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Actually, 210hp/254tq, it is shy in both areas. It is also has a lot more NVH (Noise/Vibration/Harshness) than the more modern engines in competing models. The competition is putting out more power and torque smoother and more quietly.
I compared mid-size, base model, truck-based SUV's. The Explorer has an advantage in room over some (The Pathfinder, 4Runner, Durango, and extended versions of the GM's also seat 7). The Explorer's accomodations are an advantage, but completely separate from it's outdated engine.
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The 35 is still going to come up short when first launched (250ft lbs). I'm definitely for the added horsepower, im just saying i don't think the 4.0 has outlived it's usefullness just yet.
on a side note, i like how wikipedia lists the 6.0l v12 (aston martin) as a duratec. I mean, we know it is technically, but don't expect "normal" people to realise it!
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Originally posted by ZoomZoom Diva:
Maybe because it is completely uncompetitive in the modern car market when compared to engines used in peer vehicles.
I obviously agree, its definitely NOT refined enough. It's way too harsh. All reviews on the stang mention the harshness and add that as another reason to stick to the V8.
An engine like that does not belong in a sports car. If they want to continue to run in it the Explorers they need to pull some more ponies out of it and greatly reduce its abrasiveness.
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Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by ZoomZoom Diva:
Maybe because it is completely uncompetitive in the modern car market when compared to engines used in peer vehicles.
I obviously agree, its definitely NOT refined enough. It's way too harsh. All reviews on the stang mention the harshness and add that as another reason to stick to the V8.
An engine like that does not belong in a sports car. If they want to continue to run in it the Explorers they need to pull some more ponies out of it and greatly reduce its abrasiveness.
My opinion says that with the idiots running Ford management, the same engine will probally be there for a long time, with little-no changes. But then, I could be wrong.
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What I don't understand is why Ford will make an engine that is on par with everything else in the market.....never any ground-breaking/industry leading power. Just enough to keep it competitive. 
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Originally posted by hectik:
What I don't understand is why Ford will make an engine that is on par with everything else in the market.....never any ground-breaking/industry leading power. Just enough to keep it competitive.
A few years ago they made a Duratec. You should Wiki it. One of the most power per liter in it's day. They also make these DOHC V8's for Mustangs that are small displacement and make great power as well.
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Originally posted by hectik:
What I don't understand is why Ford will make an engine that is on par with everything else in the market.....never any ground-breaking/industry leading power. Just enough to keep it competitive.
Not the case with the Mustang. 500 HP V-8 is kinda earth shattering to me. There weren't many of those around when Ford announced it.
Seems the formula for success is a bit more complex than most think. They try to overcome the reliability perceptions of American cars, so they produce average engines that last a long time. Keeping a Hi-po power plant together is a bit more complicated, therefore reliability issues, material or design weaknesses will surface sooner in the engine life.
It's a balancing act, I recon. Best way to deal with it is to offer up the typical car, establish the dependability, then offer an engine option for more power (in limited numbers) to keep the enthusiast happy. Sorta, kinda the direction they're heading it looks like... 
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Not the case with the Mustang. 500 HP V-8 is kinda earth shattering to me. There weren't many of those around when Ford announced it.
I saw my first GT500 yesterday, in fact. Took a second to realize what it was...and it wasn't even red.
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by hectik:
What I don't understand is why Ford will make an engine that is on par with everything else in the market.....never any ground-breaking/industry leading power. Just enough to keep it competitive.
A few years ago they made a Duratec. You should Wiki it. One of the most power per liter in it's day. They also make these DOHC V8's for Mustangs that are small displacement and make great power as well.
Are you kidding? The Type-R made 197 HP (SVT made 195)out of a four banger. Not to mention the GSR made 170 HP (regular Duratec made 170) out of its 1.8L. Ford not to mention was still making a HUGE 130 HP out of it's 2 liters. 
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the svt duratec still did hold the record for a couple of years. DO YOU RESEARCH!!! [sorry had to say it  ]
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