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Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
SonofaNun, you're an idiot. Everyone who knows what's going on is laughing at you. You don't know anything about brakes or racing. This thread is about brakes, and using them on street cars that race. So why did you post?
Nice fetch, monkey.
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You want to know how I knew that you have as much place here as what I left in the toilet this morning?
Let's start with your signature:
KVR Performance Rotors & Pads
"Unlock the Power with Castrol SYNTEC"
Drilled rotors are not functional. They don't work. They are a bad idea, and a waste of money. They are bling. They probably won't fail you on the street, but they will NOT stop you better that blank rotors in any way, shape, or form. no way at all.
Even in the rain, tiger?
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On the track they can downright dangerous, since they tend to crack at higher temps. Racecars don't use them. Track junkies don't use them. And yet:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Well, looks like Kremit's HPS street pads might send him into a bad situation at the track...maybe with drilled rotors on the rear...good rotors front and rear probably would get the most out of his "autocross & track" pads, but he's worried about the cost not the proper setup.
I explained that already, and you know it. YOU are the one that said Kremit's rear pads might tend to fade...so, aGAIN...with his set-up, you wanted me to suggest slotted rotors so they could fade just that much quicker? d'OH!
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That's right, you recommended him to use drilled rotors at the track.
[evasion duly noted]
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You are a moron, and just gave someone dangerous advice.
You're just getting waaaaaaaaaay too overly emotional over this.
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Did you know if you mix ammonia and bleach it gets your whites whiter? and like I mentioned, if you know ANYTHING about racing and high performance driving, you know Hawk.
That's why Kremit was SO confused about the noise when the pads are made to make noise...or you?...when your very first reply suggested that it was the fault of Kremit maybe not doing the job right? Never did you say it was normal for that pad to make noise.
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You don't. So it's pretty clear you're a newbie with no facts to back up his big mouth. You learned ten thousand times as much about brakes reading Rara's posts here than you did before CEG, I guarantee it.
I just learned, like always, that tennis court/Wal-mart lot xcross champs like you never come off as Master teaching the pupil, it always comes off as super-froth attempt to b*tch, slap, and scratch.
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And I note that you use the word track there. You see, this thread is about using pads at an autocross, yet you keep talking about the track. You say Kremit is going to the track. Then you get confused and call him a poser when he says he's not.
Because it's called an autocross *track* or *course*...never an autocross tennis court, parking lot, drainage ditch, etc?
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Then you spout this off:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
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Sounds like I have track plans for my contour? Well, again I don't have a track car, and have no plans on taking my cars to any track. I have autox'd my contour a couple times and it's OK. I autox my escort regularly and it's locally competetive. But what is all this about a track?
[evasion duly noted]
I've used autocross as often as I've used track...usually in the same sentence.
No, you used them interchangeably. This made it very clear to us that you didn't really grasp that there was a difference between the two.
No, you're just trying to play with the words to find a way out.
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That makes you even more laughable.
And more of an ass.
You're recommending someone do something for a track setup, when he's autocrossing. Let me get this through to you:
Autocross is not tracking the car. You can autocross on pads that would be bad for tracking, or pads like the HPS/HP+ that are good for track days. If you put full-out race pads on an autocross car, bad things are going to happen. They are very, very different, and the biggest differences in car setup are in the brake system. So you're giving advice about a very dangerous sport which you know nothing about.
Nice kook rant.
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Real nice, dickweed. Your spouting off may hurt someone someday. When a kid puts cross-drilled rotors and race pads on his car and slides through the first turn of an autocross into a corner worker, are you going to feel so proud of your little internet BS?
You're projecting.
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So I repeat: what are you doing here?
You left this thread for good...remember?
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You have no place answering questions and debating with the experts. Your place is to read and learn and ask questions.
I started this all with the jaw-dropping notion that it would be best to run all HPS for the street, or all HP+ if you're going to be using them on race-day...and you're the one that confirmed that the HPS pads might fade before the HP+ pads...so that's a safety issue worth thinking about, I feel...but I always try to do it right or not do it at all.
