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I know y'all have seen this thousands of times before, but I finally got nailed a little while ago. I was on my way home from downtown. A friend and I had decided to go Midnight Bowling, but then reconsidered and decided that we would save our money. On the way home, a cop grabbed us for 66 in a 55. Eleven over. 11. ELEVEN.  I thought he would've said faster, honestly. I was just going with the flow of traffic, but I didn't believe that traffic was moving faster than the limit. Being in the left lane at the time didn't help much. BTW, I don't have a radar detector...yet.  He also flamed me for not having my Class C (unrestricted hours) license. By law I was out "past driving curfew" since I still have my class D license. It was 12:30 at the time and we were on our way home. The officer was stern about pointing this out. I commend him for doing his job, and I guess there really wasn't a way for him to tell if I was being truthful or not, but honestly an 18 yr old kid like me is not going to have much to do past 12:30 unless it's shooting screwdriver vodkas and chasing them with three dozen pancakes. I've never done that either.  So I had to sit there on the side of the road until my not too pleased mother arrived quite some time later. The cop said that we were to wait there until my mum came, and in that time frame, my bud and I sat there in the car and watched him tackle down three more cars, likely for speeding. However, one car did pass with one blown out light and another very dim light, perhaps a parking light, and he seemed to pay it no mind. It makes me wonder if eleven over is more dangerous than driving without my headlights. Maybe next time I'll go carouse the neighborhood without my headlights and say that our local SPD officer didn't pull me over for that, but he nailed me for 66. I guess I'm just frustrated. It's a natural reaction though, I wouldn't expect anybody to be happy after being ticketed not once, but twice. The officer was doing his job, though I wonder why they couldn't be a little happier about writing tickets, because this is valuable Christmas money I'm spending on myself now. My insurance is going to go up now too. Again. He did tell me to have a nice evening, however...  I had the question as to going to court or just paying the fine ($215 total). But I noticed that he wrote on both citations that my car is a '98 Ford Mustang. Hardly. If I accomplish nothing else in court, I will be sure to point out that my citating officer can not differentiate between Mustangs and Escorts, especially considering that he had to call in my license/registration. Not to mention "ESCORT ZX2" is blatantly stamped directly in the middle of the back bumper of my car. Does this mistake of his change anything? Can I use this as a foothold against him? I've never been pulled over or gone to court for anything in my life before so this is a new experience to me. Advice? Tips? It's all welcome here, unless you're going to talk down on me, in which case there will be some moderators taking a walk through this thread.  Thanks again for reading. Wish it was a better story though [sigh...] -SAV
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Does this mistake of his change anything? Can I use this as a foothold against him?
Mistaking the make/model of a car doesn't significantly change anything unless it was something totally blatantly wrong -- like he wrote Peterbilt Tractor on the ticket, and even that probably wouldn't change too much because the ticket is against you as a person, not the car. Things like parking tickets are much easier to dispute based on mistakes with the make/model of a car as long as they're significantly wrong.
You can bring it up, but the judge will simply ask if you were the one that received the ticket; and of course it would be wise to be truthful to him.
As a first offense, unless the rules are different for those with Class D's, you should be able to take defensive driving and not have to worry about your insurance going up as long as you don't get another ticket in the next few months.
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-The fact that he wrote Mustang on the ticket shouldn't change anything, after all the drive is getting the ticket, not the car.
-Someone will probably come in and crap on you saying "well you broke the law, blah blah"
-Get a Valentine 1, its not perfect and I have been ticketed with it, but every bit helps.
-Even if it means borrowing money from mom or putting it on a credit card I would suggest hiring a lawyer, it shouldn't cost that much and in the end it could save your neck, and insurance money.
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you broke the law and DESERVE what you got you little punk! stop trying to get out of it and just be a man and own up to it! i hope you thanked the officer for pointing out the error of your ways.  ps just kidding. since no one had come in and bashed you yet i thought id break the ice. 
