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So who is going to be the first one to post a 425wHP dyno sheet? I have it on very good insider information..  ..heheh.... that Stilov with his Cyclops of a FI 3L turbo, is in VERY stiff competition with Burrita's Collosal forged 3L Titan to break 400wHP and on their way towards even higher Titles. WHO will win? Hmmmm.  I propose a trophy to the winner....<soon as I find that box of dried out cookies>...of each stage. A cookie, each a bit larger and more preserved than the last one for the first to break 400. I'll throw in a donut for the first one to hit 425wHP<limited time offer>!  So tell me, shall we start a pool on who it will be? I bet we see a dyno sheet in this thread before too long. 
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well if i can make about 300 on a stock block with 135k miles on it, this coming spring i should be able to have a sheet at 400. what i was hoping to see was YOU warmonger put up a 500 WHP sheet 
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I really like Burritas setup, but Ill be rooting for my SW homeboy.
Should be interesting!
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can we get some links with pics to the contenders?  Just for us noobs or newer people who want the specs on these guys.
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http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=picsvids&Number=1303389&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1Here your request and quick breakdown is this 3.0 bored .020 over all forged internals and arp bolts ported heads and polished large 50# injectors and 255lph pump 80mm Maf lightning might be to small for 500whp trubendz 3" duals with race cats T3/T4 60 trim 63 A.R 800 cfm intercooler with Tial BOV 50mm basics info
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Please PM me if you would like to join the pool on which one breaks first.
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This should be interesting. Though don't you have a hand in this Tom? Can't you be a deciding factor on Burrita's power output?
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Don't rule out the little guy. I'm still working on it. I got the car running again, but fried that tiny turbo. Good luck to all. Hopefully we'll see more 400whp+ Contours out there in the upcoming weeks/months. It'd be about time.
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Does it have to be a CSVT?
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Originally posted by TRicker:
well if i can make about 300 on a stock block with 135k miles on it, this coming spring i should be able to have a sheet at 400. what i was hoping to see was YOU warmonger put up a 500 WHP sheet
250 is not "about" 300 by any means...
I think it'll be nice to see a few more tours joining the 400 club. It is definatly a nice milestone.
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I say Burrita, but i havent seen Stilov's latest developments.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Please PM me if you would like to join the pool on which one breaks first.
j/k
This should be interesting. Though don't you have a hand in this Tom? Can't you be a deciding factor on Burrita's power output?
hmmm, how much money is at stake?
lol
Lets just say that both of them have very capable systems and both have at least forged pistons but at different compression ratios.
Stilov has 9:1 forged and burrita has 8.5:1 forged.
And don't forget Ray is right up there too.
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Originally posted by BurritaSVT:
T3/T4 60 trim 63 A.R
Is this the same turbo as Tom/Ray? I cant remember.
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Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Originally posted by BurritaSVT:
T3/T4 60 trim 63 A.R
Is this the same turbo as Tom/Ray? I cant remember.
Nope. This has a T3 exh. wheel with smaller exhaust housing for quicker spool. I don't know data on compressor side though.
Ray has T3 exhaust with .82 housing and stageIII trim.
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who has that 400Hp 2.5 powered csvt, i forget whos it was. ps. yeah im pretty sure i will be 300 now though i have a new clutch and a bit of tuning.
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Originally posted by TRicker:
who has that 400Hp 2.5 powered csvt, i forget whos it was.
ps. yeah im pretty sure i will be 300 now though i have a new clutch and a bit of tuning.
Stilov had like 410 didnt he?
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I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.
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I'm waiting for someone to put a good sized turbo on one of these engines... heck people are running bigger hotsides on 2.0L 4 cylinders...
Crank up the boost...
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Originally posted by Tourige:
Originally posted by TRicker:
who has that 400Hp 2.5 powered csvt, i forget whos it was.
ps. yeah im pretty sure i will be 300 now though i have a new clutch and a bit of tuning.
Stilov had like 410 didnt he?
Not yet. The guys name was ssmunich or something like that. Sold the car and now its in MI I believe.
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Originally posted by Barge:
I'm waiting for someone to put a good sized turbo on one of these engines...