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So hubert shows up. You see
With a zero posting history.
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I showed this to some real race car drivers/builders/etc. because I thought they might enjoy a laugh. Well, I didn't think that after I so clearly refuted every little miniscule clump of puke you coughed up yesterday you'd come back for more.
You vowed to leave this thread, with others looking on, but you return. Why?
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When hubert saw that, he couldn't help him self. He signed up and spouted off more facts. So I wouldn't pick on him for having a zero post count. You see, hubert knows his stuff. He has so much more experience than me that I'm his [censored], really. Since you're my b!tch, what does that make him to you?
Thought you were too busy this week. Nice work, pawn.
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And as for your personal attacks on Kremit:
I get it personal...***after*** others go there first.
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he has a riced-out Contour
And he has the nerve to say that my Syntec oil changes are ricey?
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He races an SCCA Solo II STS Escort, and hopefully he'll leave his ricer ways behind as he gets older.
And worry more about performance instead of cutting corners?
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This is not a thread about his rice car. It's about his racecar. You know about one kind of car, and it's not the race car. Want to guess which one? Hind: you can talk shift knobs all day
It'll be a big leap from Kremit's painted heat shields, shift knobs, yellow grill, wipers and seats to a good well thought out race car. I sure hope he makes it.
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And then finally, if there was someone out there as dumb as you who hasn't realized your ignornace yet, you pull this one out of your ass:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Because the biggest hissies have come from an xcross *champ* that is running SS lines with pads that can't take the heat...on stock rotors...and pad slappers that throw xcross pads on stock rotors?
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I have a street set-up that looks and performs better than stock. Just what I wanted and just what was recommended by some of the regs here. If I wanted to xcross, I'd go with all HP+...and I wouldn't run SS lines with stock pads and rotors.
Guess what, you illiterate mouthbreathing turdgobbler? Every time 'x' is substituted into a word it represents "cross". What the hell is "cross-cross"? It's autocross; auto-x, you ignorant crotch pheasant.
And we run STS, a class that doesn't allow rotor changes. Did you get that? We have no choice but to race with stock rotors. Mostly because... are you ready?
Stock rotors can provide excellent modulation and more than enough stopping power to exercise threshold braking, even with super-sticky STS tires. And they are more than up to the task of working with a high-torque compound like the HP* pads.
If you knew jack about brakes or x-cross (sic), you'd have known those two very important facts.
And yet, more insults. Guess what: I've had pad fade once, at the end of a very long autocross. I have a set of good pads ready to go, but I haven't bothered because my region doesn't have any courses that will fade my brakes. You see, street pads work just fine for x-cross (sic)...
Oh, never mind. You're not going to get it anyway. You're going to quote my post and cut it up into bite-sized little chunks so you can put "evasion" and other big words you don't understand in between, like a little post sandwich your mommy cut the crust of off.
Let me make completely sure you understand this before I go again:
With "again" being the key word.
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You're an idiot. Everyone who knows what this thread is about knows it. You have wasted our time spouting off absolute rubbish and bad advice based on bullcrap marketing claims and internet hearsay. Everyone is laughing at you, and you're the only one who doesn't get it.
I'm laughing at you...and that probably goes for everybody that doesn't get your need to foam and froth over something like this.
BTW In case you missed it, HAWK expert, again, you were trying to make Kremit do his job over or make him at least worry about his installation, when all you were supposed to say is: Don't worry, it's normal, like others did on this thread, ones that haven't given your kind of outbursts?
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Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by moxnix:
AutoX is not the same as Track.
He's just gettin' evasive. Xcross isn't street.
He has never mentioned track except when you brought it up. As an AutoX/street mix those 2 different pads are fine. He has them more for AutoX but will also be using them on the street.
The only time you have mentioned AutoX before you were told that was all he did other than street with them was when you called them AutoX and Track pads. You said nothing about him using them for AutoX just that he was tracking the car.