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Dude I have bee in your shoes many times unfortunately  My advice to you would be this: First of all take it to court no matter what! Its always better to try and get it knocked down or "fixed" than not at all. I know the laws in every state are different as far as reporting goes but here in MN if you get a ticket between 56-64 mph it will not go on your reccord. Also some insurance companies wont even find out if its less than 10mph over the limit. If I would have known this whenI got my first ticket this year I would have fought my 66 in a 55 so that it wouldnt have gone on my reccord. Go to court and talk to the Prosecuter and see if you can work something out. 66 in a 55 is about the easiest violation to get out of concerning speed and im sure you could get it knocked down to under 10mph or an arrangement that if you dont get another ticket in the next 6 monthes it wont go on your reccord(that was another plea bargin my buddy took in HS.) Your really not out all that much if you go try and bargin over it. The court will likely not want to waste their time and money over something as minor as this and youll be able to save some $$ and your insurance! Yeah you should have been driving slower at an earlier time but oh well thats life. Its not like you were doing this in a residential neighborhood and its not like your going unpunished. I'm sure your parents laid into you pretty good and if they were like mine made sure I would never do it again. It was your first offense and the court will likely go easy on you. Im sure your not going to be tearing around the streets after this incident so theres no loss for them to lessen the charges or let you off. Insurance for an 18y/o male with a coupe is outrageous and you need to do everythig you can to keep your reccord clean. Its just unfair how they take such advantage of younger drivers. I know their not the best drivers but I have sceen too many poor, older & especially elderly drivers out there and their rates dont get jacked up as high as yours will if you dont get this taken care of. So go to court and Git-R-Done! 
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for the trial you go before the district magistrate. sometimes they will drop the points and let you take a driving class. if they dont you have the option of appealing at a higher court.
thursday i go to a magistrate for my most recent ticket, drifting through a stopsign. im trying to get the points dropped, the fine for the ticket is meaningless compared to the cost of insurance rate increase. if they do not let me drop the points, i will not be getting a spec flywheel, but instead appealing and hiring a lawyer. i dont want a lawyer if i dont have to get one. respond "not guilty" to teh ticket fast. after 10 day you get a warrent for your arrest and impending license suspension. (i know this too well, happened to me for my last 3 citations)
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Yeah I forgot to state that in my other post. If its like MN at all you can go in to the prosecuter yourself without a lawyer, which is wha tI reccomend. Its not a DUI its a 11mph violation! Only get a lawyer if the prosecuter makes you go through a court in which they would have to reschedul a court date and you could find one in the time between.
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Why dont you go into court say " I was braking the law and dont want to suffer any consequences".
Take some responbility here god damn, you broke the law now pay the ticket.
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That is nothing. I got rolled for 100 in a 70 in the left lane. He was outside of his car gunning. He had written me up 90/70. He gunned me at 91, but at the time I thought I was going 100. Nice conditions, left lane, leading the pack. BTW I was told to get out of the car, searched, cuffed, sat in the back of a cop car, while he searched my car. Found NOTHING. Because I don't smoke pot! But he insisted that he saw pieces of mary jane on the seats and floor (I cut lawns). So he finds nothing and continues to accuse me of smoking the reefer. Not at the time, but that I had before. So finally he lets me off with a 90/70 ticket. I had a sweet deal going...I was going to get off with no points and just a fine! Well...I didn't have a clean record.  I got it down to one point 80 / 70. I had an attorney for this. What really bugged me was he seemed to stereotype me as the rich suburban college kid who smokes pot. "So you're headin back to the suburbs." In the end I worked it out in court(kinda), but it's not worth it. Don't speed! 
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Take it to court, if the cop doesn't show up the ticket gets dropped so you have got nothing to lose. If they write the wrong info on the ticket then the judge will usually dismiss the ticket or make you pay a fine and no points.
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I got off one with a lawyer because he wrote '48 Z-28 instead of '84 Z-28. Your best bet is to schedule a court date. Then a couple of days before reschedule another date. Chances are he won't show.
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
Why dont you go into court say " I was braking the law and dont want to suffer any consequences".
Take some responbility here god damn, you broke the law now pay the ticket.
Why don't you get the hell out of my thread?
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FIRST: Thanks a lot though guys, for those of you that were helpful.  Like I said earlier, never been in a situation like this before, so any and every piece of advice I can get will be useful. How much does the average lawyer/attorney cost? I'm pretty sure they are easy to find here in Savannah. I don't know the first thing to say when I get in the court room. It's scheduled for January 19th. I don't want to bank on the cop not showing up because if that's my only defense and he shows, then I'll be screwed a new one. I have a feeling that it will be difficult to get TWO tickets cleared (one for speeding, one for curfew) by the judge. Honestly, I'll pay any amount of money I need to but I really can not afford points on my license. Mom was complaining all last night that now our insurance is going to triple and they might drop us now, blah blah blah... I mean, I realise my faults and everything but has an insurance company ever dropped somebody because of one ticket for eleven over? It seems a bit overkill if this has happened. But yeah, I need to get rid of this car and get something with four doors because the insurance on a two door is ridiculous. Even if only an Escort. And I hate having to fold seats so people can get in the back. GAH! The cop DID ask me if I wanted to exercise my right to check his radar gun calibration, but I declined figuring I didn't need to piss him off any more than I already did. Guess now I just have to sit here and wait. At least the car wasn't impounded. -SAV
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Quit being a baby and pay the ticket.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Quit being a baby and pay the ticket.
