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Originally posted by SonofaNun:
My CSVT has new calipers, SS brake hoses, KVR slotted and drilled rotors w/ KVR CF pads [no shims at all], went light on the grease [cars from the factory don't have grease slopped all over everything], followed the break-in guide lines. Great stopping power and I've never had a problem with noise. 
Oh wow, the great Flying Nun lecturing us all on brake dynamics and setups while running blingtastic, jantastic, boulevard pimpin' cross drilled rotors.
FFOG for you pal.
A few declerations to aver against your rampant ignorance:
1. People who run cross drilled rotors are monkeys and also think of aftermarket shift knobs as a "mod."
2. Anyone who doesn't defer to someone with greater experience regarding the topic at hand, you know, like someone who's talking from actually having done "it" is a jackass (read: you, Flying Nunnie Penile Projectile)
3. Running staggered brake compounds, front to rear, cheesedick, is perfectly fine and is a common way to adjust brake bias in cars not equipped with manually adjustable proportioning valves; the utlization of compounds with different co-efficents of friction is a simple way to tune your braking force front to rear and is done ALL THE TIME by people whose brain isn't a wet noodle (read: everyone but you). Brake bias, look it up.
4. You can run a race pad in the front and a street pad in the rear just fine; I did so for years on the street and on the track and it was fine. No ill effects other than the standard added noise and dust on account of the track compound. Gasp, shock, horror ... facts ... what are you going to do, you can't run from facts, they'll find you sooner or later and burn down that Zepplin expanded to capacity with all the hot air you're spewing.
5. Depending on the driver's skill level, the vehicle's mass and the tires used, a high performance street pad or light duty track pad will work fine, can you guess why? Becuase the service envelope of the pads won't be exceeded by the application - care to guess? Because novice driver's aren't fast enough to beat down the equipment. I've used OEM pads in a pinch and simply adjusted my driving style, other novice track drivers go 2, 3 maybe even 4 events on OEM pads and rotors, before they need to replace them. See, there again, is that actually having been there and done it coming back to haunt you; spend less time waxing your Jantastic cross drilled rotors, and spend more time driving and you'll eventually come upon a clue. Then again, you probably won't.
6. Should you open your interweb mouth again on this topic, at least try and get some conductivity between those ears before doing so, because the utter nonsense in your commentary is virtual bleeding out through the ears of goo.
Warmest Regards,
Son of a [censored].
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
How loud are autox pads supposed to be?
I put hawk autox pads on the front and street pads on the rear of my escort and is insanely loud when braking, though it does stop great. Just wondering if something is wrong or not?
It's perfectly normal. My pads (Cobalt Spec VRs) moan like stuck pigs when really cold and give a subtle chirp on initial application when braking after a decently long straight.
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Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Sonofanun, when am I going to a track? I haven't heard of me going to a track. Please inform me so I can be sure to make it.
So your Escort is your only track car? Kind of foolish to put track pads on your Contour, if you never plan getting it off of the street.
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Of course, HPS is not as good as HP+. The rear does less braking, so it's not a big deal. I could have very easily spent the $20 more on the HP+ pads, but really, there would be no point. Wow, I'd get maybe .001 second faster in autox lap times. Since I'm only locally competive, that wouldn't matter.
Well now, sounds like you have track plans for that Contour afterall.  
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I have no plans on my car seeing a track and my brake setup works fine. End of story.
HPS is what I would have gone with then...seeing that you've already stated that you're worried with rotor wear.
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Thanks everyone for the few useful posts. Sorry to anyone reading this that had to read through crap.
You're just a poser. You throw "Autocross & Track" pads on stock rotors, and street pads on the rear...then you say you'll never get that setup on the track. Does the same go for your adjustable gears? Ever adjust them, or are they just for looks? The reason why you're missing the top piece of your timing belt cover?
End of story.
WTF are you talking about!? I don't have track pads on the contour. I have the mintex crap from BAT on it. This thread IS ABOUT MY ESCORT. And my escort is not a track car. I don't own a "track car".
Sounds like I have track plans for my contour? Well, again I don't have a track car, and have no plans on taking my cars to any track. I have autox'd my contour a couple times and it's OK. I autox my escort regularly and it's locally competetive. But what is all this about a track?
I'm not really worried with rotor wear or anything. I was just stating the fact (only because you questioned it). There would not be a significant improve in braking with the hp+ pad in the rear. So by going with the hps pad, I save some money and rotor wear. Sorry if I confused you.
Just a poser? What am I posing as? Please tell me. Yeap, I put autox pads on the front and street performance pads on the rear with plain rotors. And I don't track it. I'm just not getting what you're saying here.
