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Posted By: cedron Timing with the hydraulic camshaft sprocket - 08/12/06 02:16 PM
I'm new to having a Contour and still learning to do maintenance on my own car, so please bear with me if I ask something that is obvious to all of you. But, I hope someone can help direct me what to do.

I've got an early-model 1998 (built in 11/97) silver Contour SE. The timing belt sheared off a few teeth a week ago, so a friend of mine has been helping me replace it. He's done several timing belts before, but never seen a hydraulic sprocket like on my Contour.

I've read all the directions in the Chiltons and the Haynes manual and I've read the revised timing instructions and all the timing posts here on this forum. All the instructions say to hold the sprockets with the tool. But this sprocket obviously doesn't have any forks. And it has that hydraulic chamber on the end instead of a bolt.

So I've very carefully followed all the instructions on this forum and elsewhere to align the timing, but we can't get the car to start. When I algin the camshafts with the crankshaft and top dead center, the back camshaft stays aligned, but the front one always goes slightly unaligned when I rotate the crankshaft.

I can't figure out how I am supposed to adjust the front camshaft properly.

Can anyone help and tell me how I am supposed to adjust this front camshaft?

Or am I way off base and it is something else totally different trick I need to do?

Here's a picture of my camshaft sprockets with the hydraulic one on the right.




k first of its not hydraulic, its spring loaded.

Its just the zetec crap thats got u stuck.

First of all, get the motor in the TDC position.

You will notice the cam ends have a slit in them, have the thinner section facing the sky on the cams. At tdc u want the crank and the intake to be perfect (2nd cam).

Then look at the one u call hydraulic, you just need to put tension on the sproket spring. So remove the belt while the intake is locked and use a T-50 socket to move the exhaust cam 1 tooth up or down until you see the ends of the cams match up.

Intall the belt after u adjust say 1 tooth in either direction and then turn the motor over by hand, after 2 revolutions check the intake and exhast at TDC. IF the exhaust is not matching, say its over or under the line (looking at the ends) then move it 1 tooth at a time up or down by removing the belt and following the procedure all over again.

Make sure u cycle it a few times since the cam is spring loaded it tends to vary about 30degs in either direction.

The engine will start close to a setting but run really rough.

Get some pics of the other side of the sprokets (near the spark coils and ill tell u if u have it in the correct position).

use the following instructions to tension the tensioner since over/under tension can cause problems later.(bottom of page).


http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/us70444.htm

Good luck
just remember when adjusting the intake that the more tension you give to that exhaust cam, the more it will pass the desired point, therefore most of the time you end up turning it 1 tooth back rather than forward.

Just make sure u keep the intake locked with the metal plate they recommend in the manual.

If u have any ques dont hesistate to ask.

Also make sure u replace the idlers/tensioners(they are rusted in the pics). Mine ran into a few problems due to a fauly idler at the bottom.
i made a mistake above....

"just remember when adjusting the exhaust cam , the more tension you give to the sprocket exhaust cam, the more it will offset the coil end (rotates more counter clock
When you time it, both of the cam sprockets should be loose. The cam on the right has a plug in the end for oil. You should remove that plug so you can loosen the cam sprocket. There are slots on the cams to hold them with a wrench. Make sure #1 is at TDC and use the Cam tool to put in the slots on the back of the cam to line them up. It is also nice to have the crank pin to make sure you are exactly at TDC. The crank Pin and Cam holder can be bought in a set for about $25. Put the belt on and then adjust the tensioner to take the slack out of the belt. That is why the sprockets need to be loose. They are not keyed and spin freely when loose. Hold the cams with a wrench and tighten the sprockets up. Use a wrench to hold the cams, don't think the cam tool will hold it, it can break. You should be good to go then. It is very important to get the timing correct because you have the VCT solenoid. You didn't say if you had the crank pin and the cam holding tool but it is well worth the $25 to get it right.
seems pretty complex. Why in the world would u want to loosen the sprockets. Even the manual says to just lock the cams on each side of the block. The one end has the tool u mentioned but the sprockets themselves wont really spin (the intake anyways). Just make sure u mark where the exhaust was and u dont have to loosen the sprockets, ive serviced my timing belt quite a bit due to the offcenter problem which actually may just be my imagination since ur belt looks the exact same as mine.

I would say loosening the sprockets can cause u more problems.

Good luck
BTW check ur tensioner setting, it looks too tight. Follow the instructions in that link i posted, you should start at the 4 o clock position.

Good luck
Thanks, guys, these are excellent replies. I really appreciate the help. To answer a few questions you guys gave:

--Thanks for the correction on the "hydraulic" sprocket. Glad to understand it is spring loaded. See, I told you I would get stuff wrong.
--I have the cam holder, but what it the crank pin? I've never heard of that.
--We set it with the cam holder the first time, but did not do the revolutions before putting everything back together. That was our big waste of time. Now we have to go back and follow these instructions more carefully.
--Thanks, i'll check out the idler pulley more closely. These pictures came out WAY more orange than my car really looks. The sprockets are not really rusted at all although they look that way in these picts. In actuallity they are a dull yellow color with no rust.
--You're exactly right that my tensioner is too tight. We did the best we could figure out with the crappy chilton's and Haynes manuals, but I've now read the much better instructions on this forum and will follow your instructions.
--When I can finally get it running, I'll let you know if the belt ends running off center or not.

