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You've spoken your piece, and you did it without swearing. Thanks.

If you must leave, do so while PROMOTING the platform to other people.

If you choose to stay, do so with an open mind. I never singled you out as the ONLY one to jump people. I agree that MANY people on here are rude. You just HAPPENED to bring attention to yourself, in this.

Do what you must.

see ya

I really don't get this guy's problem. He has OK numbers using nitrous (which ANYONE can do on ANY platform). He has done nothing great and doesn't seem to know all that much about these cars (not that I do). He wants to put in his two cents about tuning when he knows nothing/little about it and gets angry when someone is giving factual information about it. I hate to see someone leave that is willing to try new things with these cars or even willing to do anything with them, but dang his attitude stinks. Stick around guy, you don't have to leave. Just realize you don't know everything about everything and your way is not the only way nor even the best way even if it's worked good for you.

And if I'm not mistaken, that msd box you have cost about what an xcal2 cost. Yet the xcal2 allows for so much more. Why would you go against something like that?

Well, to him I guess HP = knowledge. Or something. Maybe lack there of?

Use the following as examples:

After my first comment in this thread

Originally posted by TRicker PM:

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hey [censored], heres your PM. why dont you put your dyno sheet where your mouth is? if i post nonsense, why am i putting down more than half the people on this site and nobody in the tri state area with another contour will race me? because when they SEE MY [censored] they SHUT THERE MOUTH. eat a high hard one dude.

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Originally posted by TRicker PM:

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post up a dyno sheet and prove that you know more than me, [censored].

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Dont let the door hit ya!

wow!

He has been on a rampage for days. This kind of crap needs to stop and though I'd say he mostly overreacted, he did have a point that in some threads he was jumped on.
Ah, C'est la Vie

He wandered over here from SVTPerformance, after running his mouth over there as well. He finally started to calm down, after he realized that we all had the same thing in common. A couple posts later and he's got an attitude again.

By the way, I did offer to meet him half way between Indiana and Minnesota, at a drag strip of his choice, and see if he could put the car lengths on me that he said he could. Needless to say, he had 37 excuses, saying something about racing me in a snowmobile. I even offered to run him N/A, with him on the bottle.

Mark

mark. i told you i needed a clutch! i have it. let meet up sometime this month? i'm up for some fun. a hybrid+bottle should gime a run either way but i bet i have more nitrous on mine than you do (i care less about my motor)

and yeah you guys can all talk but i have met in person a few guys from here and i dont think any of them dislike me a bit. the fact is, i stand here and look at my car and the little i have done is done right, and you guys post up nonsense promoting items that dont work, or show little gain. like a borla exhaust, its the same thing as stock. stock sized tubing, just a high flow res and mufflers. 800$ for that thing? i'm sorry, but thats a waste of $$$ even though it looks nice (the tips, maybe?) i dont know if you guys know much about nitrous or what running colder plugs does to your car but in some instances (especially 2 steps colder) your car will have plug fouling issues if you have a stock fuel/timing curve. it just runs too fat for that cold plug. the MSD, fires the ignition 3 times in a row every time it's supposed to spark a given cylinder. (up to 3000 rpm) this makes sure the fuel is getting burned nicely and gives the car a huge increase in throttle response.

another thing about the MSD. you all probably know this but....

it has a 2 step rev limiter, that you can hook to a switch. so i have a rev limiter for launching. i get all this "how you putting that power to the ground" stuff, and there you go. i can set my launch RPM to a switch, launch (adjustable by 100 rpm incriments btw) and flip the switch. voilla~! consistent launches! yay!

not to mention i have no rev limiter (i dont know why, it'll rev to 8000) so i have a max rev limit set at 8000

but all this is just a waste of money~! anywho, seeya guys. i'll stick to talking to people in person or on the phone or else i just come across as an A-Hole

Whoopy for MSD, it's still antiquated like I said.

The main problem with MSD ignition setup is they DO NOT altering anything until after any detonation, spark blow out, etc has already occured. It can't react before things happen but only AFTER they do.

NOTHING is better then a properly tuned chip since it still uses the PCM's full adaptive engine control and wide range of inputs.

you do know that a DIS is a parallel system right? it works WITH the ecu, its not like a blaster coil or any of the old school stuff (6AL etc) here's my opinion:

MSD= the LAST thing you should buy, unless you are running nitrous.

Tune+MSD is better than just a Tune, gains may be minimal, but the features are nice, and i like it. i never did say that it gives my car like a omg50HP or anything but it does help and the car runs very smooth and starts very well. the only downfall, you can hear the thing buzzing when the radio is turned off. that can get annoying.

Tricker,

I ran a 75 shot NX wet kit on my SVT. I know what it can do. I loved it but I hated filling the bottle. Umpteen tons of power and you can put it in in a couple of hours. I ran copper plugs one step colder than stock on the stock ignition and ignition was NEVER an issue. NX solenoid stuck ON one time but I think thats because I wasn't using a bottle heater.

Whatever, just don't say that every one is trying to say run useless mods because we aren't. And Borla? Very few people on here tout the Borla exhaust as being a great performance exhaust. Most of us build our own exhausts to fit.
If it comes to that, I built 3 separate piping sets for my system, two turbo and one N/A system so I feel like I know whats up with it.
I don't think the MSD ignition is bad either. BTW, did you know you can setup a two step limiter with the SCT products?
Don't know the details but they have discussion about it on their forums.

So anyway, I just think all the attitude is unwarranted. Even if someone jumped you, jump them back once and let it drop so that you don't alienate other people online. I don't think you are a bad dude but I think you got on the defensive and should just let it die down.

Oh, and between Nitrous and a built 3L, I'd take a 3L because it is more consistent in the launch since you always have it and you can get really really good at driving it. It isn't as fast but a well built one is about as good as running a 50shot on an svt. Hands down a 75 wet-shot SVT 2.5L will whip all but the bigger turbo motors though. and for about $600.
Having driven, N/A 2.5L SVT, 2.5L SVT with 75shot nitrous, 3L hybrid N/A, and turbo 3L.....I'm qualified in at least having my own opinions.
None of them can compare to a 3L turbo well-tuned running just 10psi.