Finally Cleaned Up UIM/LIM

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-VIII:
Did you leave the Tb on the upper while cleaning it...

I would of personly took it off to clean the back of it.

That was cleaned also and new gasket installed.

i wish i had the know-how to do this, id be afraid of running stuff (ie injecterors and whatnot) Ill just stick to the can of Berrymans.

Originally posted by Tourige:
i wish i had the know-how to do this, id be afraid of running stuff (ie injecterors and whatnot) Ill just stick to the can of Berrymans.

Won't do crap. Yeah, the car might smoke and spit out tons of junk, but take the manifolds apart and they will look just about the same as they did before cleaning them.

Congrats... glad to hear the wires were sorted out. Hope the how-to aided in some way.

Enjoy your newfound power, and mileage.

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
my car will be turing 10 years young this december..

A SVT built in December '96? Man thats early mr #9.

thanks guys, I dont think I'll drive it untill i have teh UIM vacuum hose..but whenever I start the car, shes nice and smooth

so far SZ is looking good

Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
my car will be turing 10 years young this december..

A SVT built in December '96? Man thats early mr #9.

Im sorry i meant november..lol even earlier

Looks good.

I wish I had taken pics of a local guy's pre-98 w/ 150k miles that had never been cleaned. THAT was nasty.

Best tip for cleaning - a warm engine. The carbon buildup comes off so much easier.

Originally posted by GTO Pete:

Best tip for cleaning - a warm engine. The carbon buildup comes off so much easier.

yea mine had been sitting in my garage for 2 days..warm engine would also be a pain because everything will be hott when touching

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by GTO Pete:

Best tip for cleaning - a warm engine. The carbon buildup comes off so much easier.

yea mine had been sitting in my garage for 2 days..warm engine would also be a pain because everything will be hott when touching

Open hood.
Start car.
Turn off engine when UIM becomes warm (not hot dummy

).
Remove.

lol

my UIM almost never gets warm....most of the time it is fairly cool to the touch. Wierd.

Originally posted by CSVT1214:

Originally posted by Tourige:
i wish i had the know-how to do this, id be afraid of running stuff (ie injecterors and whatnot) Ill just stick to the can of Berrymans.

Won't do crap. Yeah, the car might smoke and spit out tons of junk, but take the manifolds apart and they will look just about the same as they did before cleaning them.

Wrong, ive done it before, before there was MAJOR hesitation when the secondaries opened, but after doing it the car seems to run WAY better, im sure it could be cleaner more with the re-build but im just scared of ruining some stuff, stuff that dosent come cheap

Originally posted by Tourige:

Originally posted by CSVT1214:

Originally posted by Tourige:
i wish i had the know-how to do this, id be afraid of running stuff (ie injecterors and whatnot) Ill just stick to the can of Berrymans.

Won't do crap. Yeah, the car might smoke and spit out tons of junk, but take the manifolds apart and they will look just about the same as they did before cleaning them.

Wrong, ive done it before, before there was MAJOR hesitation when the secondaries opened, but after doing it the car seems to run WAY better, im sure it could be cleaner more with the re-build but im just scared of ruining some stuff, stuff that dosent come cheap

its really not that bad as you think..I was paranoid the whole time but once you get to it, its really jsut a learning process about your engine..its totally worth it cleaning all that crap by your hand and actually seeing it as clean as its posted in the above pictures..

Originally posted by Tourige:

Originally posted by CSVT1214:

Originally posted by Tourige:
i wish i had the know-how to do this, id be afraid of running stuff (ie injecterors and whatnot) Ill just stick to the can of Berrymans.

Won't do crap. Yeah, the car might smoke and spit out tons of junk, but take the manifolds apart and they will look just about the same as they did before cleaning them.

Wrong, ive done it before, before there was MAJOR hesitation when the secondaries opened, but after doing it the car seems to run WAY better, im sure it could be cleaner more with the re-build but im just scared of ruining some stuff, stuff that dosent come cheap

Wrong, I did 2 cans of berryman's b12 chemtool through the intake manifolds when I purchased my svt. It looked like

. I tore the UIM/LIM down with the help of a few local CEG'ers and the car preformed so much better with the full teardown. As much as you say you get a preformance increase with the non-teardown method, just think of the jump if you did it correctly?

it has been covered before it is best to tear everything down and clean the UIM and LIM, then at a interval that you set you can run the Berrymans through the intake by the vacuum lines to help keep things clean. Also a oil seperator is also going to help alot too

hmmm, any reason why i couldent make this weekend project and do it myself? I have some know-how and ive done a few things on my car (TB optimize, redid brakes etc) This would be BY far the hardest thing ive done.