My friend (who is much more automotive-inclined than I am) is coming over tonight and we will work from all of your advice. Thanks very much.

If anyone has any additional advice, I will take all I can get.
cool these are the instructions for the tensioner.

REVISED TIMING BELT & TENSION SETUP ON 2.0L

Shop manuals are indispensable tools for looking up disassembly/ installation procedures, specifications, diagnostic and service information. But sometimes errors occur in printed manuals, which makes life interesting for the poor guy who doesn't know the manual is incorrect. An example here is the timing belt and tensioner setup procedure that Ford originally published for the 1998-2000 Contour, Escort ZX2, 2000 Focus, 1998-2000 Mercury Mystique and 1999-2000 Mercury Cougar with 2.0L engine. Ford TSB 99-25-4 provides the following corrected information:

To achieve proper timing belt tension on this engine, Ford says the camshaft sprocket bolts should be loosened enough to permit the sprockets to turn freely on the camshafts. Once this has been done, rotate the crankshaft clockwise so cylinder No. 1 is at top dead center. Then, install the camshaft alignment tool in the camshaft slots to hold the cams in place.

Back out the tensioner bolt four full turns and position the tensioner so the locating tab is at approximately the 4 o'clock position. Line up the hex key slot in the tensioner-adjusting washer with the pointer that is located behind the pulley.

Working counterclockwise from the crank sprocket, install the timing belt.

Rotate the tensioner locating tab counterclockwise and insert the locating tab into the slot in the rear timing cover.

Position the hex key slot in the tensioner-adjusting washer to the 4 o'clock position.p>

Tighten the attaching bolt enough to seat the tensioner firmly against the rear timing cover, but still allow the tensioner adjusting washer to be rotated using a 6 mm hex key.

Using the hex key, rotate the adjusting washer counterclockwise until the notch in the pointer is centered over the index line on the locating tab. (The pointer will move in a clockwise direction during adjustment).

While holding the adjusting washer in position, torque the attaching bolt to 18 lb-ft (25 N.m).

Note: If the pointer does not remain centered over the index line during final tightening, loosen the bolt and repeat the procedure beginning with step 4.




As for the exhuast, its not that hard, just move the exhaust cam 1 tooth up or down after turning the engine over a few times by hand. You will see at the TDC position, if they dont match up then u need to adjust the exhaust once again.

The car will start with an exhaust error but run rough, so just turn it over by hand until they match up perfectly. you will see that the exhaust cam shaft stops to load up which the intake moves all the time, just make sure u compare them at TDC. Then u are ready to assemble it and give it a test start.

Over tension will make the belt run offcenter and hit, thats what mine did.

Make sure u inspect all idlers because once they go ure done, my belt got stripped when the bottom (little idler) broke apart and stripped the walls. MAke sure u spend the extra cash and do the job once. The offcenter thing is more of a long term effect, the car will run fine but the belt will feel excess stress if the belt is running into the outer walls (never runs into the block for some reason LOL).

Good luck,
Ciprian
Originally posted by Dec1000:
When you time it, both of the cam sprockets should be loose. The cam on the right has a plug in the end for oil. You should remove that plug so you can loosen the cam sprocket. There are slots on the cams to hold them with a wrench. Make sure #1 is at TDC and use the Cam tool to put in the slots on the back of the cam to line them up. It is also nice to have the crank pin to make sure you are exactly at TDC. The crank Pin and Cam holder can be bought in a set for about $25. Put the belt on and then adjust the tensioner to take the slack out of the belt. That is why the sprockets need to be loose. They are not keyed and spin freely when loose. Hold the cams with a wrench and tighten the sprockets up. Use a wrench to hold the cams, don't think the cam tool will hold it, it can break. You should be good to go then. It is very important to get the timing correct because you have the VCT solenoid. You didn't say if you had the crank pin and the cam holding tool but it is well worth the $25 to get it right.




Listen to DEC1000 he has been there done that, and is correct on this matter.
it looks like hes already done the timing belt so he went the easy route... LOL..

Just needs to adjust the exhaust.
check this link

http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=zetecmaint&Number=1030658&Forum=All_Forums&Words=20705&Match=Username&Searchpage=16&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=1027032&Search=true#Post1030658
So in my case, maybe the belt is hitting the bottom cover. Ill take a look at it. Since its running fine on the sides, its just rubbing on the edge somewhere.

Ill get my local buddy (he just loves hondas tho) and he'll figure it out for me.