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car was suneil's... it now sits in our driveway next to the 3L under the ownership of my father. 
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Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�®:
car was suneil's... it now sits in our driveway next to the 3L under the ownership of my father.
Is that the True Blue one with the Front mount?
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Originally posted by Tourige:
Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�®:
car was suneil's... it now sits in our driveway next to the 3L under the ownership of my father.
Is that the True Blue one with the Front mount?
Black. 
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Originally posted by Loco4G63:
Originally posted by Tourige:
Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�®:
car was suneil's... it now sits in our driveway next to the 3L under the ownership of my father.
Is that the True Blue one with the Front mount?
Black.
lol, exactly. get with the program  ...
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Originally posted by Loco4G63:
Originally posted by Tourige:
Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�®:
car was suneil's... it now sits in our driveway next to the 3L under the ownership of my father.
Is that the True Blue one with the Front mount?
Black.
Oi!
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i looked it up and down many times on his site. it is a nice car, for sure. i was gonna duplicate his build but i decided that i am going to stay with nitrous. turbos are sweet but not on my 100 mile round trip to work and back....
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I kind of just wanted to keep quiet until the big day... oh well we'll see what happens.
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oval 3.0 balanced, stock bore 9:1 Diamond pistons...3L upper (alum) and lower keeping 2ndaries 3L cams as well(custom modded LIM) Minor port/polish heads, GT TB ported, custom built turbo kit w/ MSDS headers, 750 cfm Intercooler, custom exchanger, 42# injectors, 80mm Lightning MAF, 3in exhaust no cats.
Just some specs for your.
Another thing I thought of is this will be a custom kit v. a production kit.
I am not tooting my horn by the way...that's why I have kept to myself b/c I didn't want to come back and say I only did xxx hp. Please keep that in mind.
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Originally posted by TRicker:
turbos are sweet but not on my 100 mile round trip to work and back....
Whats wrong with a turbo in that case? If you're out of boost you generally pick up a mile or two more per gallon of gas and if you aren't on it nothing is going to pop because of the turbo.
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I am sure your setup is very nice too. Anybody who goes through the entire setup like we did should easily see 400whp in my opinion is to much for out car. I beleive you will run in to a road block like me with the MAF I most probably will outflow the lightning one since i was using 75% off the MAF with just 12 psi. Fuel for me seems to be not an issue like others faced with the 42lbs.
Warmonger has got this thing uncontrollable at this point I will be so curious to what I am putting down right now with just 14 psi.
I think the major differences between our setup is fuel supply, CR, cylinder volume and the trims are slightly higher for you.
I also have 3lb spring in my tial wastegate that doesn't allow my boost to come in so quick. It is a smooth pull since more than likly my wastegate is opening prematurly on low rpms. But it is advantage to have the power more up top due to the traction issues. BUt at 4K I am at 14psi and the pull never stops to redline. Which I am sure we will see different dyno graphs since i am using the SVT cams too.
But unless somthing bizarre happens like a hurricane comes or meteor Hits Earth. I will have a dyno for Sept 5 ( 7 days ) and a video to go along with it. Thanks for the support and info guys there is no way in hell I could have built a car without the forum and foremost Warmonger for his great tuning and advice.
Let me know when there is a meet coming up I will make it there so some CEG die hards can get a ride in the car and see up close what makes us unique from most FWD cars.
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Hopefully my dyno won't be too far behind...although the advantage that I have is the altitude...hp is corrected here and I won't be pushing the stress or fuel to extremes as I would at sea level...I live near Denver...the "mile high" city. So I am crossing my fingers that it will work out that way. Good luck to you on the dyno!!!!
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I don't think they're doing it for the bragging rights. I think they're doing it because they enjoy it. Sorta like you enjoy having a shiny car.
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
Forgive me for this, but WHATS THE POINT  IMO this is a very expensive braggin' right title, but if thats your thing, more power to you and good luck I've driven JD's Dad's ride and it pulled 401 hp w/ 17 psi and its now turned down to about 12.5lbs (about 350 hp to the wheels) and its basically undriveable in 1st and most of 2nd gear. Don't get me wrong, its great what some of you guys have been able to do in the past 3 years, but theres just NO way to harness all that power unless your in 3rd gear and your rollin' along 
What's the point of a street car with 1000hp? any kind of car at all? what's the point of a Ferrari? what's the point of a sports car? I mean cars are just meant to get you from one point to the other.
