend national meets....

Dan Beggs
99 Cougar V6, BTR'd

I don't know if I'm coming but I disagree with using autocross tires because as Dave points out, they are a major advantage that not everyone will have. Propose to allow tires legally allowed in STS.

You can still run Kuhmo 712, or G-force radials or Michelin pilot sport or Bridgestone Pole position, but the ringer race tires are only for serious autocrossers and most folks coming to SZ are not that serious to have separate sets of wheels with race tires.

Afraid you can't win without race tires?

As for the cup thing, there needs to be one trophy for stock cars and one for modded.

Cole.. your right, if you noticed I originally intended to have seperate classes. I still think that is appropriate.

And I don't think the wear and tear on my regular tires is worth it.


And I don't plan on buying another set just to prove it.

BTW one other thing.. Race tires are very close to being even for all competitors, no matter the brand.

Street tires can leave a lot to be desired from brand to brand and model to model.

It's actually one of the fairest ways to level the driving skill.

Dave I'm not saying I'm coming yet, but if I do I would be willing to spring for halvies with you on a set of 215/40-16 Kuhmo 712s to mount on your race wheels for this event. I think a non-moonroof SVT would be faster and I think the later 99 and 2000 models probably handle better too.

Uhhh the Kuhmo's are race rubber Cole.. but i certainly do appreciate the offer and we'll have to see.

oops me bad.. wrong Kuhmo's #. Sorry about that.. food for thought though.

My justification is simple. I do not want people feeling they have to go out and spend money on race tires to be able to be competitive.
You guys are failing to understand the position I am in. I have to deal with complaints and comments from both sides of the spectrum and make choices based on that. Last year one person used race tires and i received quite a few complaints over it even though he didn't win. The majority of people who are going to be competing in the Cup are for the most part not AutoX regulars, People who AutoX often enough to warrant the use of race tires already have an advantage from experience alone. You toss int he race tires it just stacks the deck further.
I am sorry guys, the race tires are out and it is going to stay that way. If you choose not to compete in the Spring Zing Cup over it that is your choice.
I am not trying to be a dick about it and I know I can't please everyone.
-Mark

So make a seperate class. Those of us who do this regularly shouldn't be racing against those who don't anyway. Because of that competitive advantage.