I fail to see where I've acted childish. 
You, however, seem to be a professional at it.
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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Quit being a baby and pay the ticket.
I fail to see where I've acted childish.
Whining about your getting a ticket when you WERE BREAKING THE LAW seems rather childish to me. You called the tune, now pay the piper.
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I'm asking for advice. I already stated in a previous post, if you bothered to read before shooting off a reply, that I am willing to "pay the piper". All I said was I had never been in this situation before. Again, I'll ask you to point out my childishness. Find where I called the cop a douche or was bitchy about getting pulled over. If you're going to have the exceptionally annoying ability to fire off my flaws via name-calling (generally associated with immaturity, which so far I see more in you than in myself) then be sure you have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise your argument reveals a poor attempt to attack me on your part, and thus you've gotten nowhere in making me feel worse about myself. That is, if that really was your intent. -SAV
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Quit being a baby and pay the ticket.
I fail to see where I've acted childish.
Whining about your getting a ticket when you WERE BREAKING THE LAW seems rather childish to me. You called the tune, now pay the piper.
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So what?
Ok first off he was braking the law. Second you don't have to get an attorney. and C my parents are attorneys sooo mommy and daddy helped me out.
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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
I'm asking for advice. I already stated in a previous post, if you bothered to read before shooting off a reply, that I am willing to "pay the piper". All I said was I had never been in this situation before. Again, I'll ask you to point out my childishness. Find where I called the cop a douche or was bitchy about getting pulled over.
If you're going to have the exceptionally annoying ability to fire off my flaws via name-calling (generally associated with immaturity, which so far I see more in you than in myself) then be sure you have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise your argument reveals a poor attempt to attack me on your part, and thus you've gotten nowhere in making me feel worse about myself. That is, if that really was your intent.
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All I'm saying is, you got a ticket, pay up, end of story. If you want to take your chances in court that's up to you but I'm sick of reading these threads posted by people who get busted when they were clearly breaking the law and ask for advice on how to either wiggle out of it or look for some excuse how to get out of it. If that's not your intent, fine, but that's how most of these threads pan out.
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i would fight the ticket and never admit responsibility. Even when you try to do the stand up thing often times they will not give you a break. In New York State, your ticket would be immediately thrown out because he wrote the wrong type of vehicle on it. If I were you I wouldn't disrespect the cop but I would say that you believe that he simply made a mistake and pulled the wrong vehicle over. that he must have saw a m ustang speeding but pulled you over accidentally and that you weren't speeding. When you go to court, make yourself look like a responsible adult. go in in dockers and a nice shirt and try to pull the image thing off
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
I'm asking for advice. I already stated in a previous post, if you bothered to read before shooting off a reply, that I am willing to "pay the piper". All I said was I had never been in this situation before. Again, I'll ask you to point out my childishness. Find where I called the cop a douche or was bitchy about getting pulled over.
If you're going to have the exceptionally annoying ability to fire off my flaws via name-calling (generally associated with immaturity, which so far I see more in you than in myself) then be sure you have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise your argument reveals a poor attempt to attack me on your part, and thus you've gotten nowhere in making me feel worse about myself. That is, if that really was your intent.
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All I'm saying is, you got a ticket, pay up, end of story. If you want to take your chances in court that's up to you but I'm sick of reading these threads posted by people who get busted when they were clearly breaking the law and ask for advice on how to either wiggle out of it or look for some excuse how to get out of it. If that's not your intent, fine, but that's how most of these threads pan out.
What's wrong if you can wiggle your way out of these things? It's a speeding ticket, sheesh, he didn't kill someone.
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Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
Even when you try to do the stand up thing often times they will not give you a break.
I got a ticket for 64 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court and talked to the judge. I admitted guilt and asked if I could get the ticket deferred. The judge agreed and all I had to do was waste a Saturday afternoon in traffic school and pay the "tuition" and court costs. You can attract more flies with manuer than honey. 
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Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
I'm asking for advice. I already stated in a previous post, if you bothered to read before shooting off a reply, that I am willing to "pay the piper". All I said was I had never been in this situation before. Again, I'll ask you to point out my childishness. Find where I called the cop a douche or was bitchy about getting pulled over.
