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according to the wiring schematics the wire from the ignition switch to the starter relay is direct and doesn't interfacce with any other systems.
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ok, here is the deal ... from what I can tell PATs is only used upon startup, the car will run once started without a PATs key. What I also found out was you can start the car with a non-PATs key if you do it soon enough after starting the car with the PATs key.
with the PATs key the led will go solid for about 3 seconds then turn off when the ignition is turned to the run position, then the car starts normally.
with out a PATs key the led wil blink rapidy and the car will not start after runign the key into the run postion, like I heard my fuel pump prime but that was cut off then the PATs kicked in, the car then acts like it has a dead battery kinda, the lights and all come on but it doesn't start
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Brian,
Thanks for checking all of that. I just don't know what is wrong, and can't think about it any more. It's just freaking me out.
I will post what the Ford dealer says it is.
If it is too much $$ and/ or I can't fix it myself, I guess we are done with the Contour. I love the car and always have, but I just can't keep putting $$ into it. I know it will probably need suspension work sometime soon... there seems to be always something.
My wife's uncle has some sort of Pontiac he would let us have cheap, I think it only needs a battery.
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A 'mean tour' it has been.  I've been keeping track of this topic, hoping each day you'd resolve the issues ...
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I just hope it's not PCM related. I think the PATs it built into the PCM, maybe a voltage missing or ground problem would be nice, but from what I've been reading PCM replacement and a key reprogramming unless somehow they r able to get the key coding out of the old PCM which the software/equipment they use should be able to do. If it's the PATS system. Maybe a break in the RF return to the PCM.
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Originally posted by jd28:
I just hope it's not PCM related. I think the PATs it built into the PCM, maybe a voltage missing or ground problem would be nice, but from what I've been reading PCM replacement and a key reprogramming unless somehow they r able to get the key coding out of the old PCM which the software/equipment they use should be able to do. If it's the PATS system. Maybe a break in the RF return to the PCM.
the 98 had PATs external to the PCM so you could swap the PCM and not need to have the keys programmed, after 98 it was move to be internal to the PCM
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Originally posted by jd28:
I just hope it's not PCM related. I think the PATs it built into the PCM, maybe a voltage missing or ground problem would be nice, but from what I've been reading PCM replacement and a key reprogramming unless somehow they r able to get the key coding out of the old PCM which the software/equipment they use should be able to do. If it's the PATS system. Maybe a break in the RF return to the PCM.
Let's hope for something small. I'm afraid that the shyster dealership it is at, there is no such thing as a small simple problem.
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Originally posted by Rouar:
A 'mean tour' it has been. I've been keeping track of this topic, hoping each day you'd resolve the issues ...
Yeah, it has been a little unhappy lately! Thanks for your good vibes!
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Originally posted by jd28:
I just hope it's not PCM related. I think the PATs it built into the PCM, maybe a voltage missing or ground problem would be nice, but from what I've been reading PCM replacement and a key reprogramming unless somehow they r able to get the key coding out of the old PCM which the software/equipment they use should be able to do. If it's the PATS system. Maybe a break in the RF return to the PCM.
They just called. They are saying that my PCM needs to be replaced -- $800. The tech also feels there may be a wiring harness problem, but can't tell for sure until the computer is replaced.
What do I do? Can I replace the computer? J-yard? Bill? ($280 plus core) Can I do it myself?
**EDIT** I just called him back. He said that they know there is some sort of wiring problem because they couldn't even get connected to the computer until they wiggled some wires around... So once replace the computer, they can quickly narrow down the bad wire/short/ connector etc. that is bad. Might be $100 - 200 additional.
Any ideas? I probably already owe them $100 for the diagnosis.
For the $1000 they want, that might be it for my Contour. If we knew it would just be the $1000 we would probably do it. It's the iffy-ness of $800 now and then we can figure out the other problem. Maybe $100 but maybe... $800?
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hold on a minute, if they know there is a wiring problem why in the hell would they still need to change the PCM  I would tell them to [censored] replacing the PCM and have them fix the wiring, if they got it to work that has to mean they are close to the problem spot
otherwise verify that you have external PATs and find a PCM in a junk yard and replace at a fraction of the cost, they seem to run about $75 to $100 and I was looking at a SVT one ...
edit: sorry I am a bit ticked as I think about this more, how in the hell can they say that you need a new PCM if it only works when they move some wires around, I mean hello that tells me there is a problem with the wiring not necassary the PCM. get the wiring to work first then test the PCM, [censored] morons ... of course the PCM will not work it there is a wiring problem 
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