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Originally posted by Smokeshow:
And turbo kits for hondas don't cost $5,000.
Throw in the price of another manifold and collector pipe, bigger injectors, intercooler pump and resevoir for the intercooler, a turbo blanket, and a custom tuned chip and the civic turbo kits would probably be right around our kits. I didnt do too much research but brand new civic turbo kits on ebay sell for $3150.
Jim Hahn
1996 T-Red Contour SE Reborn 4/6/04
3.0L swap and Arizona Dyno Chip Turbo Kit
364 whp, 410 wtq @ 4,700 rpm
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I think Smokeshow's been smoking too much as he doesn't seem to get the point, even when broken down into Business 101 terms.  Also anything with 500hp is not going to get any better than 15mpg - it's simple physics...to make power you need to burn more fule=more gas=lower mileage. Note: ssumich's car puts down, to the wheels, 400hp, at the crank you're "approaching" close to 500hp. The engine could possibly put out more, but the options for harnessing this sort of power, i.e. transmission, driveshaft and suspension upgrades are the next limiting factors. Why can't you be happy with getting this sort of output from a small 4-door without havig a car that looks like a gutted Civic dragster? 
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You know once again you guys are great!
Yes, I would be saving on gas because in my truck I get 7-9 MPG. Yeah, 700 hp tends to do that. And I can not be happy with a civic because it is not a Ford and lastly because it is not an SVT.
I will find and answer. And I will have 500 hp in one of these damn cars. I just don't want to come to terms with spending more on this car to make less hp than my truck. Just doesn't seem logical. But sadly, it looks as if I will eventually, unless I can find a good motor swap other than the 3.0. But once again guys, thanks for helping me out.
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Smokeshow,
You've got to be able to take what some people say on here with a grain of salt.
With that said, you are comparing your factory Supercharged, 5.4L RWD Lightning truck, to a N/A 2.5L Family Sedan.
What are you trying to accomplish with your Contour? Are you wanting to set it up for drag racing? Trying to swap any motor in, other than a 3.0L will most likely cost you over $10,000 alone. And are you really going to attempt that, just to save $1000.00 on a turbo kit? I guess it all depends on what you are shooting for, and how much money you want to spend.
Mark
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3.0L Hybrid - 206fwhp & 195fwtq
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Have ADC build you a turbo kit with a T-66 and pray that the rods and pistons stay together.
Jim Hahn
1996 T-Red Contour SE Reborn 4/6/04
3.0L swap and Arizona Dyno Chip Turbo Kit
364 whp, 410 wtq @ 4,700 rpm
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Originally posted by Stazi:
I think Smokeshow's been smoking too much as he doesn't seem to get the point, even when broken down into Business 101 terms.
Also anything with 500hp is not going to get any better than 15mpg - it's simple physics...to make power you need to burn more fule=more gas=lower mileage.
Note: ssumich's car puts down, to the wheels, 400hp, at the crank you're "approaching" close to 500hp. The engine could possibly put out more, but the options for harnessing this sort of power, i.e. transmission, driveshaft and suspension upgrades are the next limiting factors.
Why can't you be happy with getting this sort of output from a small 4-door without havig a car that looks like a gutted Civic dragster?
hehe, I was so happy when I drove back from AZ and posted nearly 350 or more to the tank. . .because now, in the city, racing prick's with M3's and other household exotics, my tank is almost empty and I've only driven 140miles!!!  I'll be lucky to hit 180, which, like Stazi mentioned, is about 15mpg. Yup, that much hp translates to no gas mileage. . .oh well,
I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.
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Originally posted by ssmumich00:
hehe, I was so happy when I drove back from AZ and posted nearly 350 or more to the tank. . .because now, in the city, racing prick's with M3's and other household exotics, my tank is almost empty and I've only driven 140miles!!! I'll be lucky to hit 180, which, like Stazi mentioned, is about 15mpg. Yup, that much hp translates to no gas mileage. . .oh well,
I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.
Not to easy to do, huh? I know.... 
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Knuckles rebuilt w/new bearings $55
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Gutted pre-cats $80/set
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Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You know once again you guys are great!
Yes, I would be saving on gas because in my truck I get 7-9 MPG. Yeah, 700 hp tends to do that. And I can not be happy with a civic because it is not a Ford and lastly because it is not an SVT.
I will find and answer. And I will have 500 hp in one of these damn cars. I just don't want to come to terms with spending more on this car to make less hp than my truck. Just doesn't seem logical. But sadly, it looks as if I will eventually, unless I can find a good motor swap other than the 3.0. But once again guys, thanks for helping me out.
To put everything in retrospect:
Buckshot spent 32,000$ on building his supercharged 400Hp monster.
have a nice day
3.0 SVT hybrid...all the fixens...Track/Race ready very soon!!!!!! 20,000 + miles
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I want the car to do everything it could before and I want it to ride like it is on rails and I want it to scare the majority of the people out there when they pull up next to it. And yes, I know that you have to pay to play and the more you pay the more you can play. But it just seems like this car, can not be fast without spending and obsurd amount of money on it. I am going to have to come to terms with spending that much or move on apparently.
Mark,
Thanks for your honesty and not sounding like and @$$ when you say it. Guess some people on here do have tact still.
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Wow!
$32,000 for 400 hp?
I did talk to ADC about building a complete kit to accomplish what I want. $12,000-$15,000 Complete turn key.
3.0 and all corresponding parts and turbo kit to get it done. It just sounded like more than I wanted to spend at this point and time on a car that will never truly be really fast due to being FF. Everyone seems to act like I have not even tried to find answers or that I have not done any research. The day will come, and I will find an answer. There are new cars and motors out all the time. Sooner or later there will be a bigger motor and that has a aftermarket to support it.
Yes, I love the fact that these cars are rare and that basically no two are alike. But there comes a point when you have to realize that they all are essentially the same. Some just have more money into them.
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