This has got to be one of the silliest things ever posted on a car enthusiast message board.
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You'll notice this is the first anyone has even heard of me doing anything...
I just like it.
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Originally posted by Barge:
Originally posted by Klasse Act:
Forgive me for this, but WHATS THE POINT IMO this is a very expensive braggin' right title, but if thats your thing, more power to you and good luck I've driven JD's Dad's ride and it pulled 401 hp w/ 17 psi and its now turned down to about 12.5lbs (about 350 hp to the wheels) and its basically undriveable in 1st and most of 2nd gear. Don't get me wrong, its great what some of you guys have been able to do in the past 3 years, but theres just NO way to harness all that power unless your in 3rd gear and your rollin' along
What's the point of a street car with 1000hp? any kind of car at all? what's the point of a Ferrari? what's the point of a sports car? I mean cars are just meant to get you from one point to the other.
This has got to be one of the silliest things ever posted on a car enthusiast message board.
Is it, really
Have you driven JD's Dad's ride
I know this, lets say you've got a new ZO6 and add the Magneson S/C'er to it and put out something like 650 hp, its going to be alot easier to drive than a 400 hp FWD car with 225 series tires on it Like I said, even with 350 hp to the front wheels the car is a beast, a handful and dare I say, DANGEROUS I'm sure it would be alot better with cheater slicks on it, but other than that, its too much power to put through the front tires. You know what though, I'd like see you and him run it in third gear and see what happens (on a closed coarse, ofcoarse )
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
You know what though, I'd like see you and him run it in third gear and see what happens (on a closed coarse, ofcoarse )
Sure.. and I'll lose just like I would to just about any turbocharged contour...
He's probably putting down 100-150 more hp to the wheels.. so yeah.. what's your point?
Yeah.. new corvette with 650 hp is terribly safe to drive. I'm sure just about any real performance car with only 2 drive wheels can light it up in the first 3 gears...
look at Ryelou's SRT4.. he can roast the 1st 3 gears yet is his car stupid? is his car pointless? are all those people with 5-600 hp SRT4's wasting their time? Yes.. they have found ways to get traction at the track... nobody with a contour has tried that hard to make it a drag car yet.
Look at how many stock STI's and EVO's get destroyed by people who can't handle the horsepower... or the guy on woodward that wrecked his twin turbo vette... but all those cars are probably pointless too since they are dangerous to drive with too much power...
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
Forgive me for this, but WHATS THE POINT IMO this is a very expensive braggin' right title, but if thats your thing, more power to you and good luck I've driven JD's Dad's ride and it pulled 401 hp w/ 17 psi and its now turned down to about 12.5lbs (about 350 hp to the wheels) and its basically undriveable in 1st and most of 2nd gear. Don't get me wrong, its great what some of you guys have been able to do in the past 3 years, but theres just NO way to harness all that power unless your in 3rd gear and your rollin' along
The 2.5L....Umm yeah it pulled some power. But we aren't talking race gas and ice in the intercooler tank for one run.
We're talking pump gas here. Like Ray's car drove almost 100 miles rolled right onto the dyno and dropped down 350 at 10psi on pump gas.
The power is usable if you have multistage boost controllers and besides that it's fun as hell! 
I'll tell you what, the turbo 3L isn't even the same animal as the turbo 2.5L engines. THe area under the curve below 5K rpm just absolutely tromps any turbo 2.5L graph I've ever seen, includign JD's Dads car....A very nice car I might add so no offense to it.
But there is still work to be done and there IS a point to it. Someone is going to make one of these suckers hook up. No one uses drag radials but once they are put on one of the 3L turbos there will be some absolute azz kickin at the strip and anywhere else.
Someone's got to do it.........
