|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
OP
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118 |
my question is kindof about the how to. at the top it says it can be done to all vehicles, but in the how to...it says it will show the most imporvement in 2.5L...does that mean it cant be done on 2.0l?? i wouldnt think so but i just wanted to check and make sure. my other question...if it can be done, has anyone done it in a 2.0 and if so...is the outcome noticable...and is it worth it?
thanks
kev
kevin m
98 T-red mystique gs
zetec ATX
| my ride |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292 |
yeah it can be done, check out buckshots website, depending on the year the price varies,is it worth it????????if better throttle response,and a couple of ponnies mean anything to you it is 
"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."-Aristophanes.
--93 pgt,headers,intake,borla=14.9 1/4mile
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
OP
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118 |
i didnt mean the new throttle boby...i meant the otimized throttle body in the how to where you countersink the screws(sorry for not being more clear)
kevin m
98 T-red mystique gs
zetec ATX
| my ride |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292 |
????????? well countersinking the screws isnt the only part of optimizing........you need to shave off some of the tb bar,maybe knife the tb edges,remove some of the excess tb material to make the opening a little wider
"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."-Aristophanes.
--93 pgt,headers,intake,borla=14.9 1/4mile
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248
CEG road warrior
|
|
CEG road warrior
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248 |
I have one......it can be done. 
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483 |
It is easy to do, just time consuming.
Once you look at the TB you know what needs to be done.
I believe at some point in time there was a how-to, search the Duratec Performance forum.
Frank McCoy aka Mod-deth aka Mid Life Crisis aka SVT Doood aka mcgainer is a SCAM ARTIST
Pre98 Zetec - Some Mods
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,291
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,291 |
I had one done. Didn't really notice any gains (1 HP somewhere in the band, IIRC), but throttle response was a tad bit improved.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483 |
Jeeze D, you come back and start diggin up 3 week old posts.
Must be trying to catch up?
Frank McCoy aka Mod-deth aka Mid Life Crisis aka SVT Doood aka mcgainer is a SCAM ARTIST
Pre98 Zetec - Some Mods
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,291
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,291 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937 |
I don't really think this is a problem for the Zetec's.
Probably should look at getting a chip first if you have an ATX. TB's, V-Cams, UD-pully and all that stuff are nice and add up. However, nothing beats adding a new chip, turbo, cold air intake mods, headers and using a higher grade of gas. If you want all that other stuff you might as well buy a better engine.
Maybe it's just me though?  What do I know, I'm not a car guy, more of a computer grandmaster. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
OP
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,118 |
sorry to add fuel to this simi old thread...but i had a couple of thoughts.
1) will a pre 98 zetec throtle body fit a 98?
2) and i was really thinking of getting some kind of chip or preformance gaining computer thingy...can anyone steer me in a good direction on that?
thanks
kevin
kevin m
98 T-red mystique gs
zetec ATX
| my ride |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248
CEG road warrior
|
|
CEG road warrior
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248 |
Originally posted by mystiquevltwin:
sorry to add fuel to this simi old thread...but i had a couple of thoughts.
1) will a pre 98 zetec throtle body fit a 98?
2) and i was really thinking of getting some kind of chip or preformance gaining computer thingy...can anyone steer me in a good direction on that?
thanks
kevin
I had a 97 TB on my 00. 
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937 |
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
superchip
I'm thinking the same thing. With the Zetec you can poor in tons of cash and get only small gains. Better off getting the SuperChip or something like it that works first before dumping loads of money on a TB.
Then again, a dual TB would look nice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483 |
Originally posted by TronX:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
superchip
I'm thinking the same thing. With the Zetec you can poor in tons of cash and get only small gains. Better off getting the SuperChip or something like it that works first before dumping loads of money on a TB.
Then again, a dual TB would look nice.
Chip is a horrible first mod.
Only ATX's should get it to firm up shifts.
Otherwise, start with intake/exhaust.
And the Zetec is very mod friendly.
For the cost of an ADC kit for the Duratec,
a Zetec can get to 300wHP on a turbo.
Its just nobody has done it.
And with the right mods a n/a Zetec can get to 180wHP for less than $1500.
But again, nobody is doing serious mods (except Hector).
Frank McCoy aka Mod-deth aka Mid Life Crisis aka SVT Doood aka mcgainer is a SCAM ARTIST
Pre98 Zetec - Some Mods
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937 |
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Originally posted by TronX:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
superchip
I'm thinking the same thing. With the Zetec you can poor in tons of cash and get only small gains. Better off getting the SuperChip or something like it that works first before dumping loads of money on a TB.
Then again, a dual TB would look nice.
Chip is a horrible first mod.
Only ATX's should get it to firm up shifts.
Otherwise, start with intake/exhaust.
And the Zetec is very mod friendly.
For the cost of an ADC kit for the Duratec,
a Zetec can get to 300wHP on a turbo.
Its just nobody has done it.
And with the right mods a n/a Zetec can get to 180wHP for less than $1500.
But again, nobody is doing serious mods (except Hector).
The intake is a given, everyone does them these days. It's just a matter of doing it right that you don't see often.
I was speaking of the ATX for the chip, as most people have auto with the zetec. Or maybe not?
