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old problem #1632033 08/18/06 12:41 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137 N NiggShevik OP CEG\'er
OP NiggShevik CEG\'er N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137	Today i took the 'tour to my friend's dad's auto repair shop. He plugged the computer in and it wasn't getting a reading from the o2 sensor. Found out later that the o2 was simply unplugged, plugged it in. He also cleaned my throttle body and said that should fix the idle problem. Well after driving it, the idle problem is even more present. I can count on it to stall almost every stop. I've gotten it back from ford before and the same thing happened, but they had gone in and looked at the intake manifold. They replaced a cam sensor and it was running much better. I'm not exactly sure if something happened like that. What do you guys think? I reeally want to fix this problem for good. 2000 Black SVT Contour

Re: old problem #1632034 08/18/06 12:43 AM
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Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA	Scan (free at Autozone and Advance) and post the CEL codes. "Always do the cheap and easy ones first." 1996 V6 ATX 96K miles

Re: old problem #1632035 08/18/06 12:50 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137 N NiggShevik OP CEG\'er
OP NiggShevik CEG\'er N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137	will do. i've was told before from ford that there was a vacuum leak coming from the LIM or heads. Told my friend that and said he didn't think so based on a simple "water test" that was performed in front of me. Was this test adequate inspection for that problem? Ford had told me that i was gonna need new heads or intake manifold depending on what it was... but then again... ford didn't put on the o2 sensor. What do you guys think? 2000 Black SVT Contour

Re: old problem #1632036 08/18/06 12:54 AM
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Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA	Can you describe this "water test"? If the headgasket is leaking, then we have an el cheapo headgasket test to confirm. If the UIM/LIM gasket is leaking, then try changing the UIM/LIM gasket. Check out our Duratec Maintenance FAQ. Duratec Maintenance FAQ Do the el cheapo headgasket test. Fill coolant to the brim on recovery tank (leave cap off). Remove all spark plug wires. Remove all but one spark plug and have someone crank the engine. If the coolant bubbles over, there is leak from that portion of the engine (or cylinder). If not, go to the next cylinder, and then the next.... Note, it could be more than one area or more than one cylinder. "Always do the cheap and easy ones first." 1996 V6 ATX 96K miles

Re: old problem #1632037 08/18/06 12:57 AM
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OP NiggShevik CEG\'er N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137	the water test looked like he poured water on my engine and watched for ... steam... (i'm guessing). Seemed too quick for comfort at the time. the uim/lim gaskets have been changed numerous times. Ford said the manifold may infact be warped, but was unable to confirm that. I'll check out the headgasket test. what do u think of the water test? 2000 Black SVT Contour

Re: old problem #1632038 08/18/06 12:59 AM
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Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA	Originally posted by NiggShevik: the water test looked like he poured water on my engine and watched for ... steam... (i'm guessing). Seemed too quick for comfort at the time. the uim/lim gaskets have been changed numerous times. Ford said the manifold may infact be warped, but was unable to confirm that. I'll check out the headgasket test. what do u think of the water test? Don't let your "friend" go near your car again. If the manifold was not warped to begin with, it might have warped due to the water being poured on it. "Always do the cheap and easy ones first." 1996 V6 ATX 96K miles

Re: old problem #1632039 08/18/06 01:00 AM
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OP NiggShevik CEG\'er N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137	whaaa? why would he do that? 2000 Black SVT Contour

Re: old problem #1632040 08/18/06 01:03 AM
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Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA	Originally posted by NiggShevik: whaaa? why would he do that? He probably thought the leak was air coming out of the manifold gaskets (when it is the other way around). So in his reasoning, steam coming out would be hot air boiling the water as it comes out of the joint where the manifold gasket is. "Always do the cheap and easy ones first." 1996 V6 ATX 96K miles

Re: old problem #1632041 08/18/06 01:06 AM
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OP NiggShevik CEG\'er N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 137	well i'm callin him up to tell him the job isn't done. He seemed pretty confident about his diagnosis. This has really been a never ending problem, might just have to do a whole engine rebuild after a while. 2000 Black SVT Contour

Re: old problem #1632042 08/18/06 01:10 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA T Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er
Tony2005 Addicted CEG\'er T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,345 Virginia, USA	I'll say it once again, Originally posted by Tony2005: Don't let your "friend" go near your car again. ... "Always do the cheap and easy ones first." 1996 V6 ATX 96K miles

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