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Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by TRicker:
well if i can make about 300 on a stock block with 135k miles on it, this coming spring i should be able to have a sheet at 400. what i was hoping to see was YOU warmonger put up a 500 WHP sheet
250 is not "about" 300 by any means...
I think it'll be nice to see a few more tours joining the 400 club. It is definatly a nice milestone.
Tricker just got served!!!!!!!! just messing with ya, but I would take a turbo over nitorus anyday. Nitrous is only fun untill the bottle runs out. Turbo's sound cooler too.
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The power is usable if you have multistage boost controllers and besides that it's fun as hell!
Ah, now this makes some sense I wonder why more guys don't do this to their high hp FWD cars
MY only point about the ZO6 w/ a blower was this, its alot easier to handle on the street than a 400 hp FWD w/o the multi-stage boost controller, thats all
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
Ah, now this makes some sense I wonder why more guys don't do this to their high hp FWD cars
Umm plenty of people do.
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
MY only point about the ZO6 w/ a blower was this, its alot easier to handle on the street than a 400 hp FWD w/o the multi-stage boost controller, thats all
I disagree. You're comparing a S/C RWD vehicle to turbocharged (because in this case they all are) FWD cars. As we all know boost from a S/C builds with RPMs while boost from a turbo builds from the exhaust gas, so if you don't want to hit boost in any of the aformentioned 400whp FWD cars...you just don't. It's really the best of both worlds IMO. It's stupid power on demand, but it's easy drivability when you're putzing around. Now my car has different traction capabilities than a CSVT but the point stands that if you have a car that makes enough power in 1st and 2nd gear that you're not going to get traction on street tires, why get on it then? I for one don't waste my time racing anyone from a dead stop unless I have my drag radials on (at the track of course) I wouldn't even consider going to the track without my drag radials or slicks actually. After you're out of 2nd gear, 400hp is completely useable in my car. (I can't speak for the rest as I've never been in them)
Now for the S/C RWD vehicle, becuase boost builds with RPMs you have to worry about tires and traction any time you're seeing higher RPMs. Sure a lot of the high HP RWD cars don't have as bad of issues with putting their power to the ground, but a mistake in a RWD car is just as costly as a mistake in a FWD car...regadless of power. And I really don't think it's any easier to control a 650hp RWD car than it is a 400hp FWD car. In one you get torque steer and the other you get the tail end kicking out.
I also don't have a multi-stage boost controller on my car. Actually I think I went the most inexpensive route possible in getting the standard TurboXS boost controller you can pick up for like $75 new. Like it says above, I just don't hit boost if I don't want to.
Roger we'll meet up sometime and we'll go for a ride in my car. I'll show you other than the clutch being a bit grabby it's actually EASIER to drive than a stock SRT-4! The stock turbo is so small you get absolutly rediculous part throttle boost which makes driving around under normal conditions a pain in the ass and potentially harmful to the turbo/engine. With the larger turbo I completely got rid of all that and picked up a few MPG in the process.
Originally posted by Klasse Act:
Forgive me for this, but WHATS THE POINT
Like Derek said, with that logic what's the point of anything other than 60mpg Toyotas? And that's assuming you're all about economical cars. To the opposite, to people who own these 400hp cars...I ask you whats the point in owning a car that isn't fast? I enjoy having a 400hp daily driver. I think everyone should. Why did you pick the Crossfire over an SRT-4? Personal taste.
And I guess you get to a point where it becomes an obsession, but I won't get into that. I need to go figure out when I can get my larger injectors in to tune for more power, haha.
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Originally posted by RyeLou:
The stock turbo is so small you get absolutly rediculous part throttle boost which makes driving around under normal conditions a pain in the ass and potentially harmful to the turbo/engine.
Very true. Driving a buddy's modded but stock turbo srt4, I got on it at too low of rpm. It built boost but the rpm didn't go anywhere so I quickly let out. And his car is close to 300whp and he seriously thinking adding another 50hp soon. It's plenty driveable. Sure it spins the crap outta 215 wide street tires in first or second, but after that it's a blast and he always has the option of drag radials or slicks. Same thing goes for contours. If contour owners want traction, it's out there. They just gotta spend the money and time.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
And his car is close to 300whp and he seriously thinking adding another 50hp soon.
