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Ramsey got less than 1/2 a game before getting the hook?
Didn't Brunnel get more than 1/2 a season?
Where are all those pub guys who said Gibbs would make the Skins into a 9-7 or better playoff team right away? Not like this he wont.  
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Gibbs? as in the BeeGees Gibbs? Oh, thats right...the Redskins are attempting to to play football again. :-)
I think they will be 8-8..if they are lucky....
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ramsey was off the whole game, he missed some really easy passes. not saying i could have done better, but he is a pro and should be able to hit a reciever on a quick drop. a lot of his passes were behind the receivers. rebuilding, that's what we will call it, rebuilding...
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There is only one problem with the Redskins...The Owner.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
There is only one problem with the Redskins...The Owner.
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I don't know. I thought that hit was pretty painful looking.
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His hit had nothing to do with not getting a chance from Gibbs. Ramsey never had a fair shot since Gibbs' arrival, which is too bad.
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haven't they been 'rebuilding' for the last 6 years or so? Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
. rebuilding, that's what we will call it, rebuilding...
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
There is only one problem with the Redskins...The Owner.
Exactly. If they get rid of the owner maybe they will have a good chance on getting good players. They need a new owner. Thats why they lost some good players because of the owner.
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Originally posted by Dj Perico:
Originally posted by Bike2112:
There is only one problem with the Redskins...The Owner.
Exactly. If they get rid of the owner maybe they will have a good chance on getting good players. They need a new owner. Thats why they lost some good players because of the owner.
Not since Gibbs took over. Any failure/success starting last year is on Gibbs' shoulders.
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by Dj Perico:
Originally posted by Bike2112:
There is only one problem with the Redskins...The Owner.
Exactly. If they get rid of the owner maybe they will have a good chance on getting good players. They need a new owner. Thats why they lost some good players because of the owner.
Not since Gibbs took over. Any failure/success starting last year is on Gibbs' shoulders.
That is also true. I wish they do a good job this year. Just need some offense.
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I can't say I agree because cleaning up the abomination that was the Spurrier administration isn't going to happen over night. He's having to break all the bad habits instilled.
As for Ramsay, I can't say I was ever sold on him being a great QB, passable at best. I think Brunell does give the team the best chance to succeed. I would like to see Campbell asap.
Gibbs one three super bowls. Only one was with what would be considered a memorable QB. Most of his teams where great due to solid D and a good O line!
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It all starts at the top, and the problem is Snyder. It is not on Gibbs shoulders because Snyder pulls all the behind the scene strings. Gibbs is merely a puppet. The Redskins best season since Snyder is with Norv T. and they did well only because Snyder was so new to ownership and didn't have his little greedy hands into everything yet.
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but he's made lots of money!
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I agree our ultimate problem is Snyder! But that is the least likely element to change. Gibbs is supposed to have a Parcell's like deal. A one year turn around from Spurrier is unrealistic.
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Gibbs is no one's puppet. If you think he is, you don't know jacksquat about him.  Again, I'll restate the fact that the same one's on Gibbs' balls saying he would make the team 9-7 or better and playoffs are now making all kinds of excuses. And of course no one wanted to put money where their mouth was. Yes, Gibbs won three Super Bowls - in a completely different era. Almost nothing is the same since he last coached - hence my apprehension when he was hired and why I didn't hop on the bandwagon like the guys at the pub did.
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I concur. I don't think a man who owns 3 NASCAR teams is going to be anyone's puppet... Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Gibbs is no one's puppet. If you think he is, you don't know jacksquat about him.
Again, I'll restate the fact that the same one's on Gibbs' balls saying he would make the team 9-7 or better and playoffs are now making all kinds of excuses. And of course no one wanted to put money where their mouth was.
Yes, Gibbs won three Super Bowls - in a completely different era. Almost nothing is the same since he last coached - hence my apprehension when he was hired and why I didn't hop on the bandwagon like the guys at the pub did.
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i think that Pete has something against Gibbs??? i could be wrong, it's just a feeling i'm getting 
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
i think that Pete has something against Gibbs??? i could be wrong, it's just a feeling i'm getting
Nah, I have the utmost respect for Gibbs. It's the bandwagoners who were yelling "9-7/10-6 playoffs!" when he was hired that I have something against. 
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Gibbs is no one's puppet. If you think he is, you don't know jacksquat about him.