My adjustable cam gears on the contour. Yes I have a adjusted them. Did they add power? Heck if I know. It's a 4 banger auto contour. Who gives a crap?
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
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Originally posted by hubert:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
How loud are autox pads supposed to be?
I put hawk autox pads on the front and street pads on the rear of my escort and is insanely loud when braking, though it does stop great. Just wondering if something is wrong or not?
It's perfectly normal. My pads (Cobalt Spec VRs) moan like stuck pigs when really cold and give a subtle chirp on initial application when braking after a decently long straight.
Thanks hubert.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
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Originally posted by hubert:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
My CSVT has new calipers, SS brake hoses, KVR slotted and drilled rotors w/ KVR CF pads [no shims at all], went light on the grease [cars from the factory don't have grease slopped all over everything], followed the break-in guide lines. Great stopping power and I've never had a problem with noise.
Oh wow, the great Flying Nun lecturing us all on brake dynamics and setups while running blingtastic, jantastic, boulevard pimpin' cross drilled rotors.
FFOG for you pal.
Check his sig for more ricer knowledge:
"Unlock the Power with Castrol SYNTEC" 
And before anybody says anything, I know my contour is ricey (and hasn't really had a new mod done to it in close to 2 years). It's ok, it's an auto 4 banger beater. I would shoot myself if I even started in the direction of my old footsteps or sonofanun's current footsteps with a svt.
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91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
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Originally posted by moxnix:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Well now, sounds like you have track plans for that Contour afterall.
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AutoX is not the same as Track.
He's just gettin' evasive. Xcross isn't street.
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Who cares in a brake thread why he has adjustable gears or what use they are put to?
Because he's a joke...just look at his car. And he's the guy that started this thread, wondering about noise when Hawk's very own website clearly states that his HP+ pads will make noise.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
WTF are you talking about!? I don't have track pads on the contour. I have the mintex crap from BAT on it. This thread IS ABOUT MY ESCORT. And my escort is not a track car. I don't own a "track car".
[evasion duly noted]
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Sounds like I have track plans for my contour? Well, again I don't have a track car, and have no plans on taking my cars to any track. I have autox'd my contour a couple times and it's OK. I autox my escort regularly and it's locally competetive. But what is all this about a track?
[evasion duly noted]
I've used autocross as often as I've used track...usually in the same sentence.
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I'm not really worried with rotor wear or anything. I was just stating the fact (only because you questioned it).
No, you absolutely stated that was the main reason that you went with street pads on the rear...to save your rotors.
[quoted] There would not be a significant improve in braking with the hp+ pad in the rear. So by going with the hps pad, I save some money and rotor wear. Sorry if I confused you. [/quoted]
You just contradicted yourself.
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Just a poser? What am I posing as? Please tell me. Yeap, I put autox pads on the front and street performance pads on the rear with plain rotors. And I don't track it. I'm just not getting what you're saying here.
Just look at your riced-up, yellow painted, 4-cyl/auto signature...and you say that it's a Honda beater? LOL!!
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My adjustable cam gears on the contour. Yes I have a adjusted them. Did they add power? Heck if I know. It's a 4 banger auto contour. Who gives a crap?
Just for looks, as I expected. People that adjust them actually know why they have them and why they adjust them...and they probably don't have auto transaxles with that kind of shifter knob mod.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Check his sig for more ricer knowledge:
"Unlock the Power with Castrol SYNTEC"
And before anybody says anything, I know my contour is ricey (and hasn't really had a new mod done to it in close to 2 years). It's ok, it's an auto 4 banger beater. I would shoot myself if I even started in the direction of my old footsteps or sonofanun's current footsteps with a svt.
You'd need taste and money to have my mods. Good exhaust, /////Alpine stereo system, complete KVR package, etc...nothing looks ricey, just better than stock...but you just grab up 2 cans of spray paint, scab-in 2 yellow seats w/ red harnesses and half-a** do everything else that you touch.
And you're dumb enough to suggest that Castrol Syntec is ricey? ((( eyes rollin' )))
http://www.contour.org/carprofile/carprofile.php?a=display&uid=1556
Profile for Kremithefrog
"your car is the biggest, most tasteless, piece of trash rice on this site." by jerseycat10
"well its good to see your only going for looks because your atx zetec could never be fast, i bet you'll never break into teh 16s... " by Russell
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Originally posted by hubert:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
My CSVT has new calipers, SS brake hoses, KVR slotted and drilled rotors w/ KVR CF pads [no shims at all], went light on the grease [cars from the factory don't have grease slopped all over everything], followed the break-in guide lines. Great stopping power and I've never had a problem with noise.