To do that he'll need a larger turbo or nitrous. 300whp is about the limit on the stock turbo. The only people who have more power on the 'stock turbo' are the guys who buy a modified stock turbo which makes more power but also makes a sh!t ton more heat.
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Ryan, all your points are well made and w/o the usual BS found here lately, thanks I'd love to go for a ride in your car and even be able to drive it as a matter of fact and if I can't, I understand I guess I wanna be able to mash and go, something I was used to doing in the past. I recently drove a hybrid 3.0L CSVT (Bill-StarJammir) that has dyno'd at 230 FWHP, now thats more of what I'm talking about, although I didn't beat the crap out of it you can tell its got some tug and its very streetable, can't wait till the 55 shot is installed
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I think I get what Roger is implying and if anyone thinks a high powered FWD car is easier to handle than a high horse rwd than your nuts. I will compare to a Corvette, I assume most of you probaly have not driven a c6 z06, 505hp of fury, thats so docile and manageable its ridicoulus. So easy to drive and maintain. You don't have things like tourqe steer weighing you down. RWD is superior plan and simple, don't get your feelings hurt. I don't.
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Originally posted by RyeLou:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
And his car is close to 300whp and he seriously thinking adding another 50hp soon.
or nitrous.
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Originally posted by RyeLou:
And I really don't think it's any easier to control a 650hp RWD car than it is a 400hp FWD car. In one you get torque steer and the other you get the tail end kicking out.
all I have to add is that tail end kick out is generally more fun than torque steer. (and always on a closed cource)
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
I recently drove a hybrid 3.0L CSVT (Bill-StarJammir) that has dyno'd at 230 FWHP
When did this dyno take place? And where?
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Someone else has already dyno'd...............
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
or nitrous.
Nice. All the nitrous guys I've read about have quite good results at the strip with it.
Originally posted by Livinsvt:
I assume most of you probaly have not driven a c6 z06, 505hp of fury, thats so docile and manageable its ridicoulus. So easy to drive and maintain. You don't have things like tourqe steer weighing you down. RWD is superior plan and simple, don't get your feelings hurt. I don't.
My feelings definitly aren't hurt. I have driven a C6 Z06 and I've driven cars that make more RWHP than that as well. I still think each car is so differnet you can't really say one is easier than another. Sure a new C6 Z06 may be easier to manage on the street than a 400whp FWD car that came out 5 years ago. But that Vette also has the latest and greatest in suspension and brakes and all that crap too. To the contrary, if you try comparing the 400whp FWD car to an old muscle car w/o power steering (amoung other things) it's obviously different.
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Originally posted by RyeLou:
And I really don't think it's any easier to control a 650hp RWD car than it is a 400hp FWD car. In one you get torque steer and the other you get the tail end kicking out.
all I have to add is that tail end kick out is generally more fun than torque steer. (and always on a closed cource)
haha, I definitly won't disagree. Either way if one becomes too much you're in a world or hurt.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Someone else has already dyno'd...............
shhh.....!!!!
There is somewhat of a story behind it, still waiting on the graph...and lot more power to be had.
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Originally posted by stilov:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Someone else has already dyno'd...............
shhh.....!!!!
There is somewhat of a story behind it, still waiting on the graph...and lot more power to be had.
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now stilov you know it not good to tease us with I did already. Even if you dynoed less it would be interesting to see what the car can make untuned. I will show mine regardless if the car not up to par suspense kills us..........lol
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Heheh, the D!cks at the dyno place sent him away without a printout and he's gotta get it from them.
Oops! I mean Someone has dyno'd and needs to get the sheet.
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Originally posted by RyeLou:
My feelings definitly aren't hurt. I have driven a C6 Z06 and I've driven cars that make more RWHP than that as well. I still think each car is so differnet you can't really say one is easier than another. Sure a new C6 Z06 may be easier to manage on the street than a 400whp FWD car that came out 5 years ago. But that Vette also has the latest and greatest in suspension and brakes and all that crap too. To the contrary, if you try comparing the 400whp FWD car to an old muscle car w/o power steering (amoung other things) it's obviously different.
