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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
with no ill effects that i can tell...Redline still gets my approval till science tells me other wise.
Lupe
....now what's with the 'science' comment?,lab tests have been posted way back between this and 'honey' and as far as I'm aware Redline have not run the product throu the test rig used for spec WSD-M2C200-C....so it's the redline that has no science or testing to back it up!.....
BUNK!!!!!
If you actually took the time to read my previous posts, im going to be sending a sample of my transfluid to BlackStone Labs for there analysis testing. As well as run a fresh fill for another 30,000 miles....Real world testing is the best thing im going to get to actaul scientific proof...so before you spout out at the mouth like you always do, why don't you take a deep breath and relax.....Your always so quick to jump down peoples throats and get hostile when YOU don't understand what they mean.
And if it blows becuse of the MTL then it does...atleast i'll know for a fact...On top of that its not like i cannot replace it. For knowledge, i'll be more than happy to be the gunie pig so that others can have a better understanding.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with MTL....But point is...I have not....atleast not yet....and when i drain it, and send the sample in, ill have a better understanding...Till then....Bite Me.
Lupe
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Well I have SF's MTL-R in my car. Smooth as butter and a lot better quality & protection then Ford "honey."
A lot cheaper then getting raped by the dealer as well.
The guy that owns Specialty Formulations is a regular contributor at www.bobistheoilguy.com and is highly regarded there. His screen name is MolaKule. I would not hesitate to buy any of his products. Hang out there a little and I'm sure you will be impressed by him as well.
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
with no ill effects that i can tell...Redline still gets my approval till science tells me other wise.
Lupe
....now what's with the 'science' comment?,lab tests have been posted way back between this and 'honey' and as far as I'm aware Redline have not run the product throu the test rig used for spec WSD-M2C200-C....so it's the redline that has no science or testing to back it up!.....
BUNK!!!!!
As much as I respect Terry, I think he is a little out on a limb here. His results may have used science, but it didn't follow any scientific process. His test of comparing the lab analysis of virgin Ford Honey to virgin RedLine MTL and showing that the two products are different didn't resolve anything. An analysis of fluid from one of the transmissions that had evidence of fluid failure would have been MUCH more meaningful.
As for RedLine MTL, it should have worked but didn't. I certaily won't be using it until RedLine does something to redeem itself. Since I don't expect that to happen, I guess that means no MTL for me.
But I'll climb off this soap box. Fight it out among yourselves.
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Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with MTL....But point is...I have not....atleast not yet....and when i drain it, and send the sample in, ill have a better understanding...Till then....Bite Me.
Lupe
I've never used MTL so I don't know what you're talking about. The trans in my sig is not mine. 
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...my 10cents worth!
.........the logic behind testing a used trans oil
sample is not my way of thinking.My logic dictates
that if I wanted to try a 'Brand X' lube I would carry
out checks before I put it in the trans.The baseline
spec is the Ford WSD-M2C200-C for both
life,performance,component wear,shift speeds etc
already exists.I think we can take it as a given that
the Motorcraft lube(made by Castrol) has meet the test
specs.I'd be more inclined ,in the absence of a 'Brand
X' lube without the Ford spec/test results,to do a
chem/lab analysis and at least check if the 'numbers'
were even close...which I did.I can't subscribe to a
test proceedure that just puts a Brand X lube in the
trans then does the analysis on a failed trans
lube.Maybe you think it's backwards but with some
'known' info Re Ford test spec,lab tests why would you
put anything that doesn't match/come close to those
results in,it's the obvious 'start point',why ignore
it??
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with MTL....But point is...I have not....atleast not yet....and when i drain it, and send the sample in, ill have a better understanding...Till then....Bite Me.
Lupe
I've never used MTL so I don't know what you're talking about. The trans in my sig is not mine.