Hate to bust your bubble, but anyone working for Snyder is a puppet...even Gibbs. Yes he has an ironclad contract, but at the end of the day he is EMPLOYED by Snyder. Not the other way around. Even the mighty Gibbs is vunerable to a greedy bas tard like Snyder.
Yes Snyder has made a lot of money, but at the end of the day does anyone really care how much money Snyder makes. I don't see him sharing his wealth, nor should he. He got rich by being greedy and rutheless...oh and his father bailing him out of several failed business ventures.
Do I respect Gibbs...ABSOLUTELY. He could take the team to 2-14 and I would still respect and admire him. As long as you have an owner who knows very little about football, you will have a bad team. For those talking about how much money Snyder had generated off of the Skins' don't get confused because I am not comparing the teams win loss success with their financial success at all. They are two different points. Snyder has been a financial success with the Skins, but not a winning success when it comes to games.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
Hate to bust your bubble, but anyone working for Snyder is a puppet...even Gibbs. Yes he has an ironclad contract, but at the end of the day he is EMPLOYED by Snyder. Not the other way around. Even the mighty Gibbs is vunerable to a greedy bas tard like Snyder.
Bubble remains unburst.
Just because you are employed by someone, their character (flaws) are not necessarily a reflection of how the business is run - in any industry - as you have generalized.
In addition, it is clearly apparent that you dislike Snyder - fine. But don't act like people can't change. A businessman as successful as Snyder doesn't make that much money without the ability to change.
As many well-respected Redskin journalists have stated, Gibbs had total control with his racing teams and would only come back to football under certain circumstances:
1. To the Redskins
2. Total control
The proof is in the pudding. When Snyder was meddling, the coaches (Turner, Shott, Ballcoach) did not have total control, hence he was meeting with the coachesin the locker room, making statements, press conferences, etc. Is that happening now? Not that we are aware of (and highly unlikely).
I was excited as any Redskin fan was when Gibbs was hired having been an avid fan for almost 30 years, and followed the entire thing very closely - articles, analysis, etc. Gibbs is back because he does have total control. The first hint of Snyder meddling and Gibbs would walk. There is no reason for him to stay as he has nothing to prove.
Gibbs has money, Super Bowls, reputation, total control and success with his racing team, etc. Why would he come back? For fun. Is Snyder meddling fun? No. Logic would dictate he would only come back on his terms - nothing less. If you think otherwise, you are in the minority, and I would welcome any authoritative opinion that agrees with you (I seriously doubt you would find a single one).
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As much as I would want them to go 9-7. The NFC East gets tougher each year and I'm by no means happy with our QB situation. I do see him picking up solid players each year in the draft, Taylor, Rogers, and Campbell are all solid picks. I laugh when I think about Winslow. Gibbs went with what best fit the team and not his personal preference for offense. He's making choices to add players for the long run. I think the Portis for Bailey was perfect considering the much greater restrictions on PI.
I want improvement and I think I'll see it. Dump Ramsay, Gibbs likes veterans more than young QB's. Take the time to develope Campbell into a long term solution. He has the physical skills.
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Until the 'Skins get a GOOD QB, and I'm not talkinga bout someone hanging on to the end of a good career, and some good wideouts, they will be a sub-par team. The D seems to be there, but the key ingredients are missing....Gibbs or no Gibbs..
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Pete,
I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you so to speak. Let's agree to disagree.
I am only basing my opinion off of conversations directly with people within the Redskins organization and with the Snyders themselves. Yes, I have spoken with the Snyders directly.
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Snyder is a pr*ck. when i worked at the training camp (contracted to put up tents, i worked for the tent company) he had a guy come out tell to reverse my shirt b/c it was a yankees shirt. then i hear from my boss that Synder's people threatened to fire our company if it happened again. i could understand if it was a dallas shirt, but that's an entirely different sport. he walks around training camp with these goons like someone is going to steal his wallet. well, i wouldn't mind stealing his wallet, probably thicker than mine...
i believe it's called Napolean Syndrome???
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Snyder is often referred to as "Mr 33" behind his back. Why? It's his jacket size.
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so the consensus is they still suck! :-)
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
so the consensus is they still suck! :-)
Ryan, I hate it when you are so diplomatic and just like to beat around the bush. Just for once, spit it out, say it like it is, let us know exactly what you think without sugarcoating it. 
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Suck, No!