Originally posted by Tourige:
hmmm, any reason why i couldent make this weekend project and do it myself? I have some know-how and ive done a few things on my car (TB optimize, redid brakes etc) This would be BY far the hardest thing ive done.

don't see why not, I went over the how-to and it is pretty straight forward, saw it done once also, it isn't that bad, just take your time

It's a little more involved than a brake job, but nothing you can't do on your own. if anything, just start it early in the morning to give yourself the whole day to work on things, and let the intake manifolds soak. Get yourself a TON of shop towels, some Valvoline carb cleaner, and all of your gaskets. Just be patient taking the intake manifolds off if you've never done it. Definitely refer to the how-to if you get stuck.

Mark

Originally posted by Tourige:
hmmm, any reason why i couldent make this weekend project and do it myself? I have some know-how and ive done a few things on my car (TB optimize, redid brakes etc) This would be BY far the hardest thing ive done.

Its really not that hard...just time consuming. Take everything off slowly and lay it out in order. If something won't come off easily, don't force it. Stop and think about why it isn't coming off. Do a search and review the past 6 months CEG postings on UIM/LIM cleans. Lotsa good tips in there. The re-tourque everything properly.

Also, while your UIM/LIM is off, may be a good time to replace plugs and O2s.

goonz..if your uim/lim looked that bad your heads/valves are no way shape or form clean...you should've taken a small flashlight and looked deep into the heads,i bet the valves were all gunked up....you've seen how ryan took care of his car/engine,when i pulled that engine you should've seen the buildup on top of the valves..it looked just like the adv. pics you see in parts stores for intake cleaners,nasty,but thats just me
...also it really isnt time consuming unless your pulling the lim,in which case you need to be careful of the fragile wire harness...you should be able to have all the manifolds pulled off in 10 mins or less

How would you clean the valves?

Originally posted by elraido:
How would you clean the valves?

you dont really....not sure why i wrote that

how about we spary carbon cleaner into the top of them until it comes out of the tops?

would TB cleaner work good on the Carbon build up? Cause they dont sell berrymans here in canada.

I think im gonna do this on the weekend (seeings as how my headers wont be coming in) I JUST changed the plugs and oil like a month ago, no need to change them right?

Originally posted by Tourige:
would TB cleaner work good on the Carbon build up? Cause they dont sell berrymans here in canada.

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

I used 6 cans of this stuff, it worked WONDERS! got it from autozone

Hmmm??

=me

Haha, ok sounds good. Looks like i have a fun weekend project!

Originally posted by Tourige:
=me

Haha, ok sounds good. Looks like i have a fun weekend project!

make sure you do this correctly, or else you'll end up like me

with a broken hose

no worries Haroon, ive done the UIM cleaning with Seafoam before.

I cleaned the valves. I sprayed cleaner on the ones that were closed, scrubbed, and then sucked up the crud. Then I cranked the engine and did the two that had been open before. I got a LOT off of them.

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
I cleaned the valves. I sprayed cleaner on the ones that were closed, scrubbed, and then sucked up the crud. Then I cranked the engine and did the two that had been open before. I got a LOT off of them.

thats the catch, you need to keep the crap from getting into the engine

Tourique,

If you want detailed pics plus how to do the Oil Seperator Install, check out the link in my signature. I hope it helps.

Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Looks good.

I wish I had taken pics of a local guy's pre-98 w/ 150k miles that had never been cleaned. THAT was nasty.

Well Pete if you missed that, here comes the second chance:
My 98 E0, 76K miles, never cleaned UIM/LIM before. To make things worse -- I babied this car so much that I rarely reved over 4000 RPM before I shifted. Guess how the secondary looks now. So if you like, come over and help me with that, and take all the pictures you want. I will have pizza, beer, bulgogi, snacks ready.

So how do you say?

Originally posted by hsoverma:
Tourique,

If you want detailed pics plus how to do the Oil Seperator Install, check out the link in my signature. I hope it helps.

well done How-to

i used a shop vac to get alot of the dirty cleaner back out of the heads when i was cleaning the valves,otherwise it can be a [censored] to start and i throw a misfire once too

after reading the How-to on the main site im just wondering what i REALLY need for this rebuild, i know TB cleaner, UIM gasket, LIM gasket, TB gasket.
But Do i really need:

-Fuel rail to lower intake manifold seals
-EGR gasket
-IAC gasket

Just wondering

Originally posted by Tourige:
...
But Do i really need:...

Yes.

-Fuel rail to lower intake manifold seals - P0171, P0174
-EGR gasket - PP0171, P0174
-IAC gasket - rough idle.

Dang I'm jealous. I really need to do that to mine. Looks like you did a good job. Is there a noticable difference?

Originally posted by Tony2005:

Originally posted by Tourige:
...
But Do i really need:...

Yes.

-Fuel rail to lower intake manifold seals - P0171, P0174
-EGR gasket - PP0171, P0174
-IAC gasket - rough idle.

werd, to the stealership i know, 100 bucks worth of gaskets at least, damn bastages

WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

how does it run

Originally posted by tour96se:

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

how does it run

LOL it doesnt at the moment

broke a UIM vacuum hose, but that should be commin in tommorow thanks again to who else but Bill

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

Canadian money?

