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Does/should the Korematsu case have some bearing here?
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Does/should the Korematsu case have some bearing here?
Thank you for adding this. I just started reading about the case. Very interesting.
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I see the battle as one of ideals. Unfortunately, we're sacrificing our ideals because we're too focused on people. Everytime we step away from our ideals, the terrorists win.
Sure, we win battles when we arrest and kill terrorists, but we can't give up ground and sacrifice our ideals. A few lives are worth sacrtificing to keep American free.
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Would you still say that if your family were the "few lives worth sacrificing"? I don't think so. At least I wouldn't. 
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Personalizing policy decisions generally make for bad policy decisions. However, I do say it being fully aware that someone I love has every bit as much of a chance of being included as anyone else.
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What I'm getting at is, if this became a US Gov. policy, you would be onboard with it, correct?
If, due to this policy, your family was killed by a terrorist act, would you reconsider your support for this policy?
Please, correct me if I'm reading you wrong on this.
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Originally posted by TBoomer:
What I'm getting at is, if this became a US Gov. policy, you would be onboard with it, correct?
If, due to this policy, your family was killed by a terrorist act, would you reconsider your support for this policy?
Please, correct me if I'm reading you wrong on this.
While I can't speak for ZZD (so I will post my own opinion), I would like to think that I would still support the policy. The loss of many loved ones in my life has lead me to be a little bit of a fatalist.
On a slight tangent. I have to ask for those that seem to have the attitude that "anything is worth it, to save one (American) life" Does that apply to other things? Or just terrorism? For I am a numbers kind of guy, and on the list of preventable deaths in the US, terrorism doesn't even score high enough to be statistically significant.
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Originally posted by TBoomer:
I just think it's stupid to throw caution out out the window to save nothing but an extra 20-40 minutes in a line at an airport...or God forbid, you can't listen to some music on your flight. I suppose it is a matter of perspective and priority. The one that makes me laugh, though, are the people who are angry because they can't carry their shampoo on the plane. Who the hell washes their hair on a plane? Now, snake repellant, I could see... 
Most business travellers, who make up the vast majority of domestic travellers, don't check their bags. Therefore they carry everything they need for the week on their carry-on. For some people this could mean shampoo if they bring their own. For others it's lotions, makeups, contact lens solution, any countless other things.
For these people, not only are they having to arrive at the airport 1 to 2 hours earlier (and up to 3 if your airport isn't well setup for security) they now have to stand around after arriving for at least another 30 minutes. If you fly 2, 3, 4 times a week as many business travellers such as myself do, that adds up to a LOT of extra time. Time that's usually coming out of your probably already limited personal time.
And to make matters worse, aircraft have been designed around the fact that XX% of passengers won't check their luggage. And, occassionally, bags still didn't fit on planes. Now that these people are checking their stuff too a much larger percentage of baggage isn't fitting on the planes. Which means these business travellers now have a greater chance of arriving somewhere and being without their luggage while on a business trip -- not the kind of position many people want to find themselves in if they don't have this liquid they find so necessary.
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Yes. I have never posted what I think without being able to support it if it were implemented. I would continue to support it even if someone I loved died. Liberty is worth it.
Tell me why you can carry knitting needles or a 7" wrench on a plane, but lip gloss is banned? There is no logic to the rules, as I am far more worried about what a knitting needle can do. I think banning basic toiletries is paranoid. Basic consumer electronics are now permitted, so the MP3 player is safe.
Also, keep in mind that passenger planes carry a substantial portion of the nation's air freight. If the number/voulme/weight of checked luggage increases, then the ability to carry cargo decreases. This reduces a revenue stream for the airline which will either lead to higher ticket prices and/or losses within the industry.
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