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Originally posted by Ray:
Take your savings (per fill up) and add in the fact that you are getting worse gas mileage, causing more frequent fillups and you will see that you aren't saving more than a $1.00 (if that) while causing damage to an engine.
("knock sensor will catch it" is a false statemnt, too, so don't go there.. the knock sensor operates BY DETECTING KNOCK... it has to HAVE HAPPENED, before it can do anything... once the sensor sees it, its too late...)
Ray
wrong.
Originally posted by SVT Owners manual supplement:
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right...and we all know the factory is always right! 
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Originally posted by 99cougar:
right...and we all know the factory is always right!
Errr...so who's the final authority then?
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Originally posted by b0mbrman:
Originally posted by 99cougar:
right...and we all know the factory is always right!
Errr...so who's the final authority then?
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Originally posted by SVT Owners manual supplement:
"Wrong", as you put it.
But, thank you for pointing out exactly what I just said..
"The knock sensor will adjust engine calibration..." I take it you agree with this logic as its in the picture you hosted.
Now, back to what I said... In order to ADJUST the engine.. it has to DETECT..... *awkwardly long pause*.... KNOCK.
Which means that if the sensor IS adjusting the engine, that KNOCK has already occured. You're not gonna tell me that you think the FIRST knock is a freebie, and all the REST are the damaging ones, are you?
The sensor is not a magic fix. And, fwiw, engine calibration adjustment (via knock sensor) is not a split-second thing.. Changing the logic the car uses is a gradual thing.
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guitarman do me a favor and sell your SVT - being a cheap-ass with a high performance car is pathetic.  PS the knock sensor and ECU can only retard the timing to a certian point and then it can STILL knock and the ECU will NOT pull any more timing. PLUS when it pulls timing it ADDS fuel and thus your milage gets worse, so you use more fuel and therefore you just negated any savings you made by trying to be a smart-ass tight-wad and use craptastic tractor piss gas! I'd love to see how speckled the tops are you pistons are from use low gr4ade fuel oh and PPS: when you can HEAR pinging with you ears it's already to late! There are those of us who KNOW how the EEC-IV works and those of us who THINK they know - you fall into category two. 
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Originally posted by Stazi:
guitarman do me a favor and sell your SVT - being a cheap-ass with a high performance car is pathetic.
PS the knock sensor and ECU can only retard the timing to a certian point and then it can STILL knock and the ECU will NOT pull any more timing. PLUS when it pulls timing it ADDS fuel and thus your milage gets worse, so you use more fuel and therefore you just negated any savings you made by trying to be a smart-ass tight-wad and use craptastic tractor piss gas! I'd love to see how speckled the tops are you pistons are from use low gr4ade fuel
oh and PPS: when you can HEAR pinging with you ears it's already to late!
There are those of us who KNOW how the EEC-IV works and those of us who THINK they know - you fall into category two.
okay... I dont use regular in my SVT. I use 93 if you must know. I just get absolutely annoyed when people say it cant be used. I'll wrap up my position on this in 2 statements:
1. "regular gas" is of no lesser quality than permium. it is made the same. Lower octane's just burn faster than higher. It has nothing to do with being "craptastic tractor piss gas"
2. heres my reasoning for everything (in relation to this). The FORD MANUAL says that you CAN use regular in the SVT (Yes i know it reccomends premium). It also says in there that it can be done without damage to engine components. So according to ford - no damage! HOWEVER i do realize that it is not always right. But, if the engine should get damaged, it SHOULD be repaired for free (and anyone that gets damage this way should argue this) because it is in the ford manual that there would be no damage.
Does this make sense? im not saying to use regular fuel. because then id be a hypocrite (sp?).
With gas prices going to hit over $4 a gallon, SOME people might not have the funds to continue to use premium and the knowledge that regular can be used might help out.
and just to make a point, premium is 20 cents more than regular. say you fill up your car once a week. for me (since i fill when the gas light comes on) filling takes about 12 gallons. .20 * 12 = $2.40 $2.40 * 52 weeks = $124.80 saved a year with regular. thats not some small amount, at least not to someone like me.
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And it would take you 12.01 years to realize the cost savings of that amount to overshadow the cost of a new engine (SHOULD that one be damaged, etc, etc.. That is using a generous amount of $1500 on the low side for a new engine/labor)
I know.. how likely to ruin your engine, but..
How much damage COULD it be doing?, over the course of 11.9 years?
Unless you expect your engine to last 12 + years, you wouldn't even begin to get back in the black. Your engine will die before that, and the 124.80 a YEAR you saved will be gone quicker than you can count.
Ray
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
and just to make a point, premium is 20 cents more than regular. say you fill up your car once a week. for me (since i fill when the gas light comes on) filling takes about 12 gallons. .20 * 12 = $2.40 $2.40 * 52 weeks = $124.80 saved a year with regular. thats not some small amount
Then some people should trade their car for a 4-banger.
In fact, IMO, if the cost of gas is really such an issue, than you should definitely be looking at a way cheaper/economical vehicle ... if you can't afford an extra 20cents per gallon, how can you afford maintenance ... unpredicted repairs ... mods ... even anything!
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
But, if the engine should get damaged, it SHOULD be repaired for free (and anyone that gets damage this way should argue this) because it is in the ford manual that there would be no damage.
Hmm... I wonder if anybody has tried to get Ford to do that yet, the "it should be repaired for free" portion.
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