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well they came in..thanks TR Michelin Pilot Sport 225/45ZR17 I dont think anyone has these on their cars  I'm the first    All I need now is spring 
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
LOL..what are those?
Come on Haroon. KDW-2 baby!
Hopefully my next tire.
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According to Tirerack, KDW2s are about $55 less each and outperforms and last longer than the PSs.
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Originally posted by 2b no SVT Pete:
According to Tirerack, KDW2s are about $55 less each and outperforms and last longer than the PSs.
Thats not saying much. There are tons of tires with better performance for less than the PS.
No offense, you like those PSs its your money. Spend it how you please!
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Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
Originally posted by 2b no SVT Pete:
According to Tirerack, KDW2s are about $55 less each and outperforms and last longer than the PSs.
Thats not saying much. There are tons of tires with better performance for less than the PS.
No offense, you like those PSs its your money. Spend it how you please!
I like it because I have PS A/S on my stockers currently..I love PS and I'd vow to get them for my rims
and the KDW2's are Y-rated..Mine are Z..really isnt a huge difference but i guess it was persnoal preference
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Originally posted by 2b no SVT Pete:
According to Tirerack, KDW2s are about $55 less each and outperforms and last longer than the PSs.
The KDW2 can only outperform the PS in the wet. In dry, the PS is much more of a competitor of the KD, BF Goodrich's top performing dry tire. The KDW2 gives up a lot of dry grip in favor of wet and treadlife.
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Personal preference eh?
I prefer less cost and better performing.
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
and the KDW2's are Y-rated..Mine are Z..really isnt a huge difference but i guess it was persnoal preference
What difference would it make if your never gonna see those speeds anyway?
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Originally posted by Manch-VegasSVT:
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
and the KDW2's are Y-rated..Mine are Z..really isnt a huge difference but i guess it was persnoal preference
What difference would it make if your never gonna see those speeds anyway?
Exactly! People get oo caught up in the "Z-rated" stuff.
I agree though, the KDW2s are a bit on the loud side.
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Originally posted by 2b no SVT Pete:
Originally posted by Manch-VegasSVT:
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
and the KDW2's are Y-rated..Mine are Z..really isnt a huge difference but i guess it was persnoal preference
What difference would it make if your never gonna see those speeds anyway?
Exactly! People get oo caught up in the "Z-rated" stuff.
I agree though, the KDW2s are a bit on the loud side.
Z rating: under the older system introduced 1999 spec on tires above 149mph
Y rating: newer system, tire spec at 186mph
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Originally posted by gotapex:
Z rating: under the older system introduced 1999 spec on tires above 149mph
Y rating: newer system, tire spec at 186mph
(Y) rating: newer system, tire spec at >186mph
And your point is? 
I was agreeing with the Manch's statement below:
Originally posted by Manch-VegasSVT:
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
and the KDW2's are Y-rated..Mine are Z..really isnt a huge difference but i guess it was persnoal preference
What difference would it make if your never gonna see those speeds anyway?
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He was probably clarifying the common misconception that Z-rated tires are the highest performing. 
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yea it really wasnt a big deal on the speed rating seeing as I'm never gonna ever go that fast in my car..i was sold ever since my all season PS so now I got these for my summer rims 
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Man you really had A LOT better options...
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as I said before, I have these on my stockers  I love them so I decided to get the summer tire version of it.. 'nuff said  
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You can't go wrong with a Michelin Tire. I have had almost every brand of tire and I am sold on Michelin. You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
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Originally posted by Sivart:
You can't go wrong with a Michelin Tire. I have had almost every brand of tire and I am sold on Michelin. You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
I suppose. My personal experience with Michlins (a few months ago on my Honda Accord EX coupe): They suck. Worst suckage of all has been Goodyear... In my experience. GY will never find their way onto my cars ever again.
I've had good luck with BFG, Yoks, and Khumo is OK for a cheap-o tire.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Sivart:
You can't go wrong with a Michelin Tire. I have had almost every brand of tire and I am sold on Michelin. You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
I suppose. My personal experience with Michlins (a few months ago on my Honda Accord EX coupe): They suck. Worst suckage of all has been Goodyear... In my experience. GY will never find their way onto my cars ever again.
I've had good luck with BFG, Yoks, and Khumo is OK for a cheap-o tire.
Unfortunately, the manufacturer tells you little. Every manufacturer makes good tires and bad. Michelin makes the awesome Pilot Sport Cup & PS2, as well as really poorly performing ones like the MX4.
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Originally posted by gotapex:
Michelin makes the awesome Pilot Sport Cup & PS2, as well as really poorly performing ones like the MX4.
agreed..my parents just got the MXV4's for the Lexus..those tires wear like a mother 
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Originally posted by Sivart:
You can't go wrong with a Michelin Tire. I have had almost every brand of tire and I am sold on Michelin. You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
No, it doesn't come down to personal preference. This isn't the color of the car, it's a physical component that has a certain job to do, and you can judge it by how well it does it's job. I'm having trouble understanding how you could even think that.
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goonz your not the first, PhatSVT had them on his SVT #180
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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
goonz your not the first, PhatSVT had them on his SVT #180
i need pics of this SVT #180 LOL
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Originally posted by Sivart:
You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
No. It comes down to how the tire performs, cost, and quality. Things that can be objectively measured.
And I agree, every company makes bad and good tires.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by Sivart:
You can argue cost and all of the other factors, but it comes down to personal prefrence, and personal experience.
No. It comes down to how the tire performs, cost, and quality. Things that can be objectively measured.
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Sivart, you are incorrect - see Kremit and AutoX's replies. It's not subjective like what looks good.
