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#1564846 05/05/06 04:22 AM
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I finally needed to replace my tires. They were Dayton Daytona ZR tires. They lasted 60,000 miles even though they started life when the car had excessive negative front camber causing some mild cupping and inside edge wear.

At about 25,000 miles I had the tires "flipped" to help even out the wear. The tire shop told me I was crazy to do so and I told them they were crazy if they thought I didn't know what I was doing.

Probably around 35,000 miles (I don't remember off the top of my head), I installed camber kits along with some younger 99 SVT front and rear struts.

I have rotated them consistantly at 5,000 to 6,000 miles.

Late last week I came out of the dentists office to see I had a low left front tire. Low enough to see it needed attention, but not low enough to keep from driving on it. The tire shop was nearby so I drove right over. They found a nail that was too close to the sidewall to repair.

There was still enough tread left that I probably could have gone another 5,000 miles or more before hitting the wear bars, but with one tire gone, it was just time to replace the set.

Since the Daytons had done so well, that is what I wanted to replace them with.

Dayton is a Bridgestone brand, along with Firestone and Fuzion. Both the old set and the new set have "made in Japan" molded into the sidewall. When the Bridgestone rep would call on me at the dealerships, I asked about Dayton tires. His response is that Bridgestone tightly controlled the Dayton brand, that it was more similar in engineering and production to Bridgestone than it is to Firestone.

The new set has been reengineered. It more resembles the Bridgestone RE750 and looks to have an identical tread pattern to the Fuzion ZRi. Although the sales rep said that it is identical to the RE750 except for a slightly revised tread pattern, a study of the specs shows that isn't quite the case. The RE750 has a little longer treadwaer rating (340 compared to 320) and a traction rating af AA instead of A. I suspect that it may use the same carcus, but have a slightly different tread compound and maybe some other subtle differences. He claimed that the Fuzion was identical except for the name.

Anyway, with about 200 miles on them so far, they feel great. They are also very quiet compared to the old ones with some light chop wear and near the end of the tread life.

Based on the results I had with the last set as well as my knowledge of Bridgestone and Dayton, I would most certainly recommed them. I have 225/50R16 Z rated (W) tires on my 98 E0 SVT.

One last comment. They may not be the best tire for track use, but they certainly are an underrated (misunderstood) great street tire. I'm not an easy driver when I carve canyon roads, and I never found the limits on the old set.


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Originally posted by Big Jim:
They found a nail that was too close to the sidewall to repair.



There is a clear line on tires where the tread ends and the sidewall begins. If it's on the tread, it can be repaired (unless it was a long nail, went through at an angle and damage the inside of the tire's side wall).
There is no 'too close to the sidewall'. I have repaired (safely and correctly) tires for people a number of times that were told at other shops that the tire could not be repaired. Tire repairs aren't exactly the bread and butter for tire shops, and patching a hole close to the sidewall is more difficult so it's understandble that most shops don't want to do it.

Though of course arguing with a shop may not get them to repair it, but maybe just asking them to try to repair it and you're ok with it if it fails will work. Just for future reference.

And although patches or plug-patches are better than plugs, you can easily/cheapily plug a tire yourself if you want. A plug will usually hold up pretty good.





If the daytons are like fuzion zri's (and they appear to be the same), then I can't believe the mileage you got from them, especially if you drive your car semi-hard. You said you never found the limit on the old set, so I reckon you don't drive quite as hard as some of us, but that is still great mileage.

They sound like a great deal, especially if you get them for what fuzions cost or less.


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I have repaired many tires as well as been a a position responsible for the quality of the repairs performed in a shop.

If you try to patch a tire that has a nail where part of the patch gets sidewall flex, it is likely to fail. Anyway, although the nail was in the tread area, it was within a half inch of the sidewall, and too close for comfort for me. It was a large nail as well.

I'm sure that part of the long treadwear came from finally installing the campber kits, but they were doing very well even before. The longest I got before was 40,000 miles. Less than that on the BFG KDWS pieces of crap that had tread seperation. Three out of four of the original tires had tread seperation before the tire was anywhere near worn out. The original Goodyear Eagle GS-C wore like butter.

I forgot to mention that the new tires have a better rim guard than the old ones.


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Originally posted by Big Jim:
...At about 25,000 miles I had the tires "flipped" to help even out the wear. The tire shop told me I was crazy to do so and I told them they were crazy if they thought I didn't know what I was doing.
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I take it these were multi-directional as opposed to uni-directional tires. With uni-directional tires, you would have really bad traction driving during rain if you did not have them going in the "arrowed" direction.


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There are two ways a tire can be treaded that restrict mounting. One is a directional tire. Directional tires are made that way to evict water better. The Goodyear Aquatred was a big commercial hit that familiarized people with the concept.


These tires can be mounted on the rim either way: but you need two each way. Once mounted, they only rotate the correct direction on one side of the car. To even out wear across the tread on directional (or plain-jane) tires, you have to "flip" them on the rims, so they can run on the other side of the car. That's what Jim was doing, and it maintains directionality.



The other kind is an asymmetric tire. These usually have less void on one side, to give more rubber on the highly-loaded outer edge. The very popular (for ST solo) Azenis 615 is one of these.



These must be mounted one way on the wheel, so that the outside is, well, outside. They may then be rotated freely around the car: unless they are also directional!

Some tires are both asymmetric and directional. This means you have to get left and right tires, and they're stuck on that side of the car. You can rotate them, but then you have the tire running with the tread "backwards" from it's design: not in rotation, (there's no reason to do that) but in cornering.


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I think I figured out what Big Jim did now even if it were unidirectional tires. Remove tire (not rim) from Passenger side and install on Driver side rim (with arrow pointing in the forward direction) and remove tire (not rim) from Driver side and install in Passenger side rim (once gain with arrow pointing in the forward direction). The brand name/markings will not be visible now as it will be on the inside edge of the rim. Tires will still be rolling forward with the arrows and the water will still be "pushed" out correctly. Thanks for the Aquatred picture .


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Originally posted by Tony2005:
The brand name/markings will not be visible now as it will be on the inside edge of the rim.



The tires are directional, and as such, have brand name on both sides. But you got the idea right of what he did.

And Jim, obviously without seeing the puncture, I can't say if I would have repaired it, but like you said, if the area was going to flex it would be bad to repair it. I didn't know your experience with tire repairs, just didn't want a tire shop feeding you a line.


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Thanks, I appreciate that. This is a helpful group. Let's just say that I don't want a questionable tire repair just in case I feel like I have an opportunity and desire to exceede tripple digits.

To flip the tires, I had them dismounted and remounted so that the tires that were on the left side of the car went to the right side of the car and visa versa while still continuing with the same rotational orientation. The picture of the aquatred tire is a good example as the tread does resemble the Dayton Daytona ZR, more so the old design. The new design has more shoulder and less center.


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