Yeah, it's mine 
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This "Honey" was called nothing more then glorified 40W engine oil. Plus it is made by Castrol which calls its synthetic products synthetic because of a loophole in the classification. It really does not make full synthetic products at all. (not conjecture but proven fact however that does not seem to matter who most ignorant people posting here) Also its "so-called" synthetics have a high ash content and are prone to turning acidic. (same facts)
Specialty Formulations has posted countless tests of its product (again FACT) by both themselves and had results posted by other members. (like Jim said bobistheoilguy is the bible of fluids!)
This is all fact and not some blind and baseless rantings of short sighted individuals.
If you wanted to use Terry's logic then why would you ever use anything but Mercon ATF in your transmission. It was the original spec and the Ford engineers that designed the tranny could NEVER be wrong about anything. It's not like the transmission needed to be changed over a dozen times because of glaring flaws in its engineering and design right??? Our syncros, blocker rings, differential, and such parts are all well designed and reliable right? So of course they spec'd the correct fluid. Get a clue folks. He is far from a genius and even further from infallible regardless of how badly his lap dogs keep kissing his ass. This is exactly the problem with this site. A handful of people keep proving these ignorantly set boundaries as wrong yet people can't even see the forest through the trees.
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...demon has become personal and abusive AGAIN!...Why the attitude?....why is my 10 cents worth any better or worse than HIS?...got an ego problem buddy...bigtime. The
reference to castrol is only on the Syntec engine oil lubes..if someone can disproove with tests and data that the 'honey' is not what Castrol & Ford think it is/should be then I carry it forward,if not then I stand by the Ford specs ....until I see a 'Brand X' lubes that meets them!
Why don't you just present the Ford spec WSD-M2C200-C,to his aftermarket lube supplier and have them run the tests per Ford and post the results...That would be proof that a 'Brad X' lube fits the spec...and he knows as well as I do ATF was deleted as the lube around 99/2000 as the current Ford Lube Chart shows all MTX's back to 95 take honey,as do the IB5's
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
This "Honey" was called nothing more then glorified 40W engine oil. Plus it is made by Castrol which calls its synthetic products synthetic because of a loophole in the classification. It really does not make full synthetic products at all. (not conjecture but proven fact however that does not seem to matter who most ignorant people posting here) Also its "so-called" synthetics have a high ash content and are prone to turning acidic. (same facts)
Specialty Formulations has posted countless tests of its product (again FACT) by both themselves and had results posted by other members. (like Jim said bobistheoilguy is the bible of fluids!)
This is all fact and not some blind and baseless rantings of short sighted individuals.
If you wanted to use Terry's logic then why would you ever use anything but Mercon ATF in your transmission. It was the original spec and the Ford engineers that designed the tranny could NEVER be wrong about anything. It's not like the transmission needed to be changed over a dozen times because of glaring flaws in its engineering and design right??? Our syncros, blocker rings, differential, and such parts are all well designed and reliable right? So of course they spec'd the correct fluid. Get a clue folks. He is far from a genius and even further from infallible regardless of how badly his lap dogs keep kissing his ass. This is exactly the problem with this site. A handful of people keep proving these ignorantly set boundaries as wrong yet people can't even see the forest through the trees.
And again you call us ignorant etc...and want us to listen to YOUR opinion. Where'd you get the loophole classification information from!? Where are your credentials?! Post your degree and work experience here and maybe some of us will listen to you. Who has proven anything in this!? Have you...you are posting your opinion without links to information and are expecting us to listen. I defend TH because I know him off the boards. I know his work and I know his talents. While you have done a lot for the contour community...I don't know a damn thing about you besides the fact that you post information here. Show us a little more proof besides you ranting and maybe we'll listen... 
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Hard to believe we are getting into the same debate all over again...  But for what its worth I now have 95k+ miles on my stock diff and tranny with the last 65k mi of that being run on MTL with absolutely no problems and I certainly do not take it easy on my car. Both times I have flushed the MTL, it smelled and looked very clean. Just my experience, nothing more...
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