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Originally posted by Instigator:
trevor (fastcougar) said that with later MTX-75's (2001-2002) i didnt need to worry about the pinion gear.
i dont know if it brings anything else up, but when my dad and i pushed the car in and out of the driveway, it was EXTREMELY difficult. like it took four of us to push the car out of the driveway and into the garage, and all of us were trying really hard to push it.
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I am not positive but i would "guess" that all the MTX75's would need to have the pinion gear replaced along with the ring gear. 
I am thinking you need to crack that casing back open and see if you have messed up either the ring or pinion gears. And if not...put the stock ring gear back in it! The Zetec FD doesn't really do that much good...your not gonna have traction either way. You'll just be shiftin' gears a little faster 
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Originally posted by 99cougar:
Originally posted by Instigator:
trevor (fastcougar) said that with later MTX-75's (2001-2002) i didnt need to worry about the pinion gear.
i dont know if it brings anything else up, but when my dad and i pushed the car in and out of the driveway, it was EXTREMELY difficult. like it took four of us to push the car out of the driveway and into the garage, and all of us were trying really hard to push it.
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I am not positive but i would "guess" that all the MTX75's would need to have the pinion gear replaced along with the ring gear.
I am thinking you need to crack that casing back open and see if you have messed up either the ring or pinion gears. And if not...put the stock ring gear back in it! The Zetec FD doesn't really do that much good...your not gonna have traction either way. You'll just be shiftin' gears a little faster
Umm YEAH! I can't see any way for the ring gear from a the zetec (3.83:1 IIRC) to mate up to the teeth on the 4.06:1 pinion gear!
Wow. Well as long as you have your old FD, just crack it back open and swap out the ring gear to the one that was designed for that pinion.
I suppose if you didn't drive it anywhere it may be okay still but in the worst case, you may need a new ring and pinion set.
You never mentioned this before  Also, this may be why everything on your clutch looked just fine.
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Originally posted by Instigator:
trevor (fastcougar) said that with later MTX-75's (2001-2002) i didnt need to worry about the pinion gear.
....is the wrong answer!!!!On ANY FDR change on an MTX75 you MUST change the pinion/pinion shaft assy when you do an FDR change......Which again is why I say the parts list info on the transaxle site is a load of bunk and is all wrong. Anyone following it will get in deep s**t trying to do an FDR change....period!!!
The owner needs to establish if his trans has a '2 piece' or '3 Piece' output shaft assy. Only then can it be established the route he must go to effect a ratio change.This is complex s**t, if you have an early 2
piece shaft then it's even more complex and,in most
cases, beyond the ability of the average home DIY'er......I've done it a 100 times and trust me, without a shop and the know how on what parts can be mixed & matched and those that can't you have no chance of getting it right. Just my 2 cents for the masses!
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Originally posted by 99cougar:
I am not positive but i would "guess" that all the MTX75's would need to have the pinion gear replaced along with the ring gear.
[TH rant]...well no s**t!...must be rocket science to 'count' ring gear teeth and use your brain to work out that both the diff and output shaft with the pinion are in FIXED POSITIONS in the case and a ratio change MUST have both the ring gear AND the new output shaft with pinion...I'd read the Ford CD if I were you!!!
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thats what i figured. i guess that explains why it took 4 people to push the car in and out of the driveway. and i guess this explains why the car wouldnt move when i tried to drive it. thanks guys
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[TH]...now we can guess what damage has been done to the FDR gear by taking the vehicle weght on gear teeth that are mis-matched!!!....I'd do a LOT more research before you attempt an FDR change....Read a lot more before you pick up wrenches!!!FWIW we ALWAYS do 'meshing checks' on a special..'open sided' dummy set of cases in these situations.....and the part # list for such a conversion is...VAST!...so don't trust your dealer/parts dept to know what 'bits' you need...they won't!!!!!
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dont worry, im about to pu the stock 4.06 back on there. hopefully this problem will be solved.
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I don't know that this is your best solution at this point. You really need to inspect your pinion to verify any damage done when pushing the car around. Basically you were in effect stripping one of the gears to get the car to movbe with unequal tooth count pieces. My guess is that you should probably look into replacing the entire pinion/FD assembly with either the zetec as you originally wanted or the stock 4.06 ratio and not reuse an abused part in your formula. Do you really want to invest the time and effort into tearing down the car again if you break something in the trans because you didn't replace it?
Speaking as someone who has pulled and reinstalled engines numerous times in a forced induction contour, I surely wouldn't want that. My time is worth a lot more than the couple hundred the new parts will cost. Take it as an expensive lesson learned and go for it the right way this time.
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Originally posted by todras:
[TH]...now we can guess what damage has been done to the FDR gear by taking the vehicle weght on gear teeth that are mis-matched!!!....I'd do a LOT more research before you attempt an FDR change....Read a lot more before you pick up wrenches!!!FWIW we ALWAYS do 'meshing checks' on a special..'open sided' dummy set of cases in these situations.....and the part # list for such a conversion is...VAST!...so don't trust your dealer/parts dept to know what 'bits' you need...they won't!!!!!
Wow, pretty passionate about your stance? I guess not everyone was born with a wrench in their hand, or had to learn the hard way. I don't know Instigator's financial situation, but maybe he isn't worried about this whole ordeal? I never heard him b!tch about people telling him the wrong info, or that he couldn't afford to do things right. Looks like he gave it a shot, and some things didn't work out. Maybe give him a break?
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Mark,
Terry's real point is that you need to research and learn/read for yourself and not take "common" knowledge at face value. Basically if you get free advice, you get what you pay for. Terry's harping on this instance as just another in a line of mishaps, etc that befall alot of the DIYers because there is so much conflicting info out there and they don't take the time to do their own research and learning. Yes mistakes happen and yes we've all made them, but when you get the chance to help others hopefully learn by telling them they need to read, etc, you've gotta take the opportunity even if it comes across as kicking you while you're down. Shoot, I've made many costly and easily avoidable mistakes on my car and I've taken crap for it and gotten sympathy for it, no different here.
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