If you're going to have the exceptionally annoying ability to fire off my flaws via name-calling (generally associated with immaturity, which so far I see more in you than in myself) then be sure you have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise your argument reveals a poor attempt to attack me on your part, and thus you've gotten nowhere in making me feel worse about myself. That is, if that really was your intent.
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All I'm saying is, you got a ticket, pay up, end of story. If you want to take your chances in court that's up to you but I'm sick of reading these threads posted by people who get busted when they were clearly breaking the law and ask for advice on how to either wiggle out of it or look for some excuse how to get out of it. If that's not your intent, fine, but that's how most of these threads pan out.
What's wrong if you can wiggle your way out of these things? It's a speeding ticket, sheesh, he didn't kill someone.
It's this neat little thing called Personal Responsibility. Perhaps you have heard of it? It's severely lacking in todays America.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
Even when you try to do the stand up thing often times they will not give you a break.
I got a ticket for 64 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court and talked to the judge. I admitted guilt and asked if I could get the ticket deferred. The judge agreed and all I had to do was waste a Saturday afternoon in traffic school and pay the "tuition" and court costs. You can attract more flies with manuer than honey.
I've done this too. I just don't see the problem of working things out in court.
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Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
Even when you try to do the stand up thing often times they will not give you a break.
I got a ticket for 64 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court and talked to the judge. I admitted guilt and asked if I could get the ticket deferred. The judge agreed and all I had to do was waste a Saturday afternoon in traffic school and pay the "tuition" and court costs. You can attract more flies with manuer than honey.
I've done this too. I just don't see the problem of working things out in court.
In my experience, judges are more willing to work with you if you admit your mistakes rather than try to make excuses.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
Even when you try to do the stand up thing often times they will not give you a break.
I got a ticket for 64 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court and talked to the judge. I admitted guilt and asked if I could get the ticket deferred. The judge agreed and all I had to do was waste a Saturday afternoon in traffic school and pay the "tuition" and court costs. You can attract more flies with manuer than honey.
I've done this too. I just don't see the problem of working things out in court.
In my experience, judges are more willing to work with you if you admit your mistakes rather than try to make excuses.
Most of my tickets have never gone to court. I'd set up a formal hearing, meet with the prosecuting att and work out a deal. Which is what happened this time around. Informal hearings are totally diff.
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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
How much does the average lawyer/attorney cost? I'm pretty sure they are easy to find here in Savannah.
I think I used to pay about $200-250, and that is in NY where everything is more expensive, so it should be cheaper there.
A lot of the advice some people have given you might not be applicable, as many of these laws vary state-to-state. I know we don't have traffic school in NY, and if a cop doesn't show, you can still get prosecuted, only a lawyer knows the law in your state the best.
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trust me, dont admit guilt. this is how the state makes money. As soon as you say "I did it BUT...." they say "Well you still did it and it was illegal and you are guilty" And you find yourself paying a nice $100 ticket. I don't see how anyone can confuse an escort with a Mustang. Maybe back in the late 80's but not a ZX2. I think there is a legitamate shot that he got the wrong guy. You can also say that you had your cruise control set to something like 60 mph and that there is no way that you were going that fast. You have a lot of options. Don't admit guilt, and show up looking and acting like a responsible adult and you stand a good chance. Also ask around and see if anyone you know knows people in high places! That helped me out once of a unregistered uninsured ticket!!!!!
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You can also say that you had your cruise control set to something like 60 mph and that there is no way that you were going that fast....and show up looking and acting like a responsible adult and you stand a good chance.
Oh the irony.
"Act like a responsible adult but lie to a judge about what you were doing".
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Welcome to America. Lies run our country, hell, lies run the damn world.
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Oh the irony.
"Act like a responsible adult but lie to a judge about what you were doing".
you know what, the govt has lied to the people for years, let the people get one by on the government too. going 11mph over the limit accidentally is not a crime for crying out loud
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Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
you know what, the govt has lied to the people for years... going 11mph over the limit accidentally is not a crime
ROFL!!! Going over the limit is a crime, a very small one yes, but still a crime. The limit is there so people don't go nuts. Capp, I agree with you to a point. I used to be under the assumption that the speed limit was in fact the 'fastest a car can safely travel' on a given stretch of road. That was until I read for a class that the 55mph limit was put in by the government to ... save gas. Anyways, bring a camera next time you get caught speeding. I want to see the officers face when you tell him that speeding isn't a crime  But the limit is there for a point and even if you don't agree with it, you have to obey it. 
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