They lost very little and added some solid players. Getting Jansen back and adding Raybach were solid moves. Rogers will be a solid corner and the energy of Arrington on field will help. Trading away unhappy Coles for Moss was a wash talent wise but added a positive person over a negative one. I'll take Patten over Rod "I here foot steps" Gardner any day. There D has never sucked, Greg Williams our savior. In honesty, they only suck in one position, albeit the most important.
Had jackass not dropped the kick return it would have likely been a shut out.
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Suck, No!
They lost very little and added some solid players. Getting Jansen back and adding Raybach were solid moves. Rogers will be a solid corner and the energy of Arrington on field will help. Trading away unhappy Coles for Moss was a wash talent wise but added a positive person over a negative one. I'll take Patten over Rod "I here foot steps" Gardner any day. There D has never sucked, Greg Williams our savior. In honesty, they only suck in one position, albeit the most important.
Had jackass not dropped the kick return it would have likely been a shut out.
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My saying of the week, although I don't disagree, at the end of the year when they are sub .500 because they don't have an offense, will you acknowledge that they suck? I still remember last summer before Gibbs first year back you and can't remember who else were all saying Gibbs was the savior of the franchise. So, I'll wait 18 more weeks, and then I'll ask again if they suck. I for one know and acknowledge when my team sucks, but they've been to a Super Bowl in the last five year (although they got the asses handed to them). Originally posted by Andy W.:
Suck, No!
They lost very little and added some solid players. Getting Jansen back and adding Raybach were solid moves. Rogers will be a solid corner and the energy of Arrington on field will help. Trading away unhappy Coles for Moss was a wash talent wise but added a positive person over a negative one. I'll take Patten over Rod "I here foot steps" Gardner any day. There D has never sucked, Greg Williams our savior. In honesty, they only suck in one position, albeit the most important.
Had jackass not dropped the kick return it would have likely been a shut out.
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Suck, No!
They lost very little and added some solid players. Getting Jansen back and adding Raybach were solid moves. Rogers will be a solid corner and the energy of Arrington on field will help. Trading away unhappy Coles for Moss was a wash talent wise but added a positive person over a negative one. I'll take Patten over Rod "I here foot steps" Gardner any day. There D has never sucked, Greg Williams our savior. In honesty, they only suck in one position, albeit the most important.
Had jackass not dropped the kick return it would have likely been a shut out.
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Their record will indicate whether they do or not - NOT who the players are. There have been Redskin teams loaded with talent that haven't done squat. The much more talented teams from a few years ago sucked - this year's team has shown nothing to prove they wont be any better.
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Bike - agree to disagree.
I also agree to agree to disagree...ther is a song in there somewhere. 
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So, when are the Redskins going to play a decent team so they can get that 0 turned in to a 1?
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
So, when are the Redskins going to play a decent team so they can get that 0 turned in to a 1?
not cool, nooooooot cool
maybe we can get the schedule chagned so they only play high school teams for the remainder of the year. that should throw a kink in your diobolical scheme muwahahahahaha
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Hey the Redskins are still at the top of the division standings. Well as it stands it really doesn't matter anyhow. Pete, you have an issue with Gibbs? Pffft. I have an issue with Billick, several actually.
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great game today, too bad it was against a 1-4 team. nonetheless, great to see the skins finally whoop up on someone
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That was probably the best-attended practice they've ever had. 
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
They will get whooped on by my G-Men.
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j/k, it will be a good test for us
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I didn't catch the game...can anyone telle me the score of today's 'Skin game?
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
They will get whooped on by my G-Men.
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j/k, it will be a good BUTT-WHOOPIN' for us
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
man u guys got pown3d!!
Yes, YES they did.
I knew that game was going to show that the Redskins haven't played anyone yet and that they still need to work on a few things.
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Originally posted by foldthecorners:
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
man u guys got pown3d!!
Yes, YES they did.
I knew that game was going to show that the Redskins haven't played anyone yet and that they still need to work on a few things.
a few is being nice...
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How about last night's game?
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Originally posted by Tony2005:
How about last night's game?
The Eagles suck too. Now the Giants on the other hand! Woo Hoo!
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Why are you riding the Giants jock?
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The problem with America is stupidity.
I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment
for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Why are you riding the Giants jock?
