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PIA was never near bankrupt. I mean seriously, they have daily flights from JFK (via manchester U.K) to Pakistan.
USAir has flights all around the world and they're damn near liquidation.
Until 2 years ago, PIA was hemmoraging money for over a decade; even when annoucing the purchase deal Boeing, in its' press release stated: "For many years airplane industry officials said Pakistan International Airlines would not return to profitability, renew its fleet or extend its route network."
And, according to numerous experts PIA is actually in worse shape than ever before and has been manipulating the books the past 2 years to say othewise. All evidence most certainly points towards that and independent analysts and the international aviation community agrees.
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They have been saving all this money just for this, If u look at their current fleet, they operate one of the oldest 747-200's, like since 1977!!! thats insane!! Thats why they have all this money, they always leased planes (mainly cathay pacific 747-300)
Saving money? That's not what their financial statements say. They had no cash at all which is why the US government had to back their loans to purchase the new aircraft.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Saving money? That's not what their financial statements say. They had no cash at all which is why the US government had to back their loans to purchase the new aircraft.
well I guess thats what the Pakistani government gets for halping the US fight the war against terror....kinds  
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
this is insane, looks ugly as my ex gf. I'd never fly that
A380
I think it looks old. (I don't know anything about planes, though, just the shape of it...)
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You'd never fly that, Goonz? You must not be a pilot!
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how the drugs does that thing fly? it's HUGE!
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Originally posted by baco99:
how the drugs does that thing fly? it's HUGE!
It IS huge, so big that most airports will have to build new facilities to accomodate it. I have a feeling it's going to go the way of the Concorde...when Concordes were introduced, lots of airlines were interested and placed orders, but most orders got cancelled before delivery.
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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
this is insane, looks ugly as my ex gf. I'd never fly that
A380
Explain how it is ugly? What are you basing it against, and F-16??
It's a frikkin airliner. Looks like a generic airliner, just bigger.
In any case, I couldn't give a crap how it looks as long as I'm comfy, safe and it gets to my destination quickly and QUIETLY!
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It IS huge, so big that most airports will have to build new facilities to accomodate it.
Airports began these changes almost 5 years ago, they wanted this change which is why Boeing wasn't able to sell any of it's proposed new 747X and Airbus sold dozens of the A380. It just didn't make economic sense to keep using the 747 fuse. Airbus designed the A380 with Airports. This is what they wanted to do.
It is far easier and cheaper for them to upgrade what is there to handle larger aircraft than to build more of what they have to handle a larger number of aircraft on the ground. Fewer larger aircraft is a great deal more cheaper, easier, and more efficient to accomodate than a greater nunmber of smaller aircraft. Aircraft movements are expensive, and fewer, larger aircraft means fewer movements. Fewer aircraft mean less redundancy -- less gates, less taxiways, and less runways.
Many large airports have long ago reached capacity, which is why many large cities have 2, 3, 4 airports. Airport expansions cost billions; it will cost an average of just $100M to upgrade an airport to handle the A380. Airports built in the last 20 years accomodate the A380 at almost no cost at all.
Will every airport change? No, of course not. Less than 300 airports in the world accomodate the 747 and it's been around for some 30 years. They didn't change because they didn't need to, and most won't change for the A380. Only 2 dozen airports will need to accomodate the A380 by the year 2010 (up to a maximum of 60 depending on final route choices), only 9 of those are in the US. Almost every airport had completed the physical plant changes or had the plans submitted to the FAA by the end of 2003, a long time ago, and 22 airports will be ready by the time they are needed. The only thing that largely remains is ground operations handling; things like catering trucks and jetways that need to reach the upper level. But that's small potatoes compared to the physical plant upgrades.
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I have a feeling it's going to go the way of the Concorde...when Concordes were introduced, lots of airlines were interested and placed orders, but most orders got cancelled before delivery.
Airlines didn't cancel the Concorde because they and passengers didn't want it, they cancelled the Concorde orders because the Oil Crisis made the price of jet fuel increase exponentially. It no longer made economic sense to use them. On the other hand, the economics behind the A380 become more and more apparent everyday which is why orders are still coming in.
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Originally posted by Kane:
I think it looks old. (I don't know anything about planes, though, just the shape of it...)
Reminds me of the old OVERSIZED guppie transport. Remember that thing??
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Thank you 'sigma'.
Note its called airBUS. Its cheaper to fly 400 people than 100. I believe its the wave of the future. And by the ways , we will all be packies - see all transits systems at rush hour. Imagine these aircraft with shuttle seating......I bet they could fit 600.....
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