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Originally posted by scottd60:
I'm not talking hand drill or dremel...I'm talking modifying the shaft in a milling machine, tapering the intake and output of the TB in a lathe and countersinking the TB plate in a drill press with the proper 100 deg. counter sink not a drill bit like some others have done. Also replacing the screws with 100 deg. flathead S/S screws and cutting them down flush with the back side of the TB shaft. Plus if you are spending 2-3 hours on each TB that is way too much time. Set up on the proper machines can be done easily in half that time with far superior quality work.
The only thing you're doing any different than I am is the boring of the TB inlet and outlet....I use propper machinery I.E. Drill press and correct countersink bits and screws(90 degree in my case)....If i had a lathe i'ld be doing the extra steps you are...i'm a bit limited in that department as i'm just getting started, or trying to at least.
Originally posted by scottd60:
Set up on the proper machines can be done easily in half that time with far superior quality work.
Far superior quality? Have you seen my work as of yet to state something like that? Sorry but i put a lot of time into my work so that the quality is as good as it is. That statement was taken as a bit of a slap in the face, though i'm sure you didn't intend it that way....I'll have pic up tomorrow night...
I understand you're not trying to Knock what i'm doing...but in essence isn't that exactly what you've done?
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Damn, you guys all suck. I'm lost on what to do now. 
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For those that were wondering i've added SE flow data to this thread
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99 SVT # 1571 - 175 HP\153 TQ 14.999-91.88
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Josh, no intent to hijack your thread or anything - I'm sure your TBs will be a good offer to CEGers.
If you had no intent to hijack maybe you should have just kept your fingers off the keyboard then.
Originally posted by scottd60:
My way is better but i'm too lazy to offer my own group buy so I'll screw someone else's over while I wait.quote]
Sure.. machines can offer much easier repeatability but with skill and dilligence that pole has his will flow with the best of them. If he wants to spend 2-3 hours a peice and he thinks that's profitable to him then make your own group buy for cheaper and then everyone will buy yours... until then get your TB's flowed and prove they are better or keep your mouth shut.
Less pretty pictures and more tech.
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Originally posted by WRX Barge:
...until then get your TB's flowed and prove they are better or keep your mouth shut.
Unnecessary. 
Originally posted by WRX Barge:
If you had no intent to hijack maybe you should have just kept your fingers off the keyboard then.
Scott was chiming in, I offered my opinion on an alternative that was posted. Two CEGers offering their services. I'm certain both Josh and Scott will offer top notch products.
I'll bow out of Josh's thread. Apologies to Josh if he found my posts disrespectful in any way.
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I'll post pics tomorrow and people can then decide if machine vs hand are comparable...untill then i'm done in here.
Like i said I know Scott's intention was not to bash my product, however the words he chose did just that, i'm a bit disapointed in it is all...
Scott, the bore and plate size of your SVT TB's have not been altered correct? still stock 60mm?
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The fact of the matter is that i'm certain pole's work will be vastly superior to that which is obtainable by most CEG'ers doing it themselves, and thus well worth the asking price.  Matt
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Originally posted by volfan98:
The fact of the matter is that i'm certain pole's work will be vastly superior to that which is obtainable by most CEG'ers doing it themselves, and thus well worth the asking price.
Matt
I know there is a ton of people on here that have Pole's motor mounts and they can vouch for him, but i've seen the TB product. Top notch by all means. You WILL NOT be disappointed.
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Originally posted by Pole120:
I'll post pics tomorrow and people can then decide if machine vs hand are comparable...untill then i'm done in here.
Like i said I know Scott's intention was not to bash my product, however the words he chose did just that, i'm a bit disapointed in it is all...
Scott, the bore and plate size of your SVT TB's have not been altered correct? still stock 60mm?
Josh,
I apologize if my wording was taken as a bash...sometimes things are taken or come out differently then they are meant. I'm sure your work will be quite good and like said much better then the typical CEG'er. My point was only to make that machining the bore vs. hand sanding/polishing it is nearly impossible to get the same results and very time consuming nothing more. With the minimal results you get from this mod it really won't make that much of a difference on a mildly modded car so really isn't that big of a deal.
I would recommend going to 100 deg countersink/flathead screws. You will like the results much better...less invasive to the TB shaft and better hold on the thin .062" TB plate 
No, I don't change the bore & plate diameter�I have been toying with it but it is way more work then it's worth. Bradness discovered that you can open up a 60mm SVT to about 62mm safely without breaking into the bearing wells (why the one in the pic is now a 67mm paper weight  ). Then you need to make a new pate and you have to get the plate just right or they will not idle correctly�its lots of work in my opinion you are better off using a mustang 65mm TB if you need bigger. The optimized 60mm with the improved flow numbers is plenty for the majority.
Sorry again didn't mean any disrespect�your service and workmanship is a valued asset her on CEG.
Keep up the good work,
-Scott
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Originally posted by scottd60:
I would recommend going to 100 deg countersink/flathead screws. You will like the results much better...less invasive to the TB shaft and better hold on the thin .062" TB plate
I've noticed this, and was looking into a 90degree 30%reduced height fastener, but can only locate them in standard thread, no metric.
In addition i was only able to locate standard thread for 100 degree screws.
So in both cases(90 or 100 degree) i'm stuck with what i've got at the moment untill i can locate a supplier for either of the two options, it works well but i am on the lookout for another method.
99 SE V6\5spd - 156 HP\157 TQ 15.166-90.84
Totaled 02/12/06
99 SVT # 1571 - 175 HP\153 TQ 14.999-91.88
Born 3/24/99 Reborn 3/18/06
Pietenpol Racing Technologies project vehicle
90 Festiva L 5spd, Blue(not for long), 103k
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