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they all said the Welders wernt high enough quality... That they couldent weld it properly, should i take it back to them and tell them it can be done...
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I kind of browsed over this a while ago and only noticed someone saying these help when you jack the car up, which isn't a hobby of mine, so I haven't given this much attention. But now I see that this might offer huge suspension gains, especially since I autocross. I just bought a rear strut brace and rear sway bar trying to stiffen everything up.
Is there a flex problem that hurts our handling on Contours/Cougars that this helps? Can anyone feel the difference in handling from this?
If so, I'll buy anyone's that can't get theirs installed.
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#18 arrived today  Thanks a lot Steve for getting these made. One of the best group buys I have been a part of.
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I'm going to pick mine up at the post office right now!! I'm grinning like an idiot...
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GI8U2racing,
This is a great question and hopefully I can answer it for you. I go to church with a gentlman who raced Formula Fords and Mustangs. He did all the suspension and steering work for his teams. He has been out of it for about 4 years now, but I think his advice still stands.
I autocross my contour as well and I was about to do the D2 Coilover group buy and I asked his advice. He told me to hold onto my grand and first go for a front strut brace then subframe connectors. He told me that's the first thing he would do to all the Mustangs they raced.
He told that for the Contour, the subframe connectors would make a big difference in high speed cornering. A few days after this, the Subframe Connector group buy came out. Isn't God cool! Anyway here's why the subframe connectors help:
The contour is a front wheel drive, 4-door car. Because of this, whenever executing turns at high speeds, the car twists about the door pillars in between the front and rear doors. For example, if you make a hard left turn, the front of the car is going to twist to the left, whereas the rear of the car will twist right. This puts most of the grip load on the left front tire and rear right tire (for a left turn) and vice-versa for a right turn. This is not good (for obvious reasons) since you want all tires as planted to the ground as much as possible to get maximum grip and minimum body roll. The connectors essentially prevent this twist since they intersect the plane at which the car twists.
He told me first get the front strut bar, then the subframes, then the coilovers. I ran out of cash after the first two and a battery-relocation project I am still working on. D2 s for next year maybe...
I hope this makes sense
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I think you are a little mixed up on weight transfer, it seems backwards to me.
Also front strut bars do little to nothing on this car as the strut towers are right next to the firewall. The rear one does a lot more than the front.
I have noticed a pretty big increase in torsional rigidity after having these installed. Chassis flex seems non-existant now. Even if you think its fine before, after having these you will realize how much your car flexed before.
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Not saying your buddy doesn't know what he's talking about, but all cars are different. A uni-body contour is quite different from the cars he's used to.
All cars have chassis flex. And yes it's good to improve it. But a front strut tower bar is not even close to being the most effective (if at all effective) suspension part for contours. Subframe connectors would be better than the fstb. But as far as doing either over good springs and struts, I wouldn't go that far at all. Good springs and struts will make the biggest difference, then a bigger rear sway, rear strut tower bar, and so on. But don't forget, the most important thing is tires.
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Originally posted by hsoverma:
GI8U2racing,
This is a great question and hopefully I can answer it for you. I go to church with a gentlman who raced Formula Fords and Mustangs. He did all the suspension and steering work for his teams. He has been out of it for about 4 years now, but I think his advice still stands.
I autocross my contour as well and I was about to do the D2 Coilover group buy and I asked his advice. He told me to hold onto my grand and first go for a front strut brace then subframe connectors. He told me that's the first thing he would do to all the Mustangs they raced.
He told that for the Contour, the subframe connectors would make a big difference in high speed cornering. A few days after this, the Subframe Connector group buy came out. Isn't God cool! Anyway here's why the subframe connectors help:
The contour is a front wheel drive, 4-door car. Because of this, whenever executing turns at high speeds, the car twists about the door pillars in between the front and rear doors. For example, if you make a hard left turn, the front of the car is going to twist to the left, whereas the rear of the car will twist right. This puts most of the grip load on the left front tire and rear right tire (for a left turn) and vice-versa for a right turn. This is not good (for obvious reasons) since you want all tires as planted to the ground as much as possible to get maximum grip and minimum body roll. The connectors essentially prevent this twist since they intersect the plane at which the car twists.
He told me first get the front strut bar, then the subframes, then the coilovers. I ran out of cash after the first two and a battery-relocation project I am still working on. D2 s for next year maybe...
I hope this makes sense
I personally think the shocks and springs do more on this car (as far as overal grip is concerned) than the subframe connectors would...the subframe connectors are going to make your stock suspension work harder, and may actually increase your body roll since the shock and springs will be take the full brunt of the chasis' weight transfer. steering may be more accurate but your overall weight transfer in hard conering will probably overwork your stock suspension...strut tower braces will do the same, but to a lesser degree.
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Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
I think you are a little mixed up on weight transfer, it seems backwards to me.
Also front strut bars do little to nothing on this car as the strut towers are right next to the firewall. The rear one does a lot more than the front.
I have noticed a pretty big increase in torsional rigidity after having these installed. Chassis flex seems non-existant now. Even if you think its fine before, after having these you will realize how much your car flexed before.
i'll agree with chris on this one..if you've ever had the dash out you'd see why,theres a two inch pipe running from one side of the car to the other on the firewall....i still have a fstb though,they look good 
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I still have one too
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