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Personal preference still does play a part in performance though. For instance, some may prefer to sacrifice a bit of ultimate grip for a smoother, more progressive breakaway characteristic. This would lead someone to choose the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup over the Yokohama Advan A048. To some, dry weather grip is king. To others, wet weather or snow is a consideration. There's also breakaway characteristics, treadwear, price, heat resistance (ahem, Falken Azenis), appearance, warranty, and other qualities. Every tire is a compromise. It's just a matter of picking the best one for your car and your preferences for your pocketbook.
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
goonz your not the first, PhatSVT had them on his SVT #180
i need pics of this SVT #180 LOL
check it
Scroll Down to the T-red Lowered SVT trust me you will know which one im talking about
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i cant see his tires but ok...i have a better pic of his car  
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Yuppers Used to be supercharged....
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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Yuppers Used to be supercharged....
ahh the old days
what happened to it now?
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Im not sure i think he either sold it or traded it in.
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Originally posted by gotapex:
Z rating: under the older system introduced 1999 spec on tires above 149mph
Y rating: newer system, tire spec at 186mph
(Y) rating: newer system, tire spec at >186mph
Missing the W rating.
Here's the speed rating list:
Notice that an SVT will need either a V, Z, W, or Y rated tire if you plan on topping it out, otherwise you risk your tires breaking down and you ending up all screwed up.
Also make sure you're not out on the interstate going over the rating of your winter tires!
L: 75mph
M: 81mph
N: 87mph
P: 93mph
Q: 99mph
R: 106mph
S: 112mph
T: 118mph
U: 124mph
H: 130mph
V: 149mph
Z: "+149mph"
W: 168mph
Y: 186mph
?: 168mph+ <--- I see this on a few sites, dunno what it's about...
I did hear that cars capable of going that fast usually have custom tires on them.
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Speed ratings are for going that speed for a decent period of time. You can go faster than the speed rating and the tire isn't going to instantly blow out.
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
Originally posted by gotapex:
Michelin makes the awesome Pilot Sport Cup & PS2, as well as really poorly performing ones like the MX4.
agreed..my parents just got the MXV4's for the Lexus..those tires wear like a mother
For whatever application I'm running, I can easily find better than the Michs for far less money - as is being demonstrated, or at least expressed, in this thread.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
well they came in..thanks TR
Michelin Pilot Sport 225/45ZR17
I dont think anyone has these on their cars I'm the first
All I need now is spring
Too much money for tires.  Priced them for my car $196 a TIRE!!!! 
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Yuppers Used to be supercharged....
ahh the old days
what happened to it now?
I may have saw it here in Macon,GA. I talked to the guy who was driving and said it bought it from another guy in Kansas(kansas city? cant remember). This was 3-5 months ago...When I first saw it, I was like , then it reminded me of phatsvt...Dunno, could have been a look alike... Who knows
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Originally posted by csvtjohnga:
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Yuppers Used to be supercharged....
ahh the old days
what happened to it now?
I may have saw it here in Macon,GA. I talked to the guy who was driving and said it bought it from another guy in Kansas(kansas city? cant remember). This was 3-5 months ago...When I first saw it, I was like , then it reminded me of phatsvt...Dunno, could have been a look alike... Who knows
could have been, PhatSVT does live in KC,MO
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but i did some searching and didnt he sell the csvt??the guy who had it 1-never heard of CEG 2-didnt know much about the csvt...
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Friend of mine's parents have had the Pilots on a few of their cars. Bot cars used the same size,235/45/18. The first car they had them on was a 1999 BMW 540, they thought they would try them and they were really noisy. They have since been worn down and replaced. Can't remember what they are they are using now. Second car they had them on was 2001 Audi A8 V8. the PS came with the car. They were even worse on this car for some reason. Really loud even while puttering around town at low speeds.
Hopefully they are a little better on the Contour. Maybe its the weight that made them so noisy. Lets us know what they're like when you get them on in the spring.
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Originally posted by Bridge:
Man you really had A LOT better options...
wow $216 less for 4 tires and you could have have the G-Force KDW2's and not to mention the best overall rating of the 3 listed above 
225/40-YR18 KWD2's on mine now and let me tell you they feel great so far. After only a couple of weeks I am very happy...don't really seem noisy to me either. Hell my car is loud and it's a sports car not a luxury sedan with a silent exhaust note, mushy suspension and tires. Much better then the original 215/50-16's and still better then the 215/45-17's I just got rid of. I would have never guessed there would have been that much difference in handling and ride between the three...but there certainly is!
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well come spring and I'll fill you all in how my michelins are..i have 0 complaints about the all season PS I have on at the moment..Im 100% positive it will be the same if not, better for the summer ones..
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Lack of complaints is due to lack of not having had a better tire.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Lack of complaints is due to lack of not having had a better tire.
PS all season is an excellent tire..i have had it for over a year..you dont have it so I dont know how you would know
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I didn't say it wasn't a good tire. I meant you haven't had better, thus your lack of complaints.
I don't have to have gonorrhea to know it sucks.
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Goonz, I don't think anyone is saying the tire is not good - clearly by the test results it is a very good tire. What people are saying is that for $200 less you could have had a tire that tested better than those. Hey, you're happy with the purchase - that's what matters. (But try the KDW2s next time - I'm certain you'll like them at least as much. )
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Originally posted by eepals:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=10252&page_number=10
Thought you might like to see this.
The PS2's are actually a pretty good step above the PS which Goonz SVT bought. Also, the 10th place BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KD are a BIG step over the KDW2, at least in dry. Hands down for dry performance, the PS will rock the KDW2 (and I plan to pick up another set of KDW2 soon).
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