I figure its either rubbing the bottom or middler cover. it looks frayed on the edge. Im just worried bcs its my moms car, otherwise it would be fine with me LOL.

Sounds like it's hitting something. Or a roller is jammed or dragging. Check the inside of top, middle, and bottom cover, you should see it. But as the belt gets old I think the front edge starts to wear, and the cords come out.
Check out the link that Jd2-98s posted. It shows how to hold the cam with the wrench like I was talking about. Leaving the sprockets loose, lets the sprockets turn to get the slack out and the proper tension on the belt. After you get it set tighten them back up. The crank pin I am talking about, screws in the block and the crank rests againest it to make sure you are exactly at TDC. It is a good idea to replace your tensioner and idlers while doing the timing belt job. If you will give me your email, I will send you some good instructions. It has good pictures. You can PM me if you don't want to put it on this page.
Welcome cedron . Read this thread and all the linked threads in it. It has all the good advice you need.
Awesome advice everyone. Thanks a ton especially for the links to the old posts with pictures.

My friend didn't make it over tonight. So it'll be a little more delay before letting you guys know how it went. I'll let you know as soon as we are done.

Tony2005, I tried that link the past and that one really confused me. I had no idea what to do with the exhaust sprocket since it is so different from the manual. You can't use their holding device or anything it says.

All this stuff in this thread is really helping me out. Thanks everybody.
Originally posted by Dec1000:
Check out the link that Jd2-98s posted. It shows how to hold the cam with the wrench like I was talking about. Leaving the sprockets loose, lets the sprockets turn to get the slack out and the proper tension on the belt. After you get it set tighten them back up. The crank pin I am talking about, screws in the block and the crank rests againest it to make sure you are exactly at TDC. It is a good idea to replace your tensioner and idlers while doing the timing belt job. If you will give me your email, I will send you some good instructions. It has good pictures. You can PM me if you don't want to put it on this page.




Awesome thanks. I sent the PM to you.
you can use their holding device, but its pointless because the cam sprocket for the exhaust will spin anyways. The holding device is just good for the intake at TDC and the exhaust just takes a little time but less than 30 min if uve done it before. I have to try this pin idea, ive never seen it done. My method worked and the car runs like new.

Looks like the belt is hitting something in my case. Ill see next week after my last exam.

Good luck guys.
Maybe your belt running off center has something to do with not getting the tension right since you didn't loosen the sprockets. Tight in places and loose in others.
VCT = the devil
dec1000,

is there a procedure how to on this sprocket idea. I just locked the cams and swapped the parts plus a new belt. The tension in any belt is distributed evenly, theres no such thing as variable tension in a belt once the motor is spinning.

I just dont feel like loosening up the sprockets, after i finished up the timing between the intake and exhaust. The mechanics manual never mentioned looseing the sprockets and my mechanics havent mentioned it either. I dont want to cause more damage by blindly following this idea.
I can email you the instructions for doing a timing job which clearly states to do this in there. If they are not loose, When you tighten your tensioner it takes the slack out of only the side the tensioner is on. There could be slack between your cam sprockets and on the other side. If your way worked for you, good. This is the correct way.
With the VCT it is very important that you get the timing correct or you will get a check engine light with the PO1381 or PO1383 code.
can you please email me the instructions. Thanks

BTW i dont know how ur engine is but i did it without loosening the sprockets, just varied the spring up and down and no check engine codes. The car runs as it always did, nice clean idle.

I got those error codes when my bottom idler went out. But now its just the offcenter problem probably from that bottom idler again. I need to check the case and see how its running.

The vct feature isnt that bad, its pretty easy to set it up. Plus the belt will have the same tension with the engine running. The tensioner just takes slack out of the intake i believe, the exhaust to crank will ALWAYS have more tension since the motor is pulling on it. Thats why theres a tensioner. Your concept makes senses if there was no tensioner, then both sides would need to have equal tension and the crank would still pull more on one side.

In any case i want to see these instructions, i saw ur pics but it seems like it might be too much of a hassle. I just wanted to clear this up for future users so we have a finalized method. My mechanic fried does these timing belts in like 30 min LOL....
Off topic Question
Does VCT engines have different size idler pullies than Non VCT? I was looking at the idler pullies in the provided pics and they seem different from mine.
no they are the same, the vct just has a spring. The spring assembly makes it look bigger, they have the same pitch as the non vct motor.
Originally posted by linuxglobal:
no they are the same, the vct just has a spring. The spring assembly makes it look bigger, they have the same pitch as the non vct motor.




Not the cam sprockets, the Belt idler pullies...
yes they are different.

The haynes manual i have shows them differently. The orientation along with the design varies. I believe the tensioner is larger and is not as adjustable as the vct one. I for one would rather have the non vct engine. Thats why its non vtec honda civic from now on.

Im getting the honda civic over this crap, too much to worry about and high maintenance costs
with a loss at the end of the day. Plus no resale value, ford should shape up a bit and make better cars.
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