$100! I think a set of 4 UIM/LIM gaskets is $38 at Napa. Average is $40. Autozone can get the Felpro ones too. I don't change any other gaskets. Reuse TB/IAC/EGR.

Originally posted by todras:
$100! I think a set of 4 UIM/LIM gaskets is $38 at Napa. Average is $40. Autozone can get the Felpro ones too. I don't change any other gaskets. Reuse TB/IAC/EGR.

Shouldn't it be the other way around about reusing the gaskets? I would think the UIM/LIM gaskets would be more reuseable than the TB/IAC/EGR. Don't those gaskets seal themselves after a little while with heat?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just get all the gaskets. If you havent ever pulled the UIM/LIM/TB/EGR/IAC then the gaskets on the TB/EGR/IAC will likey tear or fall apart. The Felpro gaskets from Autozone are of equal quality to the Ford ones. The Felpro ones also come in a pack of 4 (two LIM, two UIM) so it can make things a tad easier. Equally priced to the discounted Ford ones, plus you can typically get all the gaskets from Autozone in the same day (though they had to order either the IAC or EGR gasket, not sure. Came in by the next day.).

Valvoline carb cleaner works amazingly well for the LIM and TB. It pressure washes the buildup right off, often without even scrubbing. For the UIM you need to get something you can pour in, like Seafoam or Berrymans.

On a related note, WEAR GOGGLES WHEN SPRAYING CARB CLEANER! When I was spraying out the back of the TB, the cleaner shot back at me out of one of the groves (like putting a ladle under the faucet) and went straight into my eye. I thought I was going to be blind, and I dont think Ive ever felt pain like that in my life. I had my open eye under a stream of water for like 10 min, and I could feel it all day

I would have felt like such a tool if it caused permanent damage.

Goonz, this thread has reminded me that I still need to make me a oil seperator. Thanks for the reminder

Originally posted by CSVT1214:

Originally posted by todras:
$100! I think a set of 4 UIM/LIM gaskets is $38 at Napa. Average is $40. Autozone can get the Felpro ones too. I don't change any other gaskets. Reuse TB/IAC/EGR.

Shouldn't it be the other way around about reusing the gaskets? I would think the UIM/LIM gaskets would be more reuseable than the TB/IAC/EGR. Don't those gaskets seal themselves after a little while with heat?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, you're wrong.

With the few cleanings I've done, I've reused the TB/IAC/EGR gaskets, and replaced the intake manifold gaskets once.

Mark

Pssh, dont listen to Mark.

Just get new ones. The only harm it could do is lighten you by maybe $20 and you might actually do some preventative maintenance. Big whoop.

Originally posted by Y2KSVT:

Originally posted by CSVT1214:

Originally posted by todras:
$100! I think a set of 4 UIM/LIM gaskets is $38 at Napa. Average is $40. Autozone can get the Felpro ones too. I don't change any other gaskets. Reuse TB/IAC/EGR.

Shouldn't it be the other way around about reusing the gaskets? I would think the UIM/LIM gaskets would be more reuseable than the TB/IAC/EGR. Don't those gaskets seal themselves after a little while with heat?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, you're wrong. With the few cleanings I've done, I've reused the TB/IAC/EGR gaskets, and replaced the intake manifold gaskets once.

Mark

i'm with mark...i clean my manifolds once every month,(that its on the road) and i've only replaced the upper/lowers once..tb twice and thats it

I know of many people having vac leaks reusing UIM/LIM gaskets when they have some age on them. If you have over 30-40k on the gaskets I'd suggest getting new ones.

Originally posted by todras:
If you have over 30-40k on the gaskets I'd suggest getting new ones.

Personally? +1

Originally posted by tour96se:

i'm with mark...i clean my manifolds once every month,(that its on the road) and i've only replaced the upper/lowers once..tb twice and thats it

Well you have replaced the originals, so the new ones cant be all that old.

If you have never done it, I would highly recommend replacing all of them to avoid any potential leaks (which will throw a CEL).

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

Did you go through Bill J?

Originally posted by mean'tour:

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

Did you go through Bill J?

yea, he did

Originally posted by Tourige:

Originally posted by mean'tour:

Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

Originally posted by Oscar Nominated Ray:
WTH? $100??

Go through Bill J and get the entire thing for WAYYYYYY LESS than that.

I got everything I needed for $66

Did you go through Bill J?

yea, he did

yes I did, this what i said to him

Bill Im gonna be getting this done, I need all the required items like the gaskets, o-rings and what not

$66, great guy to deal with as well

Haroon

i think i'm up next for one of these cleanings i have 75K on my 2000 svt . once upon a time i sprayed a couple of cans of berryman chemtool b12 ? through the vaccum ports on the uim a can in each port. it made a notice able difference but i think a complet tear down is in order to get everything.

i've never done this so can someone please give me some major do's and don'ts thanks. or i can just look at the how-to i guess. searching works wonders