You can buy an engine that does 240 ~ 260 from a honda without any turbo mods. You know what I'm trying to say here. Is it really worth all the extra cash when you can buy HP?
The problem with modding the zetec is that it was not designed to withstand the eternal pressures of the forced air. I can go a lot further into why this happens. But it's a sure fire way to burn out an engine fast before its time.
Then again who really cares? If you got the money and you really what to trick out your car then go for it. If nothing else maybe people will learn a few things along the way.
I really wish they would build more options for cars. I'd to get the biggest engine you can get without all the extra crap and stick in a small cheap car. "Sir.. I want that Honda Civic with the Hemi." 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 8,143
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 8,143 |
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
And with the right mods a n/a Zetec can get to 180wHP for less than $1500.
But again, nobody is doing serious mods (except Hector).
I don't know about this, lots of FJ guys are getting stuck around 160ishwhp after dumping loads into an NA build.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,483 |
PnP head is a must to break 160wHP, most of the FJ people do not have them.
Increase compression, 3/5 angle valve job (or radius), then add cams, cam gears, high flow intake manifold (not just a ported manifold), full exhaust, real CAI, 65mm TB, larger MAF, UDP, and a dyno tune.
Of course larger injectors & fuel pump.
Can be done for about $2000 if you shop around and have the head done and don't just buy one.
You just have to get away from bolt-ons for serious power.
What it boils down to is;
How much money are you willing to spend?
How much time/effort are you willing to invest?
But in the end, just have fun!
Frank McCoy aka Mod-deth aka Mid Life Crisis aka SVT Doood aka mcgainer is a SCAM ARTIST
Pre98 Zetec - Some Mods
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248
CEG road warrior
|
|
CEG road warrior
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248 |
PNP head is the next thing on my list!
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 8,143
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 8,143 |
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
PnP head is a must to break 160wHP, most of the FJ people do not have them.
Increase compression, 3/5 angle valve job (or radius), then add cams, cam gears, high flow intake manifold (not just a ported manifold), full exhaust, real CAI, 65mm TB, larger MAF, UDP, and a dyno tune.
Of course larger injectors & fuel pump.
Can be done for about $2000 if you shop around and have the head done and don't just buy one.
You just have to get away from bolt-ons for serious power.
What it boils down to is;
How much money are you willing to spend?
How much time/effort are you willing to invest?
But in the end, just have fun!
I have seen guys with those exact same mods hit 160-170ish whp...
Even TurboTom built an NA car that hit 233fwhp and he said it cost alot more to do than his turbo kit.
Going NA in a zetec is not cheap...
But basically to put it in a nut shell, u need a built engine to make some NA power. The only thing you left out was bottom end and tranny. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 76
CEG\'er
|
|
CEG\'er
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 76 |
If you want to make NA horse power, you have to raise the rev limit so in my opinion a chip to raise the rev limiter is necessary to take advantage of cams, and your headwork all of which is going to peak at above 7K rpm.
The ZX1 does not care to live at 7K+ so ARP rod bolts are necessary to keep the rods together.
The focus guys are doing more because the ZX3 aftermarket for their version is hot with products.
Those of us with ZX1 have to import Mondeo pre '98 stuff from the UK which was very expensive even before the dollar died.
The ZX1 intake manifold is a killjoy for mods. Breathing enhancements are not going to work unless this pos is removed for a different version.
m
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,155
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,155 |
A chip is the final stage of modifying your car. Manual or Automatic, you never start with a chip as the first mod. And I can't wait to see how my car reacts when I get mine tuned
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
With an automatic, if you're not doing a lotta mods and are getting an off the shelf chip, then it's the best first mod.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,086
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,086 |
I thought one of the best first mods for a ATX was a Tranny Cooler?
I might get me one down the road.
Jason G.
1997 Mercury Mystique GS ZETEC ATX
Born: 11/96
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
That's the best first non-performance mod.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937 |
You don't need a Tranny Cooler unless you are racing it or running that car 24/7. Since I live in Florida I might as well get one of these just to drive around on a normal summer day. I'm sure most of you guys from Cali would agree on a Tranny Cooler is a good mod. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248
CEG road warrior
|
|
CEG road warrior
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248 |
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,760
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,760 |
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
Just make sure you take your time and do it right...
Team Evo
Staz: You know why they call it Skunkworks?
Everyone: Why?
Staz: Because everything that comes out of it stinks!!!
Steeda-I hate you stazi
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248
CEG road warrior
|
|
CEG road warrior
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,248 |
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
Just make sure you take your time and do it right...
Or you will ruin your radiatior! 
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,760
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,760 |
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
Just make sure you take your time and do it right...
Or you will ruin your radiatior!
Strike 1 strike 2 strike 3 stri oh never mind lol
Team Evo
Staz: You know why they call it Skunkworks?
Everyone: Why?
Staz: Because everything that comes out of it stinks!!!
Steeda-I hate you stazi
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,442
Addicted CEG\'er
|
|
Addicted CEG\'er
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,442 |
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by LoCoZsc:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A tranny cooler is good for ANY atx. Heat is what kills our trannies early.
Just make sure you take your time and do it right...
Or you will ruin your radiatior!
Strike 1 strike 2 strike 3 stri oh never mind lol
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 937 |
How would you ruin your radiatior?
|
|
|
|
|