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Oh wow, the great Flying Nun lecturing us all on brake dynamics and setups while running blingtastic, jantastic, boulevard pimpin' cross drilled rotors.
Because the biggest hissies have come from an xcross *champ* that is running SS lines with pads that can't take the heat...on stock rotors...and pad slappers that throw xcross pads on stock rotors?
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A few declerations to aver against your rampant ignorance:
1. People who run cross drilled rotors are monkeys
Chip Foose...and every single Contour owner here that buys and sells cross-drilled rotors, he didn't mean it.
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and also think of aftermarket shift knobs as a "mod."
Kremit...with his Mt Everest *knob* on his automatic shifter?
I have a B&M short throw.
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2. Anyone who doesn't defer to someone with greater experience regarding the topic at hand, you know, like someone who's talking from actually having done "it"
Like the guy that deferred to me on my point about the HPS pads and how they might fade when mixed with the HP+?
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3. Running staggered brake compounds, front to rear, cheesedick, is perfectly fine and is a common way to adjust brake bias in cars not equipped with manually adjustable proportioning valves; the utlization of compounds with different co-efficents of friction is a simple way to tune your braking force front to rear and is done ALL THE TIME by people whose brain isn't a wet noodle (read: everyone but you). Brake bias, look it up.
Read how Kremit did it for different reasons...to save money and his rear rotors...not because he was worried about brake bias tuning.
Don't put Kremit in the same class as the other x-crossers...just makes you look as if you're slurping him. Remember, he's the one that was confused about the noise after he bought and installed them, asking us, asking co-workers, asking dragon runners...even tho' Hawks very own website states that the pads will make noise.
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4. You can run a race pad in the front and a street pad in the rear just fine; I did so for years on the street and on the track and it was fine. No ill effects other than the standard added noise and dust on account of the track compound. Gasp, shock, horror ... facts ... what are you going to do, you can't run from facts, they'll find you sooner or later and burn down that Zepplin expanded to capacity with all the hot air you're spewing.
So...it's just kind of a macho wannabe thing? Yep, this baby is runnin' RACING pads on the street! Look out now!
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5. Depending on the driver's skill level, the vehicle's mass and the tires used, a high performance street pad or light duty track pad will work fine, can you guess why? Becuase the service envelope of the pads won't be exceeded by the application - care to guess? Because novice driver's aren't fast enough to beat down the equipment. I've used OEM pads in a pinch and simply adjusted my driving style, other novice track drivers go 2, 3 maybe even 4 events on OEM pads and rotors, before they need to replace them. See, there again, is that actually having been there and done it coming back to haunt you; spend less time waxing your Jantastic cross drilled rotors, and spend more time driving and you'll eventually come upon a clue. Then again, you probably won't.
I have a street set-up that looks and performs better than stock, which was already better than a Cobra of the same year...yes?  Just what I wanted and just what was recommended by some of the regs here. If I wanted to xcross, I'd go with all HP+...and I wouldn't run SS lines with stock pads and rotors.
Slotted KVRs would look pretty sweet, compared to those stockers...yes? And since you can't stop blubbering about my drilled KVRs, it's because of how their pads supposedly react to the rain...we get quite a bit of rain here. You know, safety, better looks and better performance in all of the situations that they'll be in when I'm driving my CSVT.
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6. Should you open your interweb mouth again on this topic, at least try and get some conductivity between those ears before doing so, because the utter nonsense in your commentary is virtual bleeding out through the ears of goo.
Jealous much?
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Son of a [censored].
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SonofaNun, you're an idiot. Everyone who knows what's going on is laughing at you. You don't know anything about brakes or racing. This thread is about brakes, and using them on street cars that race. So why did you post?
You want to know how I knew that you have as much place here as what I left in the toilet this morning?
Let's start with your signature:
KVR Performance Rotors & Pads
"Unlock the Power with Castrol SYNTEC"
Drilled rotors are not functional. They don't work. They are a bad idea, and a waste of money. They are bling. They probably won't fail you on the street, but they will NOT stop you better that blank rotors in any way, shape, or form. no way at all. On the track they can downright dangerous, since they tend to crack at higher temps. Racecars don't use them. Track junkies don't use them. And yet:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Well, looks like Kremit's HPS street pads might send him into a bad situation at the track...maybe with drilled rotors on the rear...good rotors front and rear probably would get the most out of his "autocross & track" pads, but he's worried about the cost not the proper setup.