-Andy
Same reason you ride the Redskins/Gibbs jock?  I am a Giants fan and have been for 15 or so years
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Um I was born a Redskins Fan! I was born around here and was put on the season ticket waiting list by my first birthday. Don't act like it's shocking to see Skins fans around here rather than a Giants fan from Indiana.
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Um I was born a Redskins Fan! I was born around here and was put on the season ticket waiting list by my first birthday. Don't act like it's shocking to see Skins fans around here rather than a Giants fan from Indiana.
-Andy
I'm sorry I stated the obvious and you couldn't figure my half of the equation out.
Sorry the Gibbs train hasn't caught up to its expectations!
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Redskins are where I said they would be - ~.500.
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Redskins are where I said they would be - ~.500.
The season's not over yet .
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Originally posted by Silversvts:
Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Redskins are where I said they would be - ~.500.
The season's not over yet .
Your right, at seasons end they will be <.500
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Originally posted by Silversvts:
Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Redskins are where I said they would be - ~.500.
The season's not over yet .
Yes it is. For 3 reasons:
Schedule:
San Diego, @ St. Louis, @ Arizona, Dallas, NY Giants, @ Phil
You think the Skins can go 4-2 and maybe get in the playoffs with a 9-7 record? Very doubtful.
Brunnel:
Yes, he started the season strong. But look at his numbers over the past 4 games. Everything is down. Watch his passes and compare to earlier in the year - not the same velocity. He is clearly tiring.
Defense:
Turnovers - Skins D is one of the worst in the NFL.
Pass rush - non-existent.
Secondary - Harris, Rogers and Clark aren't cutting it.
I stayed out of it at this point and let the Gibbs worshippers to enjoy themselves, but it's back to reality - the Skins are a .500 team.
Hopefully they pick up some pass rush next season and shore up the secondary.
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I know the skins aren't the best team but I have to remain opptimistic about them because they're my favorite team. So don't be hatin so much. GO SKINS.
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Originally posted by Silversvts:
I know the skins aren't the best team but I have to remain opptimistic about them because they're my favorite team. So don't be hatin so much. GO SKINS.
Born and raised in this area and a lifelong Skins fan.
There's a difference between hating and being realistic. Some people don't know the difference and were jumping on the Super Bowl bandwagon when Gibbs was first hired. 
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How long did it take Vermeil to turn around the Rams? Think Gibbs will be around next year and if so and they still suck think he'll hang up the whistle?
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They improved. That's all I wanted. They've been right in all but one game. The last couple have come down to some questionable calls. That's life though. They need a pass rush and a little more time for Mark, or whomever is back their. They also need to stop taking lavar out on third downs. The turnovers thing is more a thing can go either way. Look at the Ravens. Gone from on of the best in turnovers to fair at best.
I love until a few games into this season the only words out of Stablers mouth about the Giants was "Tiki ownz," in our thread at least. Hide during the rough times and jump on the wagon when things are good.
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The season started out so promising for the Skin's too. Oh well, maybe if they ever get rid of their racist name, they'll return to grace.
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
The season started out so promising for the Skin's too. Oh well, maybe if they ever get rid of their racist name, they'll return to grace.
LOL!
Now I hate America? That is a new one to me.
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
The season started out so promising for the Skin's too. Oh well, maybe if they ever get rid of their racist name, they'll return to grace.
That can't be it since they won with that name, so lets not place that card you angry man.
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Born and raised in this area and a lifelong Skins fan.
There's a difference between hating and being realistic. Some people don't know the difference and were jumping on the Super Bowl bandwagon when Gibbs was first hired.
*cough*Juddists*cough*
j/k pete, i'm happy with the skins this year, they have improved a lot in their overall game which is in the right direction. they should have another win in their column but like andy said that's life.
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
The season started out so promising for the Skin's too. Oh well, maybe if they ever get rid of their racist name, they'll return to grace.
That can't be it since they won with that name, so lets not place that card you angry man.
I'm not angry ole' Jedi Master of Anger. Their winning tradition is history. Almost 20 years ago now. It's sitting on 2006! The entire organization needs to evolve. Redskins, pffft. Schneider is jewish right? He has a whole choice of equally racist names he could select.
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
The season started out so promising for the Skin's too. Oh well, maybe if they ever get rid of their racist name, they'll return to grace.
That can't be it since they won with that name, so lets not place that card you angry man.
Fair enough.... their name is still racist. Their organization needs to evolve already. It's darn near 2006!
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