Originally posted by Pope:
Originally posted by RyeLou:
And I really don't think it's any easier to control a 650hp RWD car than it is a 400hp FWD car. In one you get torque steer and the other you get the tail end kicking out.
all I have to add is that tail end kick out is generally more fun than torque steer. (and always on a closed cource)
haha, I definitly won't disagree. Either way if one becomes too much you're in a world or hurt.
Leaf springs new technology . Not to mention the c6 suspension is basicly the same as the c5 (1998), the rear setup is a little differnet, better tires, wheels base and sure more refined tuning in the c6. Sorry not really a valid point. Old muscle cars with 400hp rwd, nope still easier to manage. Solid axles make a difference. Doesn't matter what your comparing RWD superior. Don't get me wrong power in any car is fun. I like high powered csvts
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Stilov, where did you go to Dyno? Im curious. . .
I also know of a great guy in Boulder named Harvey. Very very friendly and an all around great guy. I bet he would enjoy seeing your car. I dyno'd with him a few times, so I personally would like him to see what these cars were capable of. He runs a Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno (can do FWD or RWD just fine), and is a dynamo Subaru tuner. I think he now has the fastest Scoobie 1/4 mile time in the state.
Anyway, just an FYI. He works at SuperRupair in Boulder. Great guy and a car nut in general. If you want more info, let me know.
EDIT: If you are going for the HP title, I would hold off on the D.D. dyno. Notoriously low numbers. There are quite a few Dynojets in the Denver area, however.
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Ok well...I will tell you, but they are supposed to email me my dyno sheet...I think Tuesday b/c of the holiday.
It was with 91 octane, and it was at about 12psi...I think.
The guy doing the dyno couldn't work my boost controller and wasn't that convincing as far as what psi it was at.
So they sent me away saying my turbo was faulty or too small...no it isn't. (PFI Speed was the shop in Ft. Collins)
I dyno'd 336 and I think 324 torque.
Since then Tom has up'd my timing a bit and leaned me out. The datalog I sent Tom indicates I made that power flowing 27 lbs/min...right Tom? So maybe it was more of a 10 psi? I am not really sure, but my turbo should push at least 40 lbs/min.
I will spend some time dialing in my boost controller and then head back to turn the boost up.
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The timing isn't really as big of a help as leaning the air fuel out will be. That is where the power will be made. We just don't want to over/underadvance the engine.
It sounds like he was dynoing between 10-11 psi to me. That is pretty darn good numbers for an engine that is only 9:1 when my 10:1 engine on 10psi would spike up and then back down to 10 psi would make around 350 hp. The higher compression easily accounts for that.
So he's nearly there already at around the same boost pressure, plus his engine can be boosted even higher without too much fear.
His airflow numbers show he was making it around 27 #/min (based on maf counts which in turn is dependent on how well the maf curve is figured out) and that means he's got at least another 15 #/min available in the turbo. THat's about 50% more airflow available and I think it can fully take him over the 400 wHP mark once we get a couple of back-back dyno runs with tune corrections as well as someone who can turn a damned boost controller knob!
Wait till we get it upwards of 16-18psi.
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not that i'm even close to being a "titan" so i shouldnt be posting here, but i will guarantee when i get on the dyno next i WILL put down over 300 WHP on the stock motor with 138k on it now. i put that power down with a slipping clutch and AFR's at 9.1:1. it's a whole new car holding at 12.5 all the way through on the bottle, and 13:0 off. 300 slips coming soon...... anyhow, back to the fast car talk!
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can you run a nitrous car that lean? I would be carefull there I was doing some reading and they get dangerously hot when the A/F is leaned out. Maybe some water injection if you go that lean along with the nitrous. Or maybe just lean it out one point to 10.5:1 first.
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Not long till we have quite a few cars with over 400 whp pump gas street driven. Lot of us are getting there rather quickly. Its about time!
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ideal A/F n/A is 13:1
11:1-12:1 is ideal for nitrous.... im pushin it, yes. when i get on the dyno im going to see where i make the best power. as far as it goes now, however, it is much faster at 12:1 than at 9:1, lol
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