Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications 3.0L Duratec Question about girdle bolts...

Alright, I'll try to explain this best I can. I finally started to put the engine back together (03' Taurus) and everything is good so far, but I noticed some bolts I ordered are different from those I removed from the engine.

This first picture shows the difference in bolts, one is studed and the new one I ordered isn't.


The thing is though, if memory serves me right, the pickup bracket is secured on to one of the holes where one of these bolts would go.


I don't remember exactly, if the pickup bracket went onto one of the mainbolt studs, then a nut secured the bracket to it or not. And the new bolts, don't even have the stud on them, and these are the correct bolts according to the FAQ (yes, I'm one of few who have atually read them) and according to Bill J. (I'm currently trying to find a service cd for an 02'/03')
Anyways, I need a way to secure the pickup bracket, and I didn't know if I was suppose to just attatch the bolt over the bracket and torque it or not. (honestly, that doesnt sound right to me)
So, if any of ya have a hint or wrench to knock some sense into the back of my head for me, I'd appreciate it.

Read this thread!



Studs/Bolts
Qty 4 YL8Z-6345-AA = $4.97 each (9-10-11-12 in diagram)
Qty 4 YL8Z-6345-BA = $5.87 each (5-6-7-8 in diagram)
Qty 4 F5RZ-6345-D = $3.57 each (13-14-15-16 in diagram)
Qty 5 F5RZ-6345-C = $2.57 each (1-2-3-4-17 in diagram)
Qty 5 F5RZ-6345-E = $5.08 each (18-19-20-21-22 in diagram) - sold in package of 2

Nuts (hold windage tray/oil pickup tube in place)
If you have an 01+ block already, these nuts can be reused!
Qty 4 W701542S309 = $5.05 each - (sold in packs of 6)
Qty 4 W701582S309 = $1.13 each

Then why in the Stickies does it say...
Lower cylinder block retaining bolts:
F5RZ-6345-C need 4
F5RZ-6345-D need 8
F5RZ-6345-E need 5
F6DZ-6345-CA need 5

And When I asked Bill J for all the girdle bolts he sent me those exact part #'s?

I guess thats where part of my confusion is. Thanks for the last post though.

I updated my previous post with the correct information ... please reread. I just finished doing this not on one, not two, but three times (my "race" block, DanG's & my current 3L) ... I'm pretty sure I have the right #'s

Haha...yea. Thanks for the post. Got em' ordered. Appreciate it!

You ordered the non-revised studs.

All Duratec engines require the revised studs to use the revised (YL8Z) oil pickup and windage tray. (All 01+ engines come with these revisions)

There are several differences in the revised/non-revised windage trays/bolts/oil pump pickups.

The revised tray uses 4 center studs as well as 4 outside studs that are similar to the old style, but actually have the bolt portion of the studd the same thickness as the bolt portion of the center studs. This allows the windage tray to mount evenly at 8 points. The pickup tube is also different since it mounts to one of the center studs in the revised design. Also, the Escape pickup is the one you want to use for the revised tray. If you buy or try to use the taurus/sable pickup for the revised tray, it will not fit the oil pan due to the pickup being set deeper into the pan on those vehicles.

The non-revised tray uses 5 small studs on the outer portion of the girdle (I refer to them as the secondary main studs). The oil pump pickup mounts to one of these studs on the old style. This is the style we have on all contours and is fine for re-use if you don't want to spend the additional money to buy a new pickup tube if you bought a taurus motor in lieu of an Escape motor.

Rick