That's right, you recommended him to use drilled rotors at the track. You are a moron, and just gave someone dangerous advice. Did you know if you mix ammonia and bleach it gets your whites whiter? and like I mentioned, if you know ANYTHING about racing and high performance driving, you know Hawk. You don't. So it's pretty clear you're a newbie with no facts to back up his big mouth. You learned ten thousand times as much about brakes reading Rara's posts here than you did before CEG, I guarantee it.
And I note that you use the word track there. You see, this thread is about using pads at an autocross, yet you keep talking about the track. You say Kremit is going to the track. Then you get confused and call him a poser when he says he's not. Then you spout this off:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
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Sounds like I have track plans for my contour? Well, again I don't have a track car, and have no plans on taking my cars to any track. I have autox'd my contour a couple times and it's OK. I autox my escort regularly and it's locally competetive. But what is all this about a track?
[evasion duly noted]
I've used autocross as often as I've used track...usually in the same sentence.
No, you used them interchangeably. This made it very clear to us that you didn't really grasp that there was a difference between the two.
That makes you even more laughable.
And more of an ass.
You're recommending someone do something for a track setup, when he's autocrossing. Let me get this through to you:
Autocross is not tracking the car. You can autocross on pads that would be bad for tracking, or pads like the HPS/HP+ that are good for track days. If you put full-out race pads on an autocross car, bad things are going to happen. They are very, very different, and the biggest differences in car setup are in the brake system. So you're giving advice about a very dangerous sport which you know nothing about.
Real nice, dickweed. Your spouting off may hurt someone someday. When a kid puts cross-drilled rotors and race pads on his car and slides through the first turn of an autocross into a corner worker, are you going to feel so proud of your little internet BS?
So I repeat: what are you doing here? You have no place answering questions and debating with the experts. Your place is to read and learn and ask questions.
So hubert shows up. You see, I showed this to some real race car drivers/builders/etc. because I thought they might enjoy a laugh. Well, I didn't think that after I so clearly refuted every little miniscule clump of puke you coughed up yesterday you'd come back for more. When hubert saw that, he couldn't help him self. He signed up and spouted off more facts. So I wouldn't pick on him for having a zero post count. You see, hubert knows his stuff. He has so much more experience than me that I'm his [censored], really. Since you're my b!tch, what does that make him to you?
And as for your personal attacks on Kremit: he has a riced-out Contour beater which never entered into this discussion until your ignorance of the topics at hand finally surfaced, as obvious as a sperm whale in a bathtub, for everyone to point and laugh.
He races an SCCA Solo II STS Escort, and hopefully he'll leave his ricer ways behind as he gets older. This is not a thread about his rice car. It's about his racecar. You know about one kind of car, and it's not the race car. Want to guess which one? Hind: you can talk shift knobs all day, because you seem to know your stuff there.
And then finally, if there was someone out there as dumb as you who hasn't realized your ignornace yet, you pull this one out of your ass:
Originally posted by SonofaNun:
Because the biggest hissies have come from an xcross *champ* that is running SS lines with pads that can't take the heat...on stock rotors...and pad slappers that throw xcross pads on stock rotors?
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I have a street set-up that looks and performs better than stock. Just what I wanted and just what was recommended by some of the regs here. If I wanted to xcross, I'd go with all HP+...and I wouldn't run SS lines with stock pads and rotors.
Guess what, you illiterate mouthbreathing turdgobbler? Every time 'x' is substituted into a word it represents "cross". What the hell is "cross-cross"? It's autocross; auto-x, you ignorant crotch pheasant.
And we run STS, a class that doesn't allow rotor changes. Did you get that? We have no choice but to race with stock rotors. Mostly because... are you ready?
Stock rotors can provide excellent modulation and more than enough stopping power to exercise threshold braking, even with super-sticky STS tires. And they are more than up to the task of working with a high-torque compound like the HP* pads.
If you knew jack about brakes or x-cross (sic), you'd have known those two very important facts.
And yet, more insults. Guess what: I've had pad fade once, at the end of a very long autocross. I have a set of good pads ready to go, but I haven't bothered because my region doesn't have any courses that will fade my brakes. You see, street pads work just fine for x-cross (sic)...
Oh, never mind. You're not going to get it anyway. You're going to quote my post and cut it up into bite-sized little chunks so you can put "evasion" and other big words you don't understand in between, like a little post sandwich your mommy cut the crust of off.
Let me make completely sure you understand this before I go again:
You're an idiot. Everyone who knows what this thread is about knows it. You have wasted our time spouting off absolute rubbish and bad advice based on bullcrap marketing claims and internet hearsay. Everyone is laughing at you, and you're the only one who doesn't get it.
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