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Kremit, I belive!! I BELIEVE!!!!
You forgot man, Hector and I ran all over the country going to meets, trying to stay as close to the spped limit as the gas pedal meeting the floor would let us...
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U can start the contour vs contour guessing game with the fact that CSVTs are rated at a drag limited top speed of 143mph with 200hp Now remove 70hp for the Zetec then add back about 6-10hp for your mods. Still with me? The only way you'll see 130mph is by trusting an inaccurate speedometer  It's actually not even worth thinking about. By the time you waited for that needle to indicate its 130mph a CSVT would be 20 miles down the road -hypothetically speaking of course.
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Isnt drag limit have to do with the aerodynamics of a car....No one said they can beat an SVT in a race, just that they can get up to 130....Whats so hard to believe about that????
I know I bounced off my limiter many of times ith room or more when I had my Zetec.
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Originally posted by ModBoss:
U can start the contour vs contour guessing game with the fact that CSVTs are rated at a drag limited top speed of 143mph with 200hp
Now remove 70hp for the Zetec then add back about 6-10hp for your mods. Still with me?
The only way you'll see 130mph is by trusting an inaccurate speedometer
It's actually not even worth thinking about.
By the time you waited for that needle to indicate its 130mph a CSVT would be 20 miles down the road -hypothetically speaking of course.
Well I'd say atleast 10hp yes, but there are more factors than you're thinking about here.
1.Optimized TB, doesn't really add HP but increases top speed
2.Cam gears can do a lot of different things at different rpms
3.Chip possibly helps a good bit
4.WEIGHT, my car weighs a good bit less than a svt and most other zetecs
5.Wheels and tires. I did this on 185/70/14. That helps a good bit.
Now, also take into consideration that csvt's are "rated" at 143. They're also rated at 200hp. Do you think every single svt engine when dyno'd puts out 200hp? Get what I'm saying? Rated is not exact.
AGAIN, I said I agree the speedometer is inaccurate. In fact I had it setup to be more accurate with 17" wheels, so I was probably do more like 127. But it was still pulling, so 130 is not out of the question. Also, my speedo is pretty darn accurate according to GSP. But as I said, I am well aware of what various speeds up to ~160 feels like.
Yeap. Done said that it takes forever to max the speedo out.
And again, I'd probably be acting the same way you are now if I hadn't done it myself. But I'm telling you what happened. You can argue it all you want. Doesn't change it.
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Kremit I am thinking you only got up to maybe 120-125. Having the same mods as you my car would only get up to around an indicated 125. With an extra 19 hp on the top end I gained with the header it was around an indicated 130. With the blower and 40 more whp I topped out where the SVT does, indicated on the speedo 145.
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I get what you're saying. I'd be willing to bet just about every well maintained stock CSVT that rolls out the door will top out at over 140mph Your 6 - 10hp mods and auto transaxle on a tired 130hp Zetec needs to put its trust in an inaccurate speedometer then present it as some sort of fact. And your "know what speed feels like" isn't any better proof than an inaccurate speedometer. One moment you say your speedometer is inaccurate, then you say that it's darn close, more accurate with your 17s, but you're basing all of this on your 14" tire run?  Ever been clocked at going 130mph or ever did any dyno runs to backup your HP claims, since you're kind of hinting that the factory might have severely underestimated your car? Like the guy said, I'd guess that you're closer to 120mph
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Originally posted by ModBoss:
I get what you're saying.
I'd be willing to bet just about every well maintained stock CSVT that rolls out the door will top out at over 140mph
Your 6 - 10hp mods and auto transaxle on a tired 130hp Zetec needs to put its trust in an inaccurate speedometer then present it as some sort of fact.
And your "know what speed feels like" isn't any better proof than an inaccurate speedometer.
One moment you say your speedometer is inaccurate, then you say that it's darn close, more accurate with your 17s, but you're basing all of this on your 14" tire run?
Ever been clocked at going 130mph or ever did any dyno runs to backup your HP claims, since you're kind of hinting that the factory might have severely underestimated your car?
Like the guy said, I'd guess that you're closer to 120mph
No you don't.
You still don't understand about the HP, weight, and other variables. And my zetec isn't tired. It's on viagra.
And my "know what speed feels like" is just a fact that I know the difference between say 115 and 130.
One moment? EVERY moment I say almost all speedometers are somewhat inaccurate. And hmm, did you really read? I said that I had it more accurate with 17"s, so with a simple calculation came out that the 130 indicated really was more like 128.
Hell no I haven't been clocked going 130, cops tend to arrest you and take your license for that. As I've told you, only did it once anyways. Hmm dyno runs backing up MY HP CLAIMS? What HP claims have I claimed exactly? I missed that memo. I never said the factory underestimated my car. I said there is no known rated top speed for a atx zetec and that the "rated" top speed for a svt (or any car for that matter) is not exact.
Hector's car weighed more than mine and we've established it was never as fast as it should be. I believe there was talk of his speedo being very inaccurate at one point anyways.
As I said, it was probably 128ish. I'm thinking 125-128. And it was still pulling.
This is fun. BTW, zetec contours aren't fun. Mine/anything on it is for sale for the right price.
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Kermit,
I think the point that they are trying to make is this:
1. You have much less power then an SVT (which is limited to 143)
2. Your car is not as aerodynamic as an SVT (which is limited to 143)
Yes, weight is a big factor as well, but unless your car was 100% gutted in track trim, I don't think that you lost enough weight to make up for those previous two factors.
But I had my zetec auto up to 113 down a hill and it was quite scary. The car wasn't pulling that hard, and I highly doubt it would have made it to 130 had the limiter not been there.
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I think you (and some others) need to look at what I'm saying.
You think every svt hits 143 and stops?
But again, I'd be saying the same things ya'll are (except I would read a bit better than some of ya'll) if I hadn't done it myself.
But I'm just kidding anyways. I've never gone over 70.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
I think you (and some others) need to look at what I'm saying.
You think every svt hits 143 and stops?
But again, I'd be saying the same things ya'll are (except I would read a bit better than some of ya'll) if I hadn't done it myself.
But I'm just kidding anyways. I've never gone over 70.
I think that would be stupid to think that every one just stops at 143. But most of them will be able to do close to 143. I have personally had my SVT to that and showed just a tad bit more. But due to the computer limiter, 110 (or 112 whatever) is the max a zetec auto will go. With a chip that doesn't have the limiter, I highly doubt one will go over 120.
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