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by moxnix:
Who cares in a brake thread why he has adjustable gears or what use they are put to?
Because he's a joke...just look at his car. And he's the guy that started this thread, wondering about noise when Hawk's very own website clearly states that his HP+ pads will make noise.
There is a difference between knowing that the pads are going to make noise and actaully hearing the noise from them. When I first heard the noise from those type of pads I thought something was wrong with the brakes but I remembered that they make noise and did some research and found those types of noises are normal so I have no problems with somebody asking if those noises are the type of noise that you get from AutoX pads.
He has said many times in the past that he knows the contour is ricey and that he regrets some of the mods on it so I as well as many others on here are willing to let that stay in the past and move forward from there and answer serious questions that he may have.
Maybe you think everybody that does AutoX should use rotors like this?
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That's just ridiculous! 
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A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!
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Originally posted by moxnix:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by moxnix:
AutoX is not the same as Track.
He's just gettin' evasive. Xcross isn't street.
He has never mentioned track except when you brought it up. As an AutoX/street mix those 2 different pads are fine. He has them more for AutoX but will also be using them on the street.
The only time you have mentioned AutoX before you were told that was all he did other than street with them was when you called them AutoX and Track pads.
As does HAWK 
http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/
Why?
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by moxnix:
Who cares in a brake thread why he has adjustable gears or what use they are put to?
Because he's a joke...just look at his car. And he's the guy that started this thread, wondering about noise when Hawk's very own website clearly states that his HP+ pads will make noise.
There is a difference between knowing that the pads are going to make noise and actaully hearing the noise from them. When I first heard the noise from those type of pads I thought something was wrong with the brakes but I remembered that they make noise and did some research and found those types of noises are normal so I have no problems with somebody asking if those noises are the type of noise that you get from AutoX pads.
Hawk's very own website clearly states that his HP+ pads will make noise.
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He has said many times in the past that he knows the contour is ricey and that he regrets some of the mods on it so I as well as many others on here are willing to let that stay in the past and move forward from there and answer serious questions that he may have.
I'll leave it in the past just as soon as he stops trying to pretend that my oil and my mods turned my CSVT into the rice crap that he's worked so hard at creating.
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Maybe you think everybody that does AutoX should use rotors like this?
You're projecting.
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Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Yes HP plus and HPS in the rear. I just said autox because hawk says that's what they're good for, and just to say it's a performance pad for anyone not familiar with the hawk line.
I don't really mind the noise, just wanted to make sure it's ok.
I don't know about mixing *track* pads on one axle w/ *street* pads on the other. Seems like they're be a conflict there. I'd go with all Plus or all HPS, depending on your needs. Anyway, took a quick look at Hawk's site. I've never heard of them, but I wouldn't mind trying out some of those HPS for myself.
Kremit, don't worry about mixing pads. I take my car to on-TRACK events, and I use TRACK pads on the front and STREET pads on the rear. Why? Because the rears don't do a damn thing on my car - the fronts are doing all the work. And I hope to God you don't even think about drilled rotors.
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SonofaNun, you pick one picture out of teh whole intarweb, and now you're an expert on autocross and brakes? You truly are a semen gargling ankle grabbing taint licker of the highest degree.
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He reminds me of meangreen 
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Wow. Swiss cheese brakes. Or maybe they are just cheesy brakes. I like the duct tape lower spring perches. It probably works about as well as the brake rotors. Hey guys, some of you must have too much time on your hands or you need new hobbies.
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This is done!
SonofaNun, you need to read more and talk less.
Your so called awesome KVR "setup" isn't all that special. The pads are hard as rocks and scary on cold mornings. I know, I had them. KVR rotors are just OEM blanks drilled, slotted, and label KVR. If you've read any of the stickies you might learn a thing or two. I'd take Bendix Ceramics and high quality blanks any day over your setup, in fact I do.
Just cause you bought a name doesn't make you an expert.
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The problem with America is